Re: Raspberry Pi HowTo - dtoverlay change

2016-05-14 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Frank Nicholas : > From this page: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=139732 > > They are changing the way overlays work. There will be old overlays with > “-overlay” as part of the name, and a new dynamic overlay format **without** > the “-overlay” as part of the name

Raspberry Pi HowTo - dtoverlay change

2016-05-14 Thread Frank Nicholas
From this page: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=139732 They are changing the way overlays work. There will be old overlays with “-overlay” as part of the name, and a new dynamic overlay format **without** the “-overlay” as part of the name. The bootloader system is i

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-05-04 Thread Hal Murray
> There is a case like that from GeauxRobot available through Amazon. ... Thanks. That's the one I was thinking about. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-05-03 Thread Clark B. Wierda
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > e...@thyrsus.com said: > > Given the geometry it looks like it will handle a single HAT with the lid > > on, though. > > I've seen one "case" that was 2 sheets of plastic and 4 posts in the > corners. > That left all sorts of room for cables

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-05-03 Thread Hal Murray
e...@thyrsus.com said: > Given the geometry it looks like it will handle a single HAT with the lid > on, though. The Adafruit GPS HAT fits fine with the lid on. I think you can get the antenna cable out through the slot they left for a ribbon cable to hit the 40 pin GPIO connector. But I've

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-05-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > > Hm. Remind me what that case us? I should out it in the draft. > > https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258 > > You should get one to play with. You have to put the Pi in first, then > install the HAT. When installing the Pi, I find it easiest to use a small > screwdriver from

RE: Pi HOWTO

2016-04-27 Thread Dan Poirot
l 27, 2016 7:07 AM To: e...@thyrsus.com Cc: devel@ntpsec.org Subject: Re: Pi HOWTO > Hm. Remind me what that case us? I should out it in the draft. https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258 You should get one to play with. You have to put the Pi in first, then install the HAT. When install

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-04-27 Thread Hal Murray
> Hm. Remind me what that case us? I should out it in the draft. https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258 You should get one to play with. You have to put the Pi in first, then install the HAT. When installing the Pi, I find it easiest to use a small screwdriver from underneath to bend the hoo

Re: Pi HOWTO

2016-04-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > > I think there are two interesting variables: the HAT and the case. There is > a 3rd minor variable of Pi-3 vs Pi-2 vs B+ I've not going to try covering the older variants with the 26-pin header. Gotta draw the line somewhere and that seems like a good place. > I think you shou

Pi HOWTO

2016-04-27 Thread Hal Murray
I think there are two interesting variables: the HAT and the case. There is a 3rd minor variable of Pi-3 vs Pi-2 vs B+ I think you should write up something that works and put the rest of the options in an appendix. (or something like that) You can add a few references to the appendix at th

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-27 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 01:09:22 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Gary E. Miller : > > The Beagle Bone Black guys make a case for their board, which is > > also HAT campatible. I've never tried one. > > I don't think it's HAT-compatible. Power and ground lines look > similar but not id

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > The Beagle Bone Black guys make a case for their board, which is also > HAT campatible. I've never tried one. I don't think it's HAT-compatible. Power and ground lines look similar but not identical. TX/RX are in the wrong places and the BB has two pairs rather than one --

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:59:59 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Hm, that's cheaper than the Adafruit HAT unsoldered. I feel a > revision coming on. The list will get longer. > > Or argue with the guy mentioned above shipping it preassembled. > > Who's in Taiwan, I'm guessing, and ex

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Dan! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:25:52 -0500 "Dan Poirot" wrote: > Wait... So is GEM going to put together a more-better shopping list??? I'm pretty much in agreement with Hal on his shopping list. Some like the Odroid better because it does not have the binary blobs needed for the Pi, but other

RE: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Dan Poirot
@ntpsec.org Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:03:39 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Unless called out here I just merged your changes, > > Gary E. Miller : > > Don't do it! How long did it take to get you to solder??? > >

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Gary E. Miller : > And how many YEARS to get there? Plus you needed to buy a soldering iron, > solder, flux, solder sucker, etc. Nah, I just borrowed Phil's. :-) > Here is a nice HAT presoldered, $31: > > http://www.dx.com/p/add-on-gps-module-gps-hat-module-for-raspberry-pi-2-model-b-b-424254 >

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 17:03:39 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > Unless called out here I just merged your changes, > > Gary E. Miller : > > Don't do it! How long did it take to get you to solder??? > > Once I decided to learn it, all of about 15 minutes from a cold start. And how ma

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Unless called out here I just merged your changes, Gary E. Miller : > Don't do it! How long did it take to get you to solder??? Once I decided to learn it, all of about 15 minutes from a cold start. My instructor allows how I got *good* at it quickly, too; I thank my Swiss-German clockmaker ance

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Hal Murray
dtpoi...@gmail.com said: > I WANT THIS! > Warming up the credit card... My list: $39.95 Pi-3 https://www.adafruit.com/products/3055 $7.95 5V 2.4A Power supply https://www.adafruit.com/products/1995 $7.95 Pi-3 Case https://www.adafruit.com/products/2258 $19.95 MicroSD 1

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Eric! My comments inline. On Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:50:41 -0400 "Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > with RasPi :keywords: Raspberry Pi, odroid, NTP, NTPsec, time service ^^^ Odroid > Beginner-level light soldering is required. Don't do it! How long did it tak

RE: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Dan Poirot
I WANT THIS! Warming up the credit card... - dan -Original Message- From: devel [mailto:devel-boun...@ntpsec.org] On Behalf Of Eric S. Raymond Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:00 AM To: Mark Atwood Cc: devel@ntpsec.org Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress Mark Atwood : > Th

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Mark Atwood : > Thank you Eric. > > Is this document in Git somewhere? Yes, on the Great Beast. Not public yet - I'll throw it on GitLab or somewhere when we get to 1.0. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/";>Eric S. Raymond ___ devel mailing

Re: Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Mark Atwood
Thank you Eric. Is this document in Git somewhere? ..m On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 7:50 AM Eric S. Raymond wrote: > This is turning into quite an epic. But it'll be an extremely useful epic. > > Mark, I'm taking very seriously your plan to broadcast this to makerspaces > - > reorienting the text

Raspberry Pi HOWTO progress

2016-04-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
This is turning into quite an epic. But it'll be an extremely useful epic. Mark, I'm taking very seriously your plan to broadcast this to makerspaces - reorienting the text and vocabulary to people who aren't hard-core Linux experts. Also the parts list is more explicit. Draft 0.3 enclosed, beca