Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Gilbert Wilson
> On Feb 10, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Derek J. Balling wrote: > > Signed PGP part > > > On 2/10/2015 1:01 PM, Gilbert Wilson wrote: > > Selling it as a membership based organization that has benefits is, > > and always has been, based on the promise of some sort of undefined > > future return. It’s

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Matt Disney
Well sorta. That's only because the conservative posture we've taken due to financial risk. The idea is to spend more on program than operations/admin. Uhhh maybe that's the wrong choice of words for an audience of sysadmins but hopefully you know what I mean. :-) Anyway you'll see that change

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Yves Dorfsman
On 2015-02-10 14:46, Steve VanDevender wrote: > Craig Constantine writes: > > just to save everyone the trouble... > > > > I just glanced through the recent meeting minutes over on > > Governance. (which is very handy!) But I don't see any particular > > finance-type reports that would answer

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Craig Constantine
bam! That answers my level of curiousity. Thanks Matt, -- Craig Constantine, http://constantine.name On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Matt Disney wrote: Annually: Dues constitute about $40K income. Fixed expenses are about $10K. Then we have various program expenses including communications, pro

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Matt Disney
Annually: Dues constitute about $40K income. Fixed expenses are about $10K. Then we have various program expenses including communications, promotion/marketing, WiAC stipend sponsorship, mentorship, etc. LISA is our biggest conference and we spend less than $3K there, but we also have great support

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Steve VanDevender
Craig Constantine writes: >i was looking for a general view of expenses. > >that's what Brandon mentioned in the email i was replying to. > >-- Craig Constantine, [1]http://constantine.name A couple of subsequent slides have income and expenses pie charts showing proportions, bu

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Matt Disney wrote: As I was typing this, Steve chimed in (thanks!). Also, I'm currently working up the 2014 actuals so we can use that in nailing down the 2015 programs and budget. Mid-year 2014, we resolved debt that had been hangin

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Matt Disney wrote: As I was typing this, Steve chimed in (thanks!). Also, I'm currently working up the 2014 actuals so we can use that in nailing down the 2015 programs and budget. Mid-year 2014, we resolved debt that had been hanging over the organization for some time. Si

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Matt Disney
As I was typing this, Steve chimed in (thanks!). Also, I'm currently working up the 2014 actuals so we can use that in nailing down the 2015 programs and budget. Mid-year 2014, we resolved debt that had been hanging over the organization for some time. Since then, we've had normal operational liab

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread john boris
I believe Craig was looking for a break down of sponsorship money to dues. Not sure if that was in there. On Tuesday, February 10, 2015, Steve VanDevender < ste...@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu> wrote: > Craig Constantine writes: > > just to save everyone the trouble... > > > > I just glanced thro

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Steve VanDevender
Craig Constantine writes: > just to save everyone the trouble... > > I just glanced through the recent meeting minutes over on > Governance. (which is very handy!) But I don't see any particular > finance-type reports that would answer this question. > > Maybe Matt Disney will chime in? M

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. Sponsorship, really the tip of the iceberg

2015-02-10 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Daniel Gilmartin wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 >... > If all regional events were to be held in the same hotels as the larger > events - it would be very beneficial. Otherwise unless Usenix has full time > event management staff to h

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Craig Constantine
just to save everyone the trouble... I just glanced through the recent meeting minutes over on Governance. (which is very handy!) But I don't see any particular finance-type reports that would answer this question. Maybe Matt Disney will chime in? Matt? -- Craig Constantine, http://constantin

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Derek J. Balling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2/10/2015 1:01 PM, Gilbert Wilson wrote: > Selling it as a membership based organization that has benefits is, > and always has been, based on the promise of some sort of undefined > future return. It’s a very hard sell. Relabelling membership a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Yves Dorfsman
On 2015-02-09 18:13, Craig Constantine wrote: > On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote: > > There are other benefits now, but in general LOPSA has been until very > recently still recovering financially and operationally from the Late > Unpleasantness involving USENIX. Interesting.

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. SponsorshipWho pays your dues (was Re: Membership vs. Sponsorship)

2015-02-10 Thread Gilbert Wilson
I don’t think “giving up the rope” is a fair conclusion. This is an unfinished draft idea that the board is considering for future direction. I think it’s important for the current membership to provide some positive feedback about what we would like to see if the board were to take this idea an