Sorry, I was being functional about whether it can be used, not whether a
marketing person can make some sort of claim ;-)
Opening and "supporting" are two entirely different things. Yes, I can put a
Visio image in the middle of my page. Can I re-arrange items or duplicate
items within the Vi
I found a Remington Rand punched-card accounting template in my
desk when I took my current job:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16585...@n00/5140587986/
Cool, but annoyingly it *doesn't* work as a standard ruler, even
though I keep reaching for it thinking it does.
Claire
ObTopic: +++OmniGraffl
Joseph S D Yao writes:
> I may have. I know I used it for some system documentation, but that
> was back when our network was so complicated, I could represent it with
> the following ASCII art:
>
>
> BRIDGE=
> | | | | | |
I had a look at Kivio (www.thekompany.com) many years ago. It's a
cross-platform (Windows,Mac,Linux) Visio clone. At that time I
abandonned it due to the lack of stock icons, but it looked promising. I
don't know what it's current state it. Unfortunately it doesn't read
Visio files.
Nico
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On 10/17/10 21:48 , Joe Morris wrote:
> How about troff & pic? OK, I never actually did it ;)
I have. I've also done the same in LaTeX. I can't recommend either (IIRC I
found a MacOS program that would do the latter for me). (to be clear: this
was
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Matt Lawrence wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Joe Morris wrote:
>
>> Not so long ago, ge...@sysadmin.com.au wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 08:43:24AM -0400, Tom Limoncelli
>>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At one client, when I was feeling particularly obtuse, I di
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 09:48:50PM -0400, Joe Morris wrote:
...
> How about troff & pic? OK, I never actually did it ;)
...
I may have. I know I used it for some system documentation, but that
was back when our network was so complicated, I could represent it with
the following ASCII art:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 07:43:57AM -0600, Yves Dorfsman wrote:
...
> I disagree with the choice of using MS Word for documentation, but most of my
> customers impose it ; they're happy to buy me a license for Visio (I am often
> brought in to document a system), but won't buy it for all their sys
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010, Joe Morris wrote:
> Not so long ago, ge...@sysadmin.com.au wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 08:43:24AM -0400, Tom Limoncelli
>> wrote:
>>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> At one client, when I was feeling particularly obtuse, I did the
>> network diagram in Excel. Really.
>>
>> That k
Not so long ago, ge...@sysadmin.com.au wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 08:43:24AM -0400, Tom Limoncelli
> wrote:
> >
> ...
>
>
>
> At one client, when I was feeling particularly obtuse, I did the
> network diagram in Excel. Really.
>
> That kept all the network documentation in one place. :
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 08:43:24AM -0400, Tom Limoncelli
wrote:
>
...
At one client, when I was feeling particularly obtuse, I did the
network diagram in Excel. Really.
That kept all the network documentation in one place. :-)
-g.
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Geoff Halprin, Principal Consultant ge...
> "Matt" == Matt Simmons writes:
Matt> So clearly, someone needs to port Cocoa to Linux. What's the 'Wine'
Matt> team up to these days? ;-)
That's the GNUStep, and it's pretty much functional on OSX, Linux,
Windows, and a few other host systems, presuming you can recompile and
link to GNUSte
Brandon S Allbery KF8NH tangented:
> ...does anyone else still use the old-skool IBM flowcharting templates?
http://www.retroist.com/2009/01/11/ibm-flowcharting-template/
I used one for Structured Design drawings in the 80s.
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Yves Dorfsman wrote:
> I disagree with the choice of using MS Word for documentation, but most of
> my
> customers impose it ; they're happy to buy me a license for Visio (I am
> often
> brought in to document a system), but won't buy it for all their sysadmins.
>
So clearly, someone needs to port Cocoa to Linux. What's the 'Wine'
team up to these days? ;-)
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Smift wrote:
> RLS == Randal L Schwartz
>
> RLS> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:17:31 -0700
>
> RLS> It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could
RLS == Randal L Schwartz
RLS> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:17:31 -0700
RLS> It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could port
RLS> parts of it to GNUStep, but they made no attempt at portability.
Indeed, their FAQ at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/support/
says
> "david" == david writes:
david> so how much do we have to bribe them to start making a linux
david> version :-)
It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could port
parts of it to GNUStep, but they made no attempt at portability. After
all, Omni is one of the old-school
I prefer ConceptDraw on Mac.
It is very convenient and their tech support is kind of cool too.
I had one time needed a healthcare/medicine related database
(icon/logo) and they just send me one to use for my project.
That was very nice.
The best part of the ConceptDraw is actually if you have t
On 10/15/2010 6:43 AM, Yves Dorfsman wrote:
> On 10-10-15 05:28 AM, Matt Simmons wrote:
>> There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons,
>> particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram
>> you show off to management.
> Fancy icons look cool, but they need
On 10-10-15 05:28 AM, Matt Simmons wrote:
> There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons,
> particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram
> you show off to management.
>
Fancy icons look cool, but they need a special tool. If a company is not ready
to buy
Kind of like BC and "Clams got legs".
It takes a huge amount of effort to evolve beyond the status quo.
If you've got something nobody else has got, you are better off
than you were or they are.
Tom Limoncelli made the following keystrokes:
>
>
>At a very shop I drew our network diagram on
At a very shop I drew our network diagram on the whiteboard with 4
colors, took a picture of it, and put it on the wiki along with a
description of what the colors and symbols meant. It wasn't much, but
it was better than what had been done in the past: if you need to
know, log into the routers
There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons,
particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram
you show off to management.
I really do find myself using blank squares or, if I want to give
myself a particular treat, 3d boxes. They have the benefit of being
bl
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 05:21:06PM -0400, Matt Simmons spake thusly:
> If you're on Linux, honestly, dia is a good effort, but falls short.
I do all of my work on Linux. I have been using dia but the results are far
from fancy. It works to get the idea across though. I find fancy templates to
be o
Best of luck with that. If they start to cave, drop me a line and I'll
sweeten the pot
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:15 PM, wrote:
> so how much do we have to bribe them to start making a linux version :-)
>
> David Lang
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Jonathan Nicol wrote:
>
>> http://www.omnigroup.com/pr
so how much do we have to bribe them to start making a linux version :-)
David Lang
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Jonathan Nicol wrote:
> http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/features/ says
> "You can now open Microsoft Visio (VSD) files directly in OmniGraffle,
> along with Visio stencils (VSS)
On 10/14/2010 4:36 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
> Um, no. It supports Visio XML output files, but cannot read proprietary
> format VSD files. It depends on how old your version of Visio is.
>
> --Jo (who is very happy with and uses OmniGraffle daily)
>
> On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Jonathan Nicol wrote
http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/features/ says
"You can now open Microsoft Visio (VSD) files directly in OmniGraffle,
along with Visio stencils (VSS) and Visio templates (VST)."
AFAIK you can't save in VSD.
Jonathan
On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
> Um, no. It s
Um, no. It supports Visio XML output files, but cannot read proprietary format
VSD files. It depends on how old your version of Visio is.
--Jo (who is very happy with and uses OmniGraffle daily)
On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Jonathan Nicol wrote:
> OmniGraffle Pro supports Visio vsd files, and
OmniGraffle Pro supports Visio vsd files, and can import Visio
stencils (my favorite part!)
Jonathan
On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Shrdlu wrote:
> On 10/14/2010 2:46 PM, Atom Powers wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Healy wrote:
>>> Current candidates include:
>
>>> - OmniGraf
Concept draw can export as, among other things:
HTML, PDF, MS PowerPoint, Flash, PostScript, XML for Visio
It can not open VSD files but can open VDX files.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Shrdlu wrote:
> On 10/14/2010 2:46 PM, Atom Powers wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Healy
On 10/14/2010 2:46 PM, Atom Powers wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Healy wrote:
>> Current candidates include:
>> - OmniGraffle (mac-only, so platform support is excellent)
>> - ConceptDraw NetDiagrammer (mac and windows versions available)
> I'll give my shout-out to Concept
Not so long ago, jhe...@logn.net wrote:
> Current candidates include:
>
> - OmniGraffle (mac-only, so platform support is excellent)
> - ConceptDraw NetDiagrammer (mac and windows versions available)
> - Dia (open-source and easily installed via MacPorts)
> - yEd (pure java)
>
> Anyone have a
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Healy wrote:
> Current candidates include:
>
> - OmniGraffle (mac-only, so platform support is excellent)
> - ConceptDraw NetDiagrammer (mac and windows versions available)
> - Dia (open-source and easily installed via MacPorts)
> - yEd (pure java)
>
> An
> Current candidates include:
>
> - OmniGraffle (mac-only, so platform support is excellent)
I like OmniGraffle. You can get additional stencils from Graffletopia
at http://graffletopia.com/
M
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Another vote for Omnigraffle Pro. But I really came here to say that
Omnigraffle for iPad is worth a look. Even if it's just for fun. I don't
have an iPad but I played with Omnigraffle on one at an Apple store and
found it to be very cool.
And then, Angry Birds. :-)
Matt
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> From: "Matt Simmons"
>
> If you're on Linux, honestly, dia is a good effort, but falls short.
> I'd recommend using one of the online tools like Gliffy.
>
I would second that, and we have an extensive Gliffy library, however other
HTML5 based products are starti
Absolutely. If you're on a Mac, the answer is Omnigraffle, and there's
nothing on any platform that can compete.
If you're on Linux, honestly, dia is a good effort, but falls short.
I'd recommend using one of the online tools like Gliffy.
--Matt
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Brent Chapman w
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jason Healy wrote:
> We're getting ready for a major network overhaul, and as part of that
> process I'll be updating the documentation for our network. This will range
> from logical network diagrams all the way down to building layouts showing
> jack locations.
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