Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 02:04:16 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > >You said there is a correlation even if it's not 1:1. > > > >I said that no such correlation exists. It's a myth. > > I'll need to see the URL to the statistical survey showing that in > order to accept it. I accept, and completely agree,

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Daniel M Gessel
Can anyone recommend an overview document of systemd? A motivations/design kind of thing? Thanks, Dan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@driftwood.blu.org https://driftwood.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:54:32 -0400 Daniel M Gessel wrote: > Can anyone recommend an overview document of systemd? A > motivations/design kind of thing? Lennart Poettering's take: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html -- \m/ (--) \m/ ___

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Ben Kallus
> On the other, do we really need such a thing in order prove that > Daniel J. Bernstein writes better, safer code than Lennart Poettering? No, but we also don't need a double-blind study to show that the average programmer's approach to security is a lot closer to Poettering's than djb's. (I say

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Kent Borg
On 6/4/24 07:07, Rich Pieri wrote: Lennart Poettering's take: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html Very interesting, thank you. Those point out to me that I should have more sympathy for systemd, they tackled a hard problem Unix's architectu

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Kent Borg
On 6/4/24 09:59, Kent Borg wrote: -kb, the Kent who doesn't know what a good solution would have been. Maybe the right approach was to not touch the init system at all, and instead finish all that D-Bus work to rationalize dynamic dependencies. Would that work? And maybe that means submitti

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Jerry Feldman
I've been watching this with interest. Back around 1980 I designed a Unix equivalent to SysV init at Raytheon data systems because system v was not available at the time. While systemd has its issues, using SysV init to schedule start up dependencies is difficult. Any it's slow because it is based

Re: [Discuss] Debian 12 in the Cloud

2024-06-04 Thread Rich Pieri
On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 09:59:25 -0700 Kent Borg wrote: > On 6/4/24 07:07, Rich Pieri wrote: > > Lennart Poettering's take: > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html > > Very interesting, thank you. Those point out to me that I should have > mo