Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread unix_fan
Brandon S Allbery KF8NH tangented: > ...does anyone else still use the old-skool IBM flowcharting templates? http://www.retroist.com/2009/01/11/ibm-flowcharting-template/ I used one for Structured Design drawings in the 80s. ___ Discuss mailing list

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Brandon S Allbery KF8NH
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ...does anyone else still use the old-skool IBM flowcharting templates? - -- brandon s. allbery [linux,solaris,freebsd,perl] allb...@kf8nh.com system administrator [openafs,heimdal,too many hats] allb...@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Brent Chapman
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Yves Dorfsman wrote: > I disagree with the choice of using MS Word for documentation, but most of > my > customers impose it ; they're happy to buy me a license for Visio (I am > often > brought in to document a system), but won't buy it for all their sysadmins. >

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Matt Simmons
So clearly, someone needs to port Cocoa to Linux. What's the 'Wine' team up to these days? ;-) On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Smift wrote: > RLS == Randal L Schwartz > > RLS> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:17:31 -0700 > > RLS> It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Josh Smift
RLS == Randal L Schwartz RLS> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:17:31 -0700 RLS> It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could port RLS> parts of it to GNUStep, but they made no attempt at portability. Indeed, their FAQ at http://www.omnigroup.com/products/omnigraffle/support/ says

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "david" == david writes: david> so how much do we have to bribe them to start making a linux david> version :-) It's a seriously Cocoa app inside, I'm told. I suppose you could port parts of it to GNUStep, but they made no attempt at portability. After all, Omni is one of the old-school

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Liyun Yu
I prefer ConceptDraw on Mac. It is very convenient and their tech support is kind of cool too. I had one time needed a healthcare/medicine related database (icon/logo) and they just send me one to use for my project. That was very nice. The best part of the ConceptDraw is actually if you have t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Shrdlu
On 10/15/2010 6:43 AM, Yves Dorfsman wrote: > On 10-10-15 05:28 AM, Matt Simmons wrote: >> There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons, >> particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram >> you show off to management. > Fancy icons look cool, but they need

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Yves Dorfsman
On 10-10-15 05:28 AM, Matt Simmons wrote: > There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons, > particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram > you show off to management. > Fancy icons look cool, but they need a special tool. If a company is not ready to buy

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread rackow
Kind of like BC and "Clams got legs". It takes a huge amount of effort to evolve beyond the status quo. If you've got something nobody else has got, you are better off than you were or they are. Tom Limoncelli made the following keystrokes: > > >At a very shop I drew our network diagram on

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Tom Limoncelli
At a very shop I drew our network diagram on the whiteboard with 4 colors, took a picture of it, and put it on the wiki along with a description of what the colors and symbols meant. It wasn't much, but it was better than what had been done in the past: if you need to know, log into the routers

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread Matt Simmons
There's certainly a lot to be said for not having fancy icons, particularly in a "working" diagram, as opposed to the "fancy" diagram you show off to management. I really do find myself using blank squares or, if I want to give myself a particular treat, 3d boxes. They have the benefit of being bl