Re: Zoom combo box?

2002-04-23 Thread Russell Holt
On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 09:00 PM, Lars Clausen wrote: > Now that we're talking about the bottom of the display, do anybody have > strong feelings about the zoom combobox? It's not currently as > functional > as it could be (Sodipodi gets it right), but it could also just be > replaced

Zoom combo box?

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
Now that we're talking about the bottom of the display, do anybody have strong feelings about the zoom combobox? It's not currently as functional as it could be (Sodipodi gets it right), but it could also just be replaced with a label. Or a button with a pop-up menu like the Zoom menu. It cert

RE: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Young, Robert
> Lars Clausen wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote: > > On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote: > >> > >> If there are any, > >> could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its > >> interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we > >> work towards a 1.

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Tom Sorensen wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >> Behalf Of Lars Clausen >> >> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a >> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you wo

RE: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Tom Sorensen
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Lars Clausen > > Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a > terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't > accidentally lose your work just because

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Cyrille Chepelov wrote: > Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 03:35:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen a écrit: > >> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a >> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't >> accidentally lose your work just be

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:21, Lars Clausen wrote: > > This is not quite true: If you select a tool from one sheet, > then change to another, the indication is wrong. Yet, I think it is obvious the user must be able to know at any time which tool he is using. > Actually, I'm thinking if anythi

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 03:35:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen a écrit: > Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a > terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't > accidentally lose your work just because you don't notice the modified > marker.

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Steve Wampler
Lars Clausen wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dolores Alia de Saravia wrote: > > > > I just want to say that for me is quite important to know if the > > diagram has been saved before closing it: Many times I open a diagram > > and go from changing the diagram to process it once and again. And is

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Cyrille Chepelov
Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 04:07:01PM -0300, Dolores Alia de Saravia a écrit: > May be the present string is too big; but may be the * is too small. You've got a point here. Perhaps an icon (a bit like MS Word's floppy icon (which is also in Borland C++)) should make things obvious, and yet not be

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dolores Alia de Saravia wrote: > > I just want to say that for me is quite important to know if the > diagram has been saved before closing it: Many times I open a diagram > and go from changing the diagram to process it once and again. And is > very important to be sure t

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Dolores Alia de Saravia
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Lars Clausen wrote: > I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !, but I never > thought of removing the whole string. Three randomly sampled GTK programs > (Sodipodi, Gnumeric and Gnucash) don't have any indication of modification > at all. Gedit has "

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:33, Lars Clausen wrote: > > The only thing I *really* want to see in the start-up hints > is mention of the right and middle mouse menus. I've seen > reviews of Gimp complaining about how little you could do > because the reviewer never figured out the right mouse menu

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, James K. Lowden wrote: >> is Search/Find really a function that Dia is likely to add at a later >> state? > > If Dia gets good at managing 100+ objects, find-by-name will become > necessary. The objects don't really have a name (apart from their type) right now. Obviously,

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread James K . Lowden
> is Search/Find really a function that Dia is likely to add at a later > state? If Dia gets good at managing 100+ objects, find-by-name will become necessary. Lars, FWIW, please add one No vote on the start-up hints. Thanks to you, I read Joel's book tonight, which doesn't contain anything e

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote: > On Tuesday 23 April 2002 10:11, Lars Clausen wrote: >> >> I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !, > > I've read the Interface Hall of Shame, as pointed to by > Alan Horkan (http://www.iarchitect.com/shame.htm), and > this is one of th

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 10:11, Lars Clausen wrote: > > I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !, I've read the Interface Hall of Shame, as pointed to by Alan Horkan (http://www.iarchitect.com/shame.htm), and this is one of the things you can learn on this big page. > (...) >

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread rob . campbell
> Now's the question: Is there some more relevant > information to put there? > Currently selected tool? Number of objects selected > (after a select operation)? Something? Visio would be a good place to look for inspiration. I don't have Visio, but I happen to be using a free (as in beer) CA

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Lars Clausen
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote: > On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote: >> >> If there are any, >> could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its >> interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we >> work towards a 1.0 release. > > It's a minor problem,

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 08:44, Alan Horkan wrote: > > > I completely agree. This behaviour is unexpected, and it > > seems to be "destructive". Is there a way to cancel the > > shortcut assignment you just made? > > In gtk while hovering over a menu item press any letter (or > combination) tochan

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Alan Horkan
> I completely agree. This behaviour is unexpected, and it > seems to be "destructive". Is there a way to cancel the > shortcut assignment you just made? In gtk while hovering over a menu item press any letter (or combination) tochange the keybinding, or Del to clear the keybinding Hope that is

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote: > > If there are any, > could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its > interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we > work towards a 1.0 release. It's a minor problem, but it seems to me that "Diagram modified!" is almo

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Adrien Beau
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 07:43, Ben Hetland wrote: > > The Norwegian keyboard also has this "third class" mania... > Some priorities are very strange, for example the so > important @ as AltGr-2, while the ¤ (generic currency?) being > at Shift-4. I never use the latter, anyone know what it's > us

Re: opinions on Dia...

2002-04-23 Thread Ben Hetland
Nuno Afonso wrote: > > i have Dia 0.88 and the only thing that i consider not so good in the > sequence diagram (of UML) is the impossibility of doing 'ifs' (usually > when you do an 'if' it should create a block on the life line block... Is that the "self-delegation" thingy of UML you're refer

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Ben Hetland
Adrien Beau wrote: > > On Monday 22 April 2002 12:36, Lars Clausen wrote: > > > > AZERTY is evil. They require shift to do numbers. I hated > > them the entire time I was in Rennes. > > Actually, putting ~#{}[]|`\^ and @ as "third class" symbols > reachable only with the AltGr key is far wors

Re: Review of Keybindings [Re: Dia's user interface]

2002-04-23 Thread Ben Hetland
Adrien Beau wrote: > > As for your four operations, what about > > Ctrl+S, B (send to very back) > Ctrl+S, F (send to very front) > Ctrl+S, D (send down) > Ctrl+S, U (send up) > > I don't like "send" very much. Hmmm... In my original posting about this, I actua

Re: status, UML fonts

2002-04-23 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
> Try to configure with '--enable-freetype'. There is a problem with resolving > text sizes when they are not rendered trought freetype. Didn't change anything. How do I make sure freetype fonts are used? I'm not even thay are properly installe on my system (SySE-7.3). Thanks Guennadi --

Re: status, UML fonts

2002-04-23 Thread Pawel Rozanski
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:41:52 +0200 (CEST) Guennadi Liakhovetski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, but the box for the class is far too wide - almost double the longest > line, can that be changed? Also, would it be possible to wrap lines? Say, > there might be functions / methods with lots of argu

Re: status, UML fonts

2002-04-23 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
> > 2) When creating a UML class, the font, chosen by dia is VERY large (yes, > > it does first complain about fonts not found...), there was a message > > about these unfound fonts in the mail archive, but the suggested way to > > overcome this problem was not very straightforward (an additional

RE: FAQ update

2002-04-23 Thread Rob Campbell
Although it seems to be GTK+ specific, the fact that you press the down arrow key to begin entering data on a dialog notebook page seems FAQ-worthy to me. A UI section was added to the FAQ recently. Rob Campbell ___ Dia-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: status, UML fonts

2002-04-23 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
> 2) When creating a UML class, the font, chosen by dia is VERY large (yes, > it does first complain about fonts not found...), there was a message > about these unfound fonts in the mail archive, but the suggested way to > overcome this problem was not very straightforward (an additional package

status, UML fonts

2002-04-23 Thread Guennadi Liakhovetski
Hello all As a newcomer to UML / dia, I've got a couple of questions (to start with:-)): 1) From the mail archive and snapshots @ http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots/ it looks like dia is still being developed, maintained, but the last release is pretty old... Does it just mean the usual

Re: Dia's user interface

2002-04-23 Thread Hans Breuer
At 16:43 21.04.02 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote: > >After reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about >user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear if anybody >on the list knows something about user interfaces (more than just from >having used a bunch). If there a

Dia ChangeLog report for Tue Apr 23 07:23:02 2002 (UTC)

2002-04-23 Thread Dia ChangeLog Daemon
Snapshots available at http://www.crans.org/~chepelov/dia/snapshots *** Recent ChangeLog entries: --- ChangeLog.previous Fri Apr 19 09:23:24 2002 +++ dia-cvs-snapshot/ChangeLog Tue Apr 23 09:23:05 2002 @@ -1,3 +1,14 @@ +2002-04-23 Steffen Macke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + + * plug-ins/xfig/xf