Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Tone Kastlunger
Hi Ronni, indeed it would be great to get a tentative timeframe for the availability of paid apps in Jolla Harbour! Best, tortoisedoc On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Michal Jerz wrote: > Hi Ronni, > > Thank you very much for your reply. The only thing that worries me is how > you wrote: > >

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
If Harbour will have an alternate paying methods such as Paypal and etc. it will be acceptable. On 08.11.2013 03:40, Jonni Rainisto wrote: DRM has nothing to to do with with copy protection. DRM on mobile devices usually means supporting DRM PlayReady (Microsoft) or Widevine L1 L2 L3 L4 (goog

Re: [SailfishDevel] Qt5Svg missing on the x86 SailfishOS image?

2013-11-08 Thread Alessandro Portale
Thanks a lot, Chris, the "Requires" section in the .yaml file was indeed missing an svg entry, so now I added "qt5-qtsvg" which resulted in a "Requires: qt5-qtsvg" entry in the .spec file. But still, RPM dependency resolving failed in the deployment step. sent 134195 bytes received 1189 bytes 9

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Well. As Harmattan havent copy protection at all, developers started creating own methods for detecting if application is *really* bought by user. And it was done using osa binaries. You can always get application source, and if it osa - application installed from Store (means paid applicatioin

Re: [SailfishDevel] Qt5Svg missing on the x86 SailfishOS image?

2013-11-08 Thread christopher . lamb
Hoi Alessandro That is strange. First I did a zypper rm qt5-qtsvg to remove qtsvg from my Emulator. Then I built and run my test app (wiht qt5-qtsvg in the Requires: section of the .yaml /.spec files). I get this: Downloaded PositionSourceTest-0.1-1.i586 Downloaded PositionSourceTest-

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Andreas Enbacka
Hello, Some questions concerning Android application submission to Jolla Harbour: 1) What Android API levels are supported? 2) Are Android applications that utilize Play Services compatible with SailfishOS (e.g., use Android notifications etc.) Thanks, Andreas Enbacka Ahoy all, Today we're

Re: [SailfishDevel] Qt5Svg missing on the x86 SailfishOS image?

2013-11-08 Thread Alessandro Portale
Hi Chris, OK, this was my error: I had used the latest Offline SDK installer, but did not run the available Emulator update. With the latest Emulator image (and the right requirements in .yaml and .spec), everything now runs fine for me. Great! :) Thanks for Your help. Br, Alessandro On Fri, Nov

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Marcin M.
Well, this all anty-piracy campaign is going too far! :) Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. 1. People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose Android/Jailbroken iOS 2. It's becoming a little spy-like to send data from device to th

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Martin Kolman
8.11.2013 16:18, Marcin M.: Well, this all anty-piracy campaign is going too far! :) Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. 1. People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose Android/Jailbroken iOS 2. It's becoming a little spy-lik

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
well. IMEI checkings is bad idea. device id is better. Also its good to have "Beta versions" in Harbour, to allow selected lists of users install beta packages. Similar to WP store feature :) And i'm voting for "Gift!" button in self application options, to allow some user install your applic

Re: [SailfishDevel] Ignoring auto signed SSL certificates

2013-11-08 Thread Tigre-Bleu
Hi, I know all the attention is going to the Jolla Harbour but do you have any idea for me ;) Thanks, Antoine -- Tigre-Bleu mail/jabber: antoine.vac...@tigre-bleu.net - Mail original - De: "Tigre-Bleu" À: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Envoyé: Mercredi 6 Novembre 2013 00:00:52 Objet: [Sa

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Marcin M.
Well, indeed it's better than the hour is spent to provide better apps for Sailfish than to do some freaky copy-protection, finally broken by some talented hacker (If iOS is jailbroken, WAT in Win7 broken, why should Jolla's library avoid that?) ... Or to spend this hour to bring xwayland! ;) --

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Marcin M.
Now-free scheme like in Apple AppStore would certainly diminish the piracy scale - it's a great think and I think it should be available for devs. -- Marcin 2013/11/8 Attila Csipa > On 07-Nov-13 13:42, Michal Jerz wrote: > >> So it's like with door locks. Despite none of them being 100% proof t

[SailfishDevel] Harbor not accessible from Finland

2013-11-08 Thread Tone Kastlunger
Never was so far, bad gateway all the time. anyone else experiencing the same? tortoisedoc ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Attila Csipa
On 07-Nov-13 22:02, Jonni Rainisto wrote: But feel free to give suggestions what kind of API's you would prefer to have as a developer in Harbour to make your life easier. 1. Expose/Tunnel/Replicate Silica to Android Qt apps 2. Expose other half APIs to Android apps That would be pretty much i

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Michal Jerz
> People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't > use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose > Android/Jailbroken iOS The N9 costed $650 and generally wasn't subsidized, so it certainly wasn't a phone for 'poor people'. How could have a person afforded a $650 smartphone but n

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Andrey Kozhevnikov
Maybe Humble Bundle strategy then? Pay as more as you can and then you can get apps you want :) On 09.11.2013 03:48, Michal Jerz wrote: People who won't have money - won't buy. If they can't use the apps, they won't use the system. And choose Android/Jailbroken iOS The N9 costed $650 and gener

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Michal Jerz
> indeed it's better that the hour is spent to provide better > apps for Sailfish than to do some freaky copy-protection, > finally broken by some talented hacker Let's not exaggerate. I don't think that making the copy-protection stuff would be such a permanent and lengthy process that otherwis

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Attila Csipa
On 08-Nov-13 13:48, Michal Jerz wrote: So it is actually a matter of *ALTERNATIVE COST*. Make it sufficiently cumbersome (and possibly also risky) and at least SOME people will find paying $1 simply EASIER and QUICKER than bothering with not so easily installable and potentially risky stuff. Or

Re: [SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Martin Kolman
8.11.2013 23:40, Attila Csipa: On 08-Nov-13 13:48, Michal Jerz wrote: So it is actually a matter of *ALTERNATIVE COST*. Make it sufficiently cumbersome (and possibly also risky) and at least SOME people will find paying $1 simply EASIER and QUICKER than bothering with not so easily installable a

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Michal Jerz
> How about we try to figure out how to make the legal > way Easy and Painless, rather than trying to figure > out how to make software installation/usage (even) > more complex and difficult? I don't see why making the distribution or installation of warez more difficult would NEED to be making

[SailfishDevel] Jolla Harbour and Jolla Store

2013-11-08 Thread Michal Jerz
> On the other hand I guess I would start to care if the > copy protection functionality (if implemented in the end) > limited OS/device functionality I guess that Ronni of Jolla confirmed that it won't, and at this point I have no reasons not to trust him... > leaked sensitive information, etc