Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > I think you're hitting the nail on the head with this question. However, > I'm afraid that the answer depends on the class of user. Some users want to > have their old bugs fixed ASAP and are willing to tolerate some regressions > as long as those

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, James Antill wrote: > > Rpmfusion can run auto QA like tests on rpmfusion and Fedora (I don't > think we can legally do the same ... but I'm not sure). Finding the file > conflicts automatically is harder (you need to download all the rpms), > and it's not fast, but it's pos

Re: Conflicts in latest update

2010-03-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 15:46 -0400, James Antill wrote: >> but it's possible (Seth has a script, IIRC). > > I do believe seth's script works purely from metadata without > downloading the rpms. it gets the headers from the pkgs w/o downloading the whol

Re: Fedora has become fat!

2010-03-22 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Why has Fedora become so fat in the F13 development cycle?      * The LXDE Spin has grown from 464 MB to 509 MB [1] without a        single change in the Spin. There actually was a change,

Re: Fedora has become fat!

2010-03-22 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: >> then you can diff the two more easily. > > I know how to use rpm, but as long as I don't have all the nightlies > there is not much to compare. All I can compare is the F12 spin with the > latest nightly and this wont tell me much about what happe

Re: FC12 update repo broken?

2010-03-29 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 29 Mar 2010, Matt Domsch wrote: > > I do wish yum would be more verbose about _which_ mirror it is using, > which is available as a debug option. That would help folks like me > look for which mirrors might be out of date. But if a mirror is more > than 2 days out of date, yum won't tr

Re: License change: swarp

2010-03-30 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Sergio Pascual wrote: > Hi all: > > the new version of swarp in rawhide (2.17.6) will have a CeCILL > license. Previously, swarp was distributed under GPLv2 Which CeCILL license will it be? -sv -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: What Decides Basearch?

2010-04-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010, Frank Murphy wrote: > I have created a hybrid box for myself. > > Kernel.x86_64 > All else i686 + noarch (no problems encountered) > > bash-4.1$ uname -i (-m) > x86_64 > > How would I get\force it to return i686? > return arch, where? you mean for $basearch? -sv -- devel

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: > I just imported lxpolkit into CVS, but it's not yet build because I > don't want to break anything. > > We now have 3 PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora: > * polkit-gnome > * polkit-kde > * lxpolkit > > As you can see lxpolkit

Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora

2010-04-08 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 8 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: >>> 3. lxpolkit will be pulled in anyway due to the shortest name. >> >> That's not a useful decision rationale. > > I never said it is a useful decision rationale, it's something we cannot > avoid. I agree it's not useful, but please address you

Re: geos soname bump in F-12 updates

2010-04-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Sat, 10 Apr 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/10/2010 03:26 AM, Alex Lancaster wrote: >> >> Broken deps in releases is my number 1 peeve with Fedora and although >> it's been actively worked on now, it's taken a very long time to do so. >> It would be nice if Red Hat put some more engineeri

potentially unmaintained packages

2010-04-13 Thread Seth Vidal
Hi, I worked on a script back in January which produced a list of packages that needed to be looked at. The reason was that the pkg had not been built by koji into dist-rawhide by a non-automated process in more than 6 months. This list is NOT to shame or embarass anyone. It is only to say:

Re: potentially unmaintained packages

2010-04-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 13.04.2010, 17:03 -0400 schrieb Seth Vidal: > >> http://skvidal.fedorapeople.org/misc/potentially-unmaintained/2010-04-13/ > > I see packages_by_user, pkgs_with_bugs and everything. What I woul

Re: potentially unmaintained packages

2010-04-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:03:55 -0400 (EDT), Seth wrote: > >> Hi, >> I worked on a script back in January which produced a list of packages >> that needed to be looked at. The reason was that the pkg had not been >> built by koji into dist-rawhide by

Re: potentially unmaintained packages

2010-04-14 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:01:01 -0700, Adam wrote: > >> It seems to me that Seth quite carefully wrote his email specifically to >> forestall replies of this kind. Apparently it wasn't enough... > > Of course not. The subject says "potentially unmainta

Re: spin kickstart/minimization cleanups

2010-04-21 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: >>> Not sure you can make it seamless without just copy&pasting the >>> entire group (which is a bad idea). within >>> is ignored in comps. >> >> Ah, I just copied the xfce-software-development as it was

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-22 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: > I hope it's just me... > but I was very dismayed to find that today's F13 update (which pulled > in a lot of changes) hosed my laptop. It removed almost everything > from /boot, and removed or emptied /sbin, /bin, /usr/sbin and /usr/bin. > It removed n

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-22 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: >> I hope it's just me... >> but I was very dismayed to find that today's F13 update (which pulled >> in a lot of changes) hosed my laptop. > > I have two 64bit F13 laptops... fully updated with upd

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: > Frank Murphy wrote: >> On 22/04/10 22:01, Jim Meyering wrote: >>> There was only one: history-2010-03-08.sqlite >>> BZ-attached here: >>> >>> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/584997 >> >> Read up on: >> yum-plugin-protect-packages >> >> if your going on autop

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: > Seth Vidal wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: >>> Frank Murphy wrote: >>>> On 22/04/10 22:01, Jim Meyering wrote: >>>>> There was only one: history-2010-03-08.sqlite >>>>> BZ-

Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.

2010-04-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: > I've just realized that I had a list of all packages/versions > that were installed as of a few weeks ago (April 5). > In case it helps: > Yah - the history sqlite file you uploaded has all that info in there (in a round about way) but the problem sti

Re: why do I need colord?

2011-11-08 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:08:49 + Peter Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On 11/8/11 12:09 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > >> 2011/11/8 Richard Hughes: > >>> 2011/11/7 Michał Piotrowski: > Out of curiosity I wanted to ask, why do I need colord on my >

Re: How to find out download URL for a given package through code ?

2011-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:11:08 +0530 Kushal Das wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to find the best suitable way to get download URL for any > given package ? Say, someone wants to find out download URL for > libreoffice-calc-3.3.3.1-1.fc15.x86_64 . The user may not be on a > Fedora 15 box. I saw yu

Re: Fedora clean up process seems to be seriously broken...

2011-11-23 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:54:05 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:24:46 +0100 > Till Maas wrote: > > > But I remember reports that contained similar information. > > Therefore some kind of script must have existed. Maybe it was > > related to some FTBFS reports where someone else r

Re: Self Introduction

2011-11-30 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:25:25 -0600 Troy Dawson wrote: > Hello, > I've been creating rpm packages for Fermi Linux for over 10 years, and > Scientific Linux 8 years, but I never had time to do anything for > Fedora and EPEL. Now that I'm not with Scientific Linux, I've got > the time. I'd like to

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:46:18 +0100 Denis Arnaud wrote: > Hello, > > RedHat-hosted Koji servers offer an invaluable service by allowing > all of us, package maintainers, to build all of "our" Fedora > packages. I guess that that infrastructure is not cost-less for > RedHat and and the quality of s

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:31:27 +0100 Denis Arnaud wrote: > 2011/12/7 seth vidal > > > I've looked into spawning virt instances to do building and it is > > pretty doable. The problem with them being offered by volunteers is > > trust [...] > > > > You ar

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:35:03 -0500 Mo Morsi wrote: > On 12/07/2011 01:25 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > > >> > >> That would be very cool. Do you intend to use DeltaCloud ( > >> http://deltacloud.apache.org/), or something like that? > > I'm using

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:34:57 +0900 夜神 岩男 wrote: > An idea just struck me that may work. > > If the system is made light enough that it is utterly painless for > anyone to contribute processing time then cross-checking of hashes > could be made statistically secure, save for a widespread comprom

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:02:42 -0500 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 12/07/2011 01:25 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > > If I were going to use random vm's I'd want to: > > 1. connect using ssh > > 2. push over my own rpm/python/etc binaries > > 3. checksum al

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 05:35:02 +0900 夜神 岩男 wrote: > On 12/08/2011 05:12 AM, seth vidal wrote: > > Bandwidth is the big concern for the end user here and then the > > other issue is - is all of this worth it for building pkgs? I > > don't think it is, personally, pkg buil

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:25:28 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm not sure we can treat scratch / personal builds with *quite* so > much abandon. They're still valuable targets for anyone trying to > compromise Fedora, after all. I don't think you understand - we need to be able to reliably reprod

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-08 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:25:18 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > > Well, yes, but only because you shifted the entire terms of the thread > without telling anyone else. All of the above - about how the idea was > to build packages with untrusted build dependencies in trustworthy > places - may have b

Re: Package categorization and distribution construction

2012-01-19 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:45:34 + Peter Robinson wrote: > kernel > > dracut > > util-linux > > systemd > > systemd-units > > initscripts > > yum > > selinux-policy-targeted > > policycoreutils > > If anyone wants to see the full tree for any of these: repoquery --requires --recursive --output

[SPAM] Re: Rawhide tree structure

2012-01-20 Thread seth vidal
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:44:54 -0600 Mike Chambers wrote: > Did my eyes deceive me, or do the packages now get separated and put > in their respected dir of their first letter, and not located in one > dir now? Did the tree change or is this an error? > This did happen and it is not an error. I

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:47:09 -0700 Nathanael Noblet wrote: > On 01/24/2012 06:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > I dont think there is a massive user base waiting for a rolling > > release really. Rolling release automatically implies a level of > > disruption periodically everytime a major compone

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:48 +0100, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > Hi, > > Den 09-11-2010 13:37, Brendan Jones skrev: > > > > On 11/09/2010 10:33 PM, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Given a SRPM file and a mock config file, how do I get a list of all > >> missing > >> buildrequires for t

Re: Why should I ever bother filing another bug?

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 08:45 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > So, once more for the cheap seats: *why* do you think closing an older > bug as a dupe of a newer one is a respect issue? What's the big problem > with it? As a devel - I've found that I close bugs as dupes of other bugs and I try to hav

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:25 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:23:22AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: > > At which point, it's too late. Unless Server-y people > > I object strongly to this perception that nobody involved in developing > desktop technologies has any idea what s

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 13:27 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: > > > B/c the perception I get is that only the desktop-oriented folks know > > > what users want or need and the server-oriented folks do not. > > > I think that's in error, too. > > > > In fact,

Re: Mock question

2010-11-09 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 22:29 +0100, Rasmus Ory Nielsen wrote: > Hi Seth, > > Den 09-11-2010 15:05, seth vidal skrev: > >> > Unfortunately yum-builddep doesn't work for me. I need to be able to > >> > change > >> > $releasever and ena

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:34 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > It's not, but we don't really have "personal installs"; any system can > be a desktop, a server, or both at the same time. Agreed - I think the case being described by Jesse, though, is the livecd case. That's what the 'personal install'

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 11:48 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > Bittorrent, network games, zero conf come to mind. > Bittorrent won't work through many/most wireless routers unless they are not natted and/or not explicitly configured. what network games? Heck, what network games do we HAVE? what are

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 14:55 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > seth vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > Bittorrent won't work through many/most wireless routers unless they are > > not natted and/or not explicitly configured. > > > > what network games? &g

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:01 +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 02:56:19PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 14:55 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > seth vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) said: > > > > Bittorrent won't work

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 17:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > And every time I do, I think "there's no reason it needs to be this > hard". All I want to do is make movies on my hard drive visible to my > PS3. Why is this harder than clicking "share"? All I want to do is > plug the NAS drive I just b

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 16:10 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote: > But once we're talking about OVERWHELMINGLY LARGE NUMBER OF SERVER INSTALLS, > aren't we also talking about kickstart and other automated management tools > with which configuring things away from their default values is a standard > a

Re: Firewall

2010-12-06 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:04 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 17:54 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > > > And every time I do, I think "there's no reason it needs to be this > > &

Re: Firewall

2010-12-07 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:10 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 14:56 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > ah, printing. > > > > Is there anything that's not last century? > > > > So you are trying to defend the last-century f

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

2010-12-08 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 13:03 -0500, James Ralston wrote: > Riddle me this. > > We want to provide a server for developers within our organization to > build RPM packages for use within our organization. > > These are our requirements: > > 1. The developers must not be able to leverage the pa

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

2010-12-08 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 13:50 -0500, James Ralston wrote: > On 2010-12-08 at 13:07-05 seth vidal wrote: > > > the mock chroots that koji uses could still be rooted by someone who > > can submit their own build-requirement-providing packages. > > Well, we vet all packag

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

2010-12-08 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:40 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 09:00:51PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > To the original poster: even a VM isn't a completely robust way of > > preventing root escalations. If the developers are all in your > > "organization", how about using

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

2010-12-08 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:02 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 04:50:11PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 22:40 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 09:00:51PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > > &

Re: hosted reproducible package building with multiple developers?

2010-12-10 Thread seth vidal
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 14:02 +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 01:07:32PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 13:03 -0500, James Ralston wrote: > > > Riddle me this. > > > > > > We want to provide a server for d

Re: Safest way to go from x86 to x86_64

2010-12-14 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 14:35 +, Paul Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > On 14 December 2010 14:27, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 02:07:37PM +, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > Is there a safe way to install the x86_64 system over the 32 > bit version

Re: Safest way to go from x86 to x86_64

2010-12-14 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 10:47 -0800, Philip Prindeville wrote: > On 12/14/10 6:46 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 02:35:24PM +, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 14 December 2010 14:27, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 02:07:37PM +000

Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-15 Thread seth vidal
After this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=663340 I realize I'm not remembering to update the EOL date often enough. So, I'm orphaning system-auto-death. If no one steps up to take care of it I'm going to issue an update which disables the cron job. -sv -- devel mailing list

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-15 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 10:11 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:24:40AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > After this bug: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=663340 > > > > I realize I'm not remembering to update the EOL date often en

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-15 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 12:07 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:16:54AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > maybe - but I have no interest in doing so. > > If you want the pkg - you're welcome to do it but it's not useful to me. > > I guess the qu

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-15 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 20:24 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:09:50PM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > I guess the question is: Does *anyone* but me care? > > I suspect not b/c there's only one person reporting that their f13 or > >

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-16 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 22:34 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:59:19PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > I think I'll change the f15 deadline to very-far-in-the-future, and then > > when I invent some spare time, work on some of the other ideas for automatic > > determination

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-16 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 18:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/16/2010 03:18 PM, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 22:34 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:59:19PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > >>> I think I'll change

Re: Orphaning system-auto-death

2010-12-16 Thread seth vidal
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:32 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:24:40AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > After this bug: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=663340 > > > > I realize I'm not remembering to update the EOL date often en

Re: Broken dependencies: rt3

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 11:04 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:32:30 +0100 > Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > This is due to a flaw in the Fedora PKGNAME-owner aliases and using > > them also for EPEL. There are no separate aliases for EPEL package > > ownership. > > > > In pkgdb on

Re: [packager interface suggestion] Adding packages to buildroot directly from updates-testing

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 21:55 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > fre 2010-12-17 klockan 11:22 +0100 skrev Michael Schwendt: > > > +1 to some way of automating koji buildroot overrides (perhaps based > > on FAS group membership such as provenpackagers) in order to remove > > the releng bottleneck. > >

Re: [packager interface suggestion] Adding packages to buildroot directly from updates-testing

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 15:58 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 21:55 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > > fre 2010-12-17 klockan 11:22 +0100 skrev Michael Schwendt: > > > > > +1 to some way of automating koji buildroot overrides (perhaps based > > >

Re: Adding packages to buildroot directly from updates-testing

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 22:01 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > fre 2010-12-17 klockan 11:08 -0700 skrev Kevin Fenzi: > > > For the second point, I'm not sure what the delay time people are > > seeing is. Currently Rex is doing almost all of these overrides. > > Perhaps we could get some more folks t

Re: [packager interface suggestion] Adding packages to buildroot directly from updates-testing

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 22:07 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > mån 2010-12-20 klockan 15:58 -0500 skrev seth vidal: > > > So you want contingency fall-through deps? > > > ie: BuildRequires: foo = 1.1.1 (but if that's not available foo = > > 1.0.0)? > > No, n

Re: [packager interface suggestion] Adding packages to buildroot directly from updates-testing

2010-12-20 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 00:52 +0100, Henrik Nordström wrote: > mån 2010-12-20 klockan 16:15 -0500 skrev seth vidal: > > > So you want to give updates-testing preferential value over updates > > despite their being no e-v-r difference between the pkgs? If so - you > > can do

Re: Firewall

2011-01-06 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:19 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 14:56 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > > > > ah, printing. > > > > Is there anything that's not last century? > > > > So you are trying to defend the last-century f

Re: Question regarding RPM packaging of interactive software.

2011-01-08 Thread seth vidal
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 09:14 -0700, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I can not find much about this. > > What is Fedora's policy regarding RPM packaging of software that needs > user interaction during installation? Is it to be patched and made > non

Re: A tool to list package deps sorted by buildtime?

2011-01-26 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 12:52 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Scenario: > > Assume I have package "foo". It's installed already, and the local RPM > database covers it and all its dependencies. > > App "foo" used to run fine a month ago, but a rebuild no longer does. > Dependencies have been updat

Re: A tool to list package deps sorted by buildtime?

2011-01-26 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 08:36 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 12:52 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Scenario: > > > > Assume I have package "foo". It's installed already, and the local RPM > > database covers it and all its dependenc

Re: A tool to list package deps sorted by buildtime?

2011-01-26 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 08:52 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 08:36 -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 12:52 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Scenario: > > > > > > Assume I have package "foo". It's installed

Re: A tool to list package deps sorted by buildtime?

2011-01-26 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 16:40 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:36:00 -0500, seth wrote: > > > I just want to make sure I have this: > > > > 1. rpm -qR foo > > > > 2. take each of those resolve it out to what provides them > > 3. return the buildtime + pkg name of each of tho

Re: changing email address

2011-02-02 Thread seth vidal
On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 11:29 +0100, Zoltan Kota wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to use an other email account for my fedora related works > (mailing lists, bugzilla, fas, ...). Should I just simply change my email > address in FAS, at Bugzilla, Mailman, git config, and that's all? Or is > there an

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

2011-02-19 Thread seth vidal
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:55 -0300, Domingo Becker wrote: > 2011/2/19 Ben Boeckel : > > drago01 wrote: > >> rpm -Uhv *.rpm > > > > I'd use this as a last resort. Now that yum keeps track of things on its > > own, going behind its back loses things like yum history and other > > nicities. > > > > D

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

2011-02-19 Thread seth vidal
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:26 +, Ben Boeckel wrote: > drago01 wrote: > > rpm -Uhv *.rpm > > I'd use this as a last resort. Now that yum keeps track of things on its > own, going behind its back loses things like yum history and other > nicities. Thank you - yes the above is very true. yum has

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

2011-02-20 Thread seth vidal
On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 12:20 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: > Dne 20.2.2011 06:32, seth vidal napsal(a): > > yum has more info and tracks more stuff than rm does > > ... just love this typo (is it a Freudian slip leaking Seth's opinion on > rpm?) :) > No, it is not. rpm is e

Re: installation of my own rpm in a Fedora without internet

2011-02-22 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 09:29 -0300, Domingo Becker wrote: > 2011/2/19 Dominic Hopf : > >> > >> I think that a just installed Fedora box should have the ability to > >> install software from an usb stick without the need of an internet > >> connection. > >> > >> Think about a computer with F14 for ma

Re: systemd fail-to-boot in rawhide

2011-02-22 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 13:40 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Or maybe the whole problem set goes away by doing nothing since btrfs > has no fsck? ;-) > When I spoke with Josef a couple of weeks ago he said btrfs would be getting a fsck very soon. borne out by this comment from Chris: http://w

Re: [GSoC] Avahi repositories for yum

2011-03-20 Thread seth vidal
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 01:48 +0800, Yin Qiu wrote: > Hi, > > I'm Yin from China. As the subject line says, I'd like to apply for the > summer project of adding automatic repo discovery for yum. I've personally > contacted Roland McGrath, who is supposed to be the mentor for this project, > and h

[HALL-MONITORED]Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
This thread is now closed. We've received repeated complaints about the redundancy of it. No further posts to this thread will be allowed. Thank You, Seth Vidal Fedora Hall Monitor https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hall_Monitor_Policy -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Fesco Meeting May 04, 2010 Summary

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-05-04/fesco.2010-05-04-19.00.html #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-05-04) Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary 1. init process (nirik, 19:00:01) 2. #351 Create a policy for updates - status report on imple

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:45:53PM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> This thread is now closed. We've received repeated complaints about the >> redundancy of it. >> >> No further posts to this thread will be a

Re: FYI: NVR issues from f12 -> f13

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 4 May 2010, John Reiser wrote: >> Here's a list of f12 -> f13 with unclean update paths based on srpm. > > Text search is powerful, but a sorted list is even better. > The script I wrote to make this list is here: I should have sorted the pkgs at the end, sorry. thanks, -sv -- deve

Re: FYI: NVR issues from f12 -> f13

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 4 May 2010, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 4 May 2010, John Reiser wrote: > >>> Here's a list of f12 -> f13 with unclean update paths based on srpm. >> >> Text search is powerful, but a sorted list is even better. >> > > The script I

Re: FYI: NVR issues from f12 -> f13

2010-05-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 5 May 2010, James Antill wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 23:53 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> On Tue, 4 May 2010, John Reiser wrote: >> >>>> Here's a list of f12 -> f13 with unclean update paths based on srpm. >>> >>>

Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests

2010-05-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: Hi, Warren Togami wrote on ‫پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰، ۰۲:۱۰:۴۸‬:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶  02:10, Warren Togami wrote: (10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73% [- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB 33408831294102659589898824

Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests

2010-05-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Thomas Spura wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 06.05.2010, 08:53 -0400 schrieb Seth Vidal: On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: Hi, Warren Togami wrote on ‫پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰، ۰۲:۱۰:۴۸‬:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 02:10, Warren Togami wrote: (10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm

Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests

2010-05-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote: Hi, Warren Togami wrote on ‫پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰، ۰۲:۱۰:۴۸‬:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶  02:10, Warren Togami wrote: (10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73% [- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB 33408831294102659589898824

Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests

2010-05-06 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Thomas Spura wrote: > My workaround for this was to kill the connection and yum will search > then a new server and restart the connection. > > Maybe if the rate is < 0.5 B/s -> restart the connection would be a > solution for this? > > (Didn't saw this issue quite a while no

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-07 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 7 May 2010, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> >> > Totally off-topic, but I think "Spiralling Downward Towards a CapsLock > Doomsday" would be a fantastic band name. > Or possibly a Cory Doctrow book. -sv -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/l

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER >> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't >> support it! >> > > It might not be obvious but doin

Re: planet.fedoraproject.org blog addition weirdness

2010-05-10 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello! > > Not sure that people are still unaware of that issue, but, anyway, > here is my problem: I added RSS-filter to my blog, to properly sort > out off-topic or unappropriate content from my diary and make it > suitable for inclusion into Fedora

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, João Neto wrote: The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... When the user will get a package like this: Not sure what package kit is doing but just for fun try: yum search Latex Editor | less I get a number of replies. the ones at the top are better.

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, Guido Grazioli wrote: 2010/5/12 Rahul Sundaram : The search box has a icon on the left side which defaults to searching the name rather than description.  It is probably too subtle to notice. I bet that is the problem here. Rahul Having an additional option in that con

Re: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!

2010-05-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 12 May 2010, David Malcolm wrote: > I don't know if that's the issue, but this reminded me of this: > http://www.secretgeek.net/ms_search.asp > > Implementing "search" is difficult. In a good implementation, the user > shouldn't need to understand the schema of the underlying database >

Re: Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

2010-05-13 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > What we really need, imho, is a better QC process between packagers and > stable updates. Bodhi was supposed to implement such process, but in > fact it's mostly useless because there's no incentive for testers to go > there and report about their e

Re: F-13 yum in kvm or vmware guests

2010-05-13 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 13 May 2010, Thomas Spura wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 06.05.2010, 15:18 -0400 schrieb Seth Vidal: >> >> On Thu, 6 May 2010, Thomas Spura wrote: >> >>> My workaround for this was to kill the connection and yum will search >>> then a new server and r

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