Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:21:08AM +, Sveinn í Felli wrote: > It's quite surreal to see some power users/developers not seeing or > refusing to see that the whole concept of the software in question > IS a big metaphor: Office. Wrong, I do see it. > And its users are using GUIs and other

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:50:59AM -0600, Sonic4Spuds wrote: > This is not the case, many people on debian based systems are new to > linux. Linux Mint and Ubuntu both use debian as their base. These And those still have to know basics. Even totally nonsensical beginner documents I find printed i

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 November 2010 17:28, Nathan wrote: > On 11/23/2010 11:57 AM, plino wrote: > >> >> I do agree that volunteer-friendly user support is the key for the success >> of >> any Open Source project. >> >> However, in my opinion e-mail and mailing lists are obsolete and >> ineffective >> tools. >> >

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 November 2010 18:14, T. J. Brumfield wrote: > There are open software stacks with various CMS tools where you can combine > wiki, blog, forum, and FAQ functionality together. A community site could > have articles on the front end to help demonstate features, provide > tutorials, expose new

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote: > And their quality is bad. Mentioning Ubuntu as an example here disqualifies > you already. In Your Humble Opinion. Again please avoid attacks on individuals or groups of users. This risks alienating a large group of users. -- Unsubscri

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Only draw back I can think of is potentially broken links. One option to avoid broken links might be linking to the site search tool rather than individual pages, this would ensure all pages can be found even if they are moved, as well as consis

Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-24 Thread Florian Effenberger
What do others think? I still clearly favor the non-poetic version ;) Jesso Murugan wrote on 2010-11-23 05.03: I am from India, and I guess I belong to the 'international' community. We prefer "cannot" too, "can not" is quite awkward. However, I prefer the poetic version - "publicly archived for

Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Florian Effenberger wrote (24-11-10 10:49) What do others think? I still clearly favor the non-poetic version ;) No preference for me. Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archi

Re: [tdf-discuss] Content of Beta3 Windows Install-Packages

2010-11-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Thorsten Behrens wrote: > Christian Lohmaier wrote: > > Brazilian version has traditionally (i.e. OOo-times) been a different > > package/has not been called OpenOffice.org in Brazil, but BrOffice due > > to trademark issues. ... > > > Yep - but since BrOffice is a well-established brand, and under

Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-24 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Flo, 2010/11/24 Florian Effenberger : > What do others think? I still clearly favor the non-poetic version ;) I have no real preference. But in my opinion, the "non-poetic" version looks to me more "professional". So I vote for this one. Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discus

[tdf-discuss] Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Thorsten Wilms
Hi! This only saw a little bit of discussion on the marketing list (after the first draft was met with silence here). I like the interpretation, that there is not much to anything objectionable or to add, better than the alternatives, so I went on and placed the newest version on: http://wiki.doc

Re: [tdf-discuss] functionality issues discussions

2010-11-24 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 01:16:53 -0600, Marwan Gedeon wrote: I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose: what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve issues with current Lib

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Robert Derman wrote: > I do know however that ODF > if far more economical of file size than PDF, I have noticed that on > documents that I have written with Writer and then output as PDFs. Jean already clarified this is not the case, but if you need numbers this is the comparison for the Italia

[tdf-discuss] [QA] Libò 3.3b3 - Impress freezes o pening these files

2010-11-24 Thread Carlo Strata
Hi Everyone, I just wanto to poit out an issue that we (Libò 3.3b3, x86-64, linux platform) have in common with the upcoming new vanilla version (3.3.0rc6). What a new nice time to collaborate and underline the convenience to be one rather than two???!!! This is the vanilla issue http://www

[tdf-discuss] Re: Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendlyuser support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Harold Fuchs
"Robert Derman" wrote in message news:4cec9cb9.10...@pressenter.com... Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 23/11/10 23:01, Robert Derman a écrit : I just have to respond to this, I hate forums or anything else that required the use of PASSWORDS!!! I already have 10 times too many passwords to r

Re: [tdf-discuss] changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-24 Thread Andrea Pescetti
Sigrid Carrera wrote: > 2010/11/24 Florian Effenberger : > > What do others think? I still clearly favor the non-poetic version ;) > > I have no real preference. But in my opinion, the "non-poetic" version > looks to me more "professional". So I vote for this one. I will very rarely get to read t

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Valter Mura
In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 17:57:46, jonathon ha scritto: > On 11/22/2010 03:07 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe. > > That would be true if, and only if there was _one_ deb to install, in > which gdeb would by used, not dpkg. > > >Don't tell me an

Re: [steering-discuss] next SC confcall on Sunday

2010-11-24 Thread sophie
Hi all SC members, On 22/11/2010 12:35, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello, thanks for taking part in the poll. The next public Steering Committee Conference Call will take place this Sunday, November 28th, 1500 UTC For your local date and time, see the time zone selector at http://www.do

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Valter Mura
In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 22:28:54, Robert Holtzman ha scritto: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: > > > original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single > > > setup.exe while deb

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 08:02:11 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > Does such a system also prevent false representation, i.e. someone > passing themselves off as another member ? With a userid and password > combo, this is much harder to do, it seems (notwithstanding one's > computer being hacked and

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Valter Mura
In data martedì 23 novembre 2010 10:21:08, Sveinn í Felli ha scritto: > Þann þri 23.nóv 2010 02:17, skrifaði Michael Wheatland: > > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > >>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54P

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-23 12:55 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: > Since the project is moving to Drupal, it makes sense to use Drupal forums > since then there is just one system to manage. Does Drupal Forums allow one to 'subscribe' (get email notifications) to both Main Topics/Sections as well as individual threads?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-11-23 5:01 PM, Robert Derman wrote: > I just have to respond to this, I hate forums or anything else that > required the use of PASSWORDS!!! I already have 10 times too many > passwords to remember or keep track of and I want absolutely NO more. > Frankly I wish the entire computer and so

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Michele Colagrossi
Hi Mr. Derman, each humans hate passwords :) And who does not have a too easy. I recommend PasswordSafe (or similar) from SourceForge.net. This programs help you to manage your passwords. Ciao Am 24.11.2010 13:06, schrieb Charles Marcus: > On 2010-11-23 5:01 PM, Robert Derman wrote: >> I just

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: > Does Drupal Forums allow one to 'subscribe' (get email notifications) to > both Main Topics/Sections as well as individual threads? The Drupal messaging/notification system can provide subscriptions and mail back responses for ANY part of t

Re: [tdf-discuss] First LibO problem - OOo didn't do this...

2010-11-24 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Charles, On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 16:36 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote: > Redacted sample file attached. Which I don't see... Perhaps this list prohibits attachments? Can you send me the file directly? Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to dis

[tdf-discuss] CD/DVD distribution (was: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice)

2010-11-24 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Marc, *, Marc Paré schrieb: > Le 2010-11-23 19:20, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : [...] >> There is already a team working on a downloadable ISO for a DVD >> containing not only the product, but documentation and other >> resources too. >> They started in the Germanophone OOo community as "PrOOo

Re: [tdf-discuss] Content of Beta3 Windows Install-Packages

2010-11-24 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Andrea Pescetti wrote: > but probably they are just symlinks on mirrors, not taking any > additional space. > Indeed. -- Thorsten -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are pu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Marco, *, M. Fioretti schrieb: [..] > as I already said, more than promoting any support mode as the only > one, my proposal is more limited to NOT making useless/embarassing the > email mode. Right now, the only other proposals that come to my mind > to make support as efficient as possible

Re: [tdf-discuss] First LibO problem - OOo didn't do this...

2010-11-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Charles, Charles Marcus wrote (23-11-10 22:36) Ok, first real issue I've had with LibO... I have an old phone system that generates reports in CVS format. OOo always opened these with the number columns formatted as - numbers. LibO is formatting *some* of them as text fields, and when I ch

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-24 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello David, Le Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:42:12 +0800, David Nelson a écrit : > Hi, :-) > > On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 00:52, Charles-H. Schulz > wrote: > > yup. But after Michael's points, I also think we might clarify and > > simplify all this a great deal. In a nutshell > > > > 1) the ESC does not

Re: [steering-discuss] Community bylaws

2010-11-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks wrote (22-11-10 11:50) Hi guys, On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 01:57 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Cor Nouws schrieb: Has been considered that this leads to a situation where each year people have to get used to the tasks, the other board members etc. so that maybe it is a b

[tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Carl Symons
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Hi! > > This only saw a little bit of discussion on the marketing list (after > the first draft was met with silence here). > > I like the interpretation, that there is not much to anything > objectionable or to add, better than the alternat

[tdf-discuss] Re: CD/DVD distribution

2010-11-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-24 08:58, Friedrich Strohmaier a écrit : Hi Marc, *, Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2010-11-23 19:20, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : [...] There is already a team working on a downloadable ISO for a DVD containing not only the product, but documentation and other resources too. They starte

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Peter Morgan
I don't care what its called.. I just want to to open a document so I can view and optionally ammed and even save it.. Simple as that for an enduser point of view. As long as its in the same format x-platform I'm happy I dont really care how its works, I just want an interface thats easy to ins

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 09:27 -0800, Carl Symons wrote: > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" > (c&p'd from Mission). What's needed is a phrase that accurately and > succinctly provides a conceptual container for LibreOffice elements. > Something that connects for us

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: > I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity package"... 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@docum

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi René, Rene Engelhard schrieb: On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:50:59AM -0600, Sonic4Spuds wrote: This is not the case, many people on debian based systems are new to linux. Linux Mint and Ubuntu both use debian as their base. These [...] are some of the best distros for new users, who usually ha

[tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-24 07:38, Michele Colagrossi a écrit : Hi Mr. Derman, each humans hate passwords :) And who does not have a too easy. I recommend PasswordSafe (or similar) from SourceForge.net. This programs help you to manage your passwords. Ciao Am 24.11.2010 13:06, schrieb Charles Marcus: On

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Bernhard, René, Thanks for giving some guidance and explanation here, Bernhard. Bernhard Dippold wrote (24-11-10 21:24) Mentioning Ubuntu as an example here disqualifies you already. Please stop this kind of attitude immediately. Insulting others can't be the way to discuss *any* topic o

Re: [tdf-discuss] Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:30:38PM +0100, Valter Mura wrote: > In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 22:28:54, Robert Holtzman ha scritto: > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote: > > > > original poster is maki

[tdf-discuss] Re: changed footers of all documentfoundation and libreoffice.org mailing lists

2010-11-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-24 06:17, Andrea Pescetti a écrit : Sigrid Carrera wrote: 2010/11/24 Florian Effenberger: What do others think? I still clearly favor the non-poetic version ;) I have no real preference. But in my opinion, the "non-poetic" version looks to me more "professional". So I vote for this

[tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-11-24 16:20, Robert Holtzman a écrit : On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:30:38PM +0100, Valter Mura wrote: In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 22:28:54, Robert Holtzman ha scritto: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/24/2010 12:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity package"... 0.2 cents. David Nelson How about "p

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Robert Derman
..snip. Whether it's user friendly or not depends on the user. If he/she/it is open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly. There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists learning *anything*. That's why: the more user-frie

Re: [tdf-discuss] CD/DVD distribution

2010-11-24 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Marc, *, Marc Paré schrieb: > Le 2010-11-24 08:58, Friedrich Strohmaier a écrit : [.. LibO disk image work setup ..] >> We'll come back here, but as far as I see, we pretty unlikely will >> succeed to manage releasing an international (english) version of >> the first stable LibO in time. [

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread Craig A. Eddy
On 11/24/2010 04:56 PM, Robert Derman wrote: >..snip. > I haven't followed this particular thread very closely, but nevertheless > one thing seems to be appearant, and that is why Linux only has a few > percent of the PC OS market and Windows has the vast majority of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/23/2010 8:07 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Robert et al: Here is the information from Jean Hollis Weber from the documentation team. Jean is one of the senior leads on the documentation team. == Marc, thanks for passing this on. Some factual info regarding the OOo user guid

[tdf-discuss] Language DEB-packs should be uploaded to the repository

2010-11-24 Thread csol...@gmail.com
One of my pet peeves with the LibO repository is that the language packs must be downloaded separately - and to make it worse, LibO will refuse to run until the language pack for my language (Spanish in my case) is downloaded and installed. Wouldn't it be better to upload the packs to the repositor

[tdf-discuss] Re: functionality issues discussions

2010-11-24 Thread NoOp
On 11/23/2010 11:16 PM, Marwan Gedeon wrote: > I'm sorry if asking this here is inappropriate, I couldn't find the > answer in FAQ, neither another mailing list dedicated for that purpose: > what is the proper place/people to resort to, in order to report/resolve > issues with current LibreOffice's

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 11/24/2010 7:00 AM, Michael Wheatland wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: Does Drupal Forums allow one to 'subscribe' (get email notifications) to both Main Topics/Sections as well as individual threads? The Drupal messaging/notification system can provide subscri

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Request: Installation Instructions

2010-11-24 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) I think the issue of difficulty of installing LibO on Linux is not going to last long... I'm sure that as soon as a stable release of LibO is out then Linux distribs are going to add it to their repos, and their software installation tools (such as Ubuntu's Software Center). All the talk

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread Sonic4Spuds
On 11/24/2010 03:47 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: On 11/24/2010 12:27 PM, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:27, Carl Symons wrote: I use LibreOffice, but I don't use an "office productivity solution" I'd prefer "personal productivity software" or "personal productivity packa

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission

2010-11-24 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spuds wrote: > "productivity software for home and office" +2 David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly