Yo Hal!
On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 03:41:53 -0800
Hal Murray wrote:
> > Our scripts are just for developers and for packagers to get a
> > start.
>
> I think we can do a better job of providing the information that a
> packager needs.
No argument there.
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I think we can do a better job of providing the information that a packager
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Yo Royce!
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:50:39 -0900
Royce Williams wrote:
> > Nothing we do says an admin can't "rm /usr/bin/XXX". I often have
> > that in my build scripts. No need to clutter the build options for
> > that.
>
> Bespoke downstream file removal has its place -- but there's a
> brea
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Gary E. Miller wrote:
> Yo Royce!
>
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:38:04 -0900
> Royce Williams wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Gary E. Miller
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yo Achim!
>> >
>> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100
>> > Achim Gratz wrote:
>> >
>> > >
g...@rellim.com said:
> I'm unaware of anything in NTPsec that does things behind anyone's back.
>> Does it start a server? Does it run a cron job? Does it install
>> hooks that some code I do need might call?
> Now I'm really lost. I'm unaware of anything in NTPsec does any of that
> without
Yo Royce!
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:38:04 -0900
Royce Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Gary E. Miller
> wrote:
> >
> > Yo Achim!
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100
> > Achim Gratz wrote:
> >
> > > Gary E. Miller writes:
> > > > Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-to
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Gary E. Miller wrote:
>
> Yo Achim!
>
> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100
> Achim Gratz wrote:
>
> > Gary E. Miller writes:
> > > Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-tools package or option. Many
> > > distros has a X package and a matching X-tools package. We
Yo Achim!
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:21:01 +0100
Achim Gratz wrote:
> Gary E. Miller writes:
> > Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-tools package or option. Many
> > distros has a X package and a matching X-tools package. We could
> > make that easy with a build option.
> >
> > I see the vast maj
Gary E. Miller writes:
> Mark was thinking of a separate ntp-tools package or option. Many
> distros has a X package and a matching X-tools package. We could make
> that easy with a build option.
>
> I see the vast majority of users only using ntpd.
>
> But seriously, do you really need to save U
Mark Atwood :
> > What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard install
>
> Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font renderer,
> or a font pack onto a ssh & text console -only host gets a veto from me.
Reasonable point. I'll leave you guys to argue it o
Yo Hal!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:58:33 -0800
Hal Murray wrote:
> e...@thyrsus.com said:
> > I've forgotten. What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in
> > the standard install?
>
> 1) General clutter for the 99% who won't use it.
Yes.
> 2) It drags in a big pile of stuff, starting
Gary E. Miller :
> Yo Mark!
>
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:25:28 +
> Mark Atwood wrote:
>
> > Call it "therm" or "thermal" then, instead of "heat" or "temperature"?
>
> I can live with ntplogtherm
I like the way you guys are thinking.
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e...@thyrsus.com said:
> I've forgotten. What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the
> standard install?
1) General clutter for the 99% who won't use it.
2) It drags in a big pile of stuff, starting with gnuplot.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:26 PM Gary E. Miller wrote:
> Yo Mark!
>
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:20:57 +
> Mark Atwood wrote:
>
> > > What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard
> > > install
> >
> > Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font
> > ren
Yo Mark!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:25:28 +
Mark Atwood wrote:
> Call it "therm" or "thermal" then, instead of "heat" or "temperature"?
I can live with ntplogtherm
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Yo Mark!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:20:57 +
Mark Atwood wrote:
> > What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard
> > install
>
> Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font
> renderer, or a font pack onto a ssh & text console -only host gets a
> veto fr
Call it "therm" or "thermal" then, instead of "heat" or "temperature"?
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:24 PM Gary E. Miller wrote:
> Yo Mark!
>
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:12:26 +
> Mark Atwood wrote:
>
> > My own preference would be
> > ntploggps
> > ntplogheat
> > ntpmakeheat
> >
> > eg. {prefix}
Yo Mark!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:12:26 +
Mark Atwood wrote:
> My own preference would be
> ntploggps
> ntplogheat
> ntpmakeheat
>
> eg. {prefix}{verb}{thenoun}
I like it.
> "temp" is too overloaded as "temporary".
Yeah, but heat is in Joules or Watts and temperature is in degrees
Celsius
> What's the actual problem with including ntpviz in the standard install
Anything that triggers a surprise dependency to load libx, a font renderer,
or a font pack onto a ssh & text console -only host gets a veto from me.
..m
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:14 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> Hal Murr
Yo Eric!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 17:13:54 -0500
"Eric S. Raymond" wrote:
> > We need to figure out how to handle ntpviz and friends. I think it
> > should NOT be part of the standard install set. At a minimum,
> > there should be an easy way to skip it during install.
>
> I've forgotten. What'
Hal Murray :
> As long as they don't get installed, I don't think the ntp prefix is
> important.
Nevertheless, I think we should maintain namespace discipline even for
the uninstalled stuff. It's not always easy to predict what will *remain*
uninstalled.
>A hyphen after the ntp might make them e
My own preference would be
ntploggps
ntplogheat
ntpmakeheat
eg. {prefix}{verb}{thenoun}
"temp" is too overloaded as "temporary".
Short is not needed, the day of 15 character filenames and typing over a
110bps ASR33 with 500ms of lag are far in the distant past.
But that's just a preference of
Yo Hal!
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:01:35 -0800
Hal Murray wrote:
> >>gps-log -> ntpgpslog
> >> temp-log -> ntptemplog
> >> makeheat -> ntpmakeheat
>
> > That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter if I could, but don't see
> > any obvious way to do that that wouldn't reduce them
>> gps-log -> ntpgpslog
>> temp-log -> ntptemplog
>> makeheat -> ntpmakeheat
> That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter if I could, but don't see any
> obvious way to do that that wouldn't reduce them to garble.
Those names aren't going to be typed by hand very often so I do
Gary E. Miller :
> Yo All!
>
> Eric wants all ntp programs to start with 'ntp' and not have hypens.
>
> So, how about:
>
> gps-log -> ntpgpslog
> temp-log -> ntptemplog
> makeheat -> ntpmakeheat
>
> Suggestions?
That works for me. I'd make 'em shorter if I could, but don
Yo All!
Eric wants all ntp programs to start with 'ntp' and not have hypens.
So, how about:
gps-log -> ntpgpslog
temp-log -> ntptemplog
makeheat -> ntpmakeheat
Suggestions?
RGDS
GARY
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