[Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
Ok, so this is more of a rant than anything. After several years of using Debian at work (Debian 9 stretch), and after my LTS version of Linux Mint at home stopped receiving updates, I decided to upgrade it to Debian 10 buster. I have to say that this is the worst desktop linux OS I've ever used. I

Re: [Discuss] Secondary DNS server

2020-06-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Jerry Feldman wrote: > Last year, the guy who was providing a secondary DNS server for us decided > not to do it any more.. Since we essentially have zero income, we are > looking for someone who can donate it. If not, we can find a low cost > service. > We provide primary DNS for the BLU plus a f

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Grant Mongardi wrote: > Ok, so this is more of a rant than anything. After several years of using > Debian at work (Debian 9 stretch), and after my LTS version of Linux Mint > at home stopped receiving updates, I decided to upgrade it to Debian 10 > buster. I have to say that this is the worst des

Re: [Discuss] Secondary DNS server

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
Thanks Dan -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7 PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1 3050 5715 B88D 6F6 B B6E7 On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 8:38 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Jerry Feldman wrote: > > Last year, the guy who was providing a secondary DNS serv

Re: [Discuss] Secondary DNS server

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
I would like to thank everyone who responded. -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org PGP key id: 6F6BB6E7 PGP Key fingerprint: 0EDC 2FF5 53A6 8EED 84D1 3050 5715 B88D 6F6 B B6E7 On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 8:38 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Jerry Feldman wrote: > > Last year, the guy who

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
> Tell us what you actually did, please For the reboot I went to "Applications->System Tools->Software Install" and selected the "Updates" tab, It showed only the Firefox update so I installed it. It did say "Install and Restart" but I assumed it just meant restart Firefox. I was wrong. > Oh, you'

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Grant Mongardi wrote: > > Tell us what you actually did, please > For the reboot I went to "Applications->System Tools->Software Install" and > selected the "Updates" tab, It showed only the Firefox update so I > installed it. It did say "Install and Restart" but I assumed it just meant > restart

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
All of this is fine, except the last part. The installer doesn't offer you a list of desktops to install, it just installs GNOME by default, so I would call that "tied to the desktop". And given that Cinnamon was the default desktop for the prior release I'm not sure why you would make that drastic

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 07:49:32 -0400 Grant Mongardi wrote: > 1. Software Update reboots the computer - seriously, it just rebooted > my computer to install a Firefox update! Who does that? Not Debian? I've been running Debian 10 on my home server for going on a year. Only times it needs to reboot a

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Grant Mongardi wrote: > All of this is fine, except the last part. The installer doesn't offer you > a list of desktops to install, it just installs GNOME by default, so I You chose the "do it all for me" option. And despite previously running Debian, you installed a new version from scratch? Wh

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:54:04 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: > And despite previously running Debian, you installed a new Point: Grant had been running an outdated version of Mint. > If it's not their first time, they have preferences, like > cinnamon or xfce or lxde or i3 or "please don't install any

[Discuss] Netgear ReadyShare

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Natowitz
I've submitted this twice without seeing it posted.  Perhaps I should have been more specific, the Netgear V6300V2 router is Linux based, so this is a Linux compatibility issue. I have a Netgear V6300V2 router that I am trying to use a small file server in addition to as Wifi router.  The pro

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Bill Ricker
Debian is a good Server distro and a good _base_ to build a desktop distro. I would not consider it a desktop distro. Stock Debian with all defaults as a desktop? Unlikely to be enjoyable without a lot of customizing. I did use stock Debian as a desktop distro once, but it was on a DEC ALPHA work

Re: [Discuss] Netgear ReadyShare

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
Jerry, First, we have seen this post. Sometimes you won't see your own posts. Go to the archives http://blu.org/pipermail/discuss/2020-June/thread.html So as I understand it you are writing to a flash drive connected to the router. Could it be that the flash drive was removed before the file was f

Re: [Discuss] Netgear ReadyShare

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Natowitz
Jerry, Thanks.  I always thought that there was a moderator who had to approve the posting. I don't think it is a timing issue, the flash stick remains in the router.  There is one other point that I forgot to mention. In order to mount the share on Linux, I need the following mount command:

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
So just as a generic reply,as this seems upsetting to you, but I chose the defaults because the defaults were perfectly fine on my other stretch install. It was completely usable out of the box. Having to go through and reconfigure from the defaults is a huge burden on my time. If you have a ton of

Re: [Discuss] Netgear ReadyShare

2020-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:53:54 -0400 Jerry Natowitz wrote: > I've submitted this twice without seeing it posted.  Perhaps I should > have been more specific, the Netgear V6300V2 router is Linux based, > so this is a Linux compatibility issue. We've seen your posts. The silence indicates we don't k

Re: [Discuss] Netgear ReadyShare

2020-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
If I had to moderate all posts, I would be busy all day :-) On Linux, the buffers are flushed periodically, and if you unmount, the buffers are flushed immediately if any are still busy. I'm not sure how windows handles flash drives, but it always warns you to press safely remove. I'm thinking that

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
Well, it was in fact Debian Stretch that used Cinnamon as the default desktop. That's sort of the point I was making. I don't know why you would so dramatically change that experience. And GNOME in this particular iteration is not very good at all, not even as good as older versions I've used. Hell

Re: [Discuss] [EXT] Re: Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
You installed a new major version, and you don't understand why there were major changes. Just like moving from Windows 7 to Windows 8 or 10, there will be changes in the user experience--mostly intentional changes that are deemed to enhance the user experience, but that can be subjective. On Thu

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Grant Mongardi wrote: > Well, it was in fact Debian Stretch that used Cinnamon as the default > desktop. Actually... no. I checked. Stretch had GNOME 3.22 as the default. Google it for yourself, if you don't believe me. Somebody in this thread mentioned that you weren't actually using Stretch, y

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Grant Mongardi
No, _this_ machine was Linux Mint (the one I updated). The one I use at work is Debian Stretch (v9) which is using Cinnamon, by default. I have used the DVD I originally downloaded and installed it on 2 other VMs at work, and although there are some features I installed afterwards it is basically t

Re: [Discuss] [EXT] Re: Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Chuck Anderson
You might not agree with the Gnome Shell design, but it was in fact carefully designed, and not intentionally made to have "bad ergonomics": https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeShell/Design On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 02:22:50PM -0400, Grant Mongardi wrote: > No, _this_ machine was Linux Mint (the

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:22:50 -0400 Grant Mongardi wrote: > No, _this_ machine was Linux Mint (the one I updated). The one I use > at work is Debian Stretch (v9) which is using Cinnamon, by default. I No, it didn't. Not by *default*. GNOME is the default deskop environment unless you override it o

Re: [Discuss] Debian Buster is the worst desktop OS

2020-06-04 Thread Bill Ricker
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:58 PM Rich Pieri wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:22:50 -0400 > Grant Mongardi wrote: > > > No, _this_ machine was Linux Mint (the one I updated). The one I use > > at work is Debian Stretch (v9) which is using Cinnamon, by default. I > > No, it didn't. Not by *default*. G