Re: Orphaning some packages

2010-01-19 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/1/19 Henrique Junior : > Hello folks, > Due to an increasing lack of time I'm leaving my packages orphaned. Even if > I want, I will not be able to devote the attention they deserve. > I would like to thank all the kind help I received over time in the task of > maintaining these packages. > b

Re: Purging the F13 orphans

2010-01-28 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/1/28 Jesse Keating : > Unblocked orphan libvisual > Unblocked orphan libvisual-plugins I took over those two -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: git branch help?

2010-08-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Karel Zak wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:56:37PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>>  On 08/03/2010 12:53 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote: correct, git will share objects between branches, so by storing in different directories yo

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le jeudi 12 août 2010 à 13:51 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : > >> I guess I'm just saying that, if we had the developer time to do it, it >> would be super nice if we could get the "pre-F15 rawhide is useless" bit over >> and done wi

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-17 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:37 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> > As several people have pointed out, there's a fundamental inconsistency >> > in your position - you can't simultaneously claim that lots of people >> > ar

Re: F14 Question: AVerMedia AVerTV Volar Black HD/-A850 availability

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, > > I have the impression that the  DVBT-USB stick mentioned in the subject line > is not supported by F14. After plugging in, I got an error msg: missing > firmware file in /lib/firmware: > > ===

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Thomas Janssen wrote: >> I'm part of the KDE SIG. I will apply today for proventester to become >> the KDE proventester. > > Actually, Rex Dieter already started the application process, so you'll > probabl

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED, v2] orphaned packages in F-14

2010-08-21 Thread Thomas Janssen
> Orphan: libgnomemm26 >    me-tv requires libgnomemm26-devel = 2.28.0-1 > Orphan: libgnomeuimm26 >    me-tv requires libgnomeuimm26-devel = 2.28.0-1.fc12 > Orphan: spambayes >    kdepim requires spambayes = 1.0.4-10.fc14 Taken. Co-maintainers welcome. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium --

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > Hi! I've been working in a project called "Hermes" (For more information > refer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hermes) The idea is to build a Feed > Parser > customizable by the user that notifies when there are important news... As

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>> than the fire hose we have now are silen

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > "Thomas Janssen" wrote: >>What previous niche? > > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and > desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. > We had new technology t

Recently FTBFS stfl, fails on ruby installation

2010-09-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a file into /usr/lib.. but lib/.. That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting installed into /usr/lib.. just fine. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2450778&name=build.log I checked (t

Orphaned incollector

2010-09-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, i just orphaned 'incollector'. I do maintain a similar software (basket) which is miles better. If someone thinks there has to be a gtk alternative around, feel free and pick it up. -- Best regards Thomas -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: Recently FTBFS stfl, fails on ruby installation

2010-09-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > Hi, > > i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a > file into /usr/lib.. but lib/.. > That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting > installed into /usr/li

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Andrea Musuruane wrote: >> Why xulrunner has been built against this and pushed to stable? > > Because Firefox/Thunderbird maintainers have the ability to > Push-To-Stable regardless of what the Fedora package policies say. Harrumph. >

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen > wrote: > >> >> My security fix build was rejected going to stable directly, because >> it could break anything (freeciv game), so i expect critical packages >> f

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote: > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen > wrote: >> File a ticket with FESCo. We should have "*all* packages go trough >> updates-testing, regardless of who's the maintainer or what's the >&g

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 > Brandon Lozza wrote: > >> It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid >> panics :) > > Well, I personally do not want to say: > > "Hey, anytime you like down the road, you get an except

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:26:46 -0400, you wrote: > >>I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest >>upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new >>users. I'm in regular contact with the team of

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0200, you wrote: > >>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 >>> Brandon Lozza wrote: >>> It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to av

Re: Sindre Pedersen Bjørdal is AWOL, 25 packages lo oking for new owners

2010-02-02 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/3 Christoph Wickert : >      * gtk-recordmydesktop -- GUI Desktop session recorder with audio >        and video >      * qt-recordmydesktop -- KDE Desktop session recorder with audio >        and video >      * recordmydesktop -- Desktop session recorder with audio and >        video I've

Re: John T. Guthrie III is AWOL - 18 packages for the grabs

2010-02-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert : > * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library > * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and > compression >      * epeg -- Immensely fast JPEG thumbnailer >      * epsilon -- Small, display independent, and quick thumbnailing I've

Re: John T. Guthrie III is AWOL - 18 packages for the grabs

2010-02-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert : > Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 12:25 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen: >> 2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert : >> >      * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library >> >      * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and >> >

Re: John T. Guthrie III is AWOL - 18 packages for the grabs

2010-02-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert : >      * e_dbus -- Wrappers around dbus for EFL based applications >      * ecore -- Event/X abstraction layer >      * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library >      * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and >        compression >      * efreet

Re: rawhide report: 20100208 changes

2010-02-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/8 Rawhide Report : > Compose started at Mon Feb  8 08:15:08 UTC 2010 > > Broken deps for i386 > -- A list of packages that grows slowly. > Broken deps for x86_64 > -- Same here,

Re: Fedora 12 re-spins Released

2010-02-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/11 Robert 'Bob' Jensen : > > - "Dan Williams" wrote: >> >> Oh seriously, a little communication between the Unity team and the >> KDE >> team wouldn't hurt here.  If the Unity team said "hey, we're going to >> do >> a spin on March 6th" but the KDE team wanted to slip that a few days >>

Re: Orphaning Some Packages

2010-02-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/13 Brian Pepple : > freeciv I would take that. I still love to play it. Upstream is active. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson : > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: >> configuration can be in xorg.conf or in /etc/xorg.conf.d/. > > Can it be /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ instead please?  It would suck to have >

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson : > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> 2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson : >> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote:

Re: rawhide report: 20100215 changes

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/16 Rawhide Report : > Compose started at Mon Feb 15 08:15:08 UTC 2010 > > Broken deps for i386 > -- >        edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires libembryo.so.0 > > > Broken deps for x86_64 > -

Re: Bodhi hash collision?

2010-02-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/18 Jonathan Underwood : > Hi, > > I just logged into the bodhi web interface and clicked on "my > updates". In the list I see a recent package I pushed to testing - > shorewall-4.4.6-2.fc12. When I click on it, it takes me to a screen > for luckybackup-0.3.5-2.fc12. Something seems to have g

Re: Heads up! Broken deps in Upgrade from 12 to 13

2010-02-21 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/21 Michael Schwendt : > Just for kicks, the current > >   Upgrade from  12+updates  to  13+updates+testing > > broken deps look like below. While several may be due to dead packages > that have been removed in 13, some are likely due to violated upgrade > paths and bad/missing Obsoletes for

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-02-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable >> direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that >> problem (e.g. a policy disco

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes wrote: I agree to almost everything you wrote. > - Allow maintainers to see number of downloads by users who have > opted-in to share that data. If not number, then a simple range. *That* would be awesome. Because besides of bugs and some guys in I

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable >> direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that >> problem (e.g. a policy

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:48:15PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes wrote: >> > >> &

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 21:07 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: >> > Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but >> > here is the kicker.  The perl in F11 is perl-5.10.0-82.fc11.  So t

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:07:29PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: >> > Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but >> > here is the kicker.  The perl in F11 is perl-5.10.0-82.fc1

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > On 3 March 2010 16:23, Thomas Janssen wrote: > [..] >> BUT, Fedora was my choice BECAUSE i get/got the latest and greatest. >> Even without running rawhide/factory/cooker. >> > [..] > > Well, update to lates

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen > wrote: >> What cost? I'm the maintainer of those packages. If i want them as >> well for people who want it in F-11, i give it to them. Why should i >> force som

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas Janssen > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen >>> wrote: >>>> What

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen said: >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters wrote: >> > My own personal opinion is that stable updates should only fix serious >> > issues, or security problems. Fedora has

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Jaroslav Reznik [03/03/2010 15:41] : >> >> It's very easy - latest KDE stable release. > > Not if they've never updated their install, in which case they've got > the version of KDE that shipped on release date. > > If they updated their d

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen said: >> If you want RHEL, use it. > > People keep saying this, as if the opposite of "updates every day" is > "release every 3 years".  Those are two extremes, and there

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:08 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> So why we can't use it as our advantage and fill this gap? > > We could very well fill that gap with rapid release cycles (every 6 > months) and updates for those releases that focus

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Thomas Janssen [03/03/2010 16:00] : >> >> Helper: please run in a terminal "kde4-config --version" > > If you're going to ask users to use the CLI, you're better off asking > them the output

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Jesse Keating wrote: >> > We could very well fill that gap with rapid release cycles (every 6 >> > months) and updates for those releases that focus on bugfix and >> > security.  That is a unique rol

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said: >> As i said before. Nobody holds a gun on my head and tells me "you have >> to update that packages". If you dont want it, read the man yum and >> exclude wh

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > >> >> Jesse Keating wrote: >> >> > W

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said: >> > When there's no policy, and the user has to guess whether or not they >> > need to do this for every package on their system, however, you have >> >

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala wrote: > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an unofficial >> one will no doubt spring up, or an existing unofficial repo will pick up >> that role (for KDE, kde-redhat stable would p

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala wrote: >> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >> current stable release nor support an official bac

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > On Thursday 04 March 2010 15:30:43 Juha Tuomala wrote: >> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an >> > unofficial one will no doubt spring up, or an existing unofficial r

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/05/2010 02:06 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: >> >> Maybe it isn't written down as a policy but in my mind it's a big part >> of the four foundations. Unless we want to make them "freedom friends >> frozen frustration" in the future ... >> > > h

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/05/2010 03:55 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> >> I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over >> again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a >> BZ as well

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/05/2010 04:33 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> >> So you filed a bug. I will search for it. So you stop'd using it, BUT >> you faced more problems like that. Now that's interesting. Or is it >> that

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/05/2010 10:16 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote: >>> Does that mean if Fedora N is released with KDE 4.x, the users get >>> 4.x+1 only in Fedora N+1? It sounds diagonally opposite

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> On 03/05/2010 10:16 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote: >>>> Does that mean if Fedora N is

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 03/05/2010 10:25 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > >> I can see the need and agree that maybe not every big push needs to go >> to N-1 releases. But not pushing 4.x.x relases to the currently >> "stable" N relea

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:25 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > >> I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over >> again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a >> BZ

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:10:41PM +, Andrew Haley wrote: >> On 03/05/2010 03:25 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> > So i (and others who think like me), have no reason to use Fedora >> > over one of the other main

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread > about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and > controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, > right? > > Here it is: http://foru

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 03/05/2010 06:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:10:41PM +, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> Well, that's a rather specialized taste. > >> And since I was lost at the previous step, I wonder here what you >> think Thomas

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread >> about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and >> controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone l

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil : >> The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core >> components revision number . > > I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros > in past 11 years, and this is something new to me... > > I hope that RHEL 6 will be

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:13 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>> >>> Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you >>> get too many complaints. But make it available for those wh

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: Again I say "updates-testing"! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. >>> >>> If you have a large codebase two months is barely enou

Re: "Welcome to Fedora" docs/video/audio

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > On 7 March 2010 13:21, Ryan Rix wrote: > [..] >> >> take a look at http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour >> > > Cool, did not knew about it, thanks for pointing out. By the way, thank you very much guys for taking the idea and making something

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen : >> 2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski : >>> 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil : >>>> The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core >>>> components revision number . >>> >>> I'm not convinced t

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen : >> Why are you trying to change the Face and Character of Fedora instead >> of using what fits your needs (your own mentioned RHEL/CentOS)? > > RHEL5/CentOS5 is outdated for my needs. > > I had two ways: >

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Henrique Junior : > From what I see, to educate our users to actually test and provide > feedback is more laborious than educating our package maintainers. For > maintainers, discussions such as those that have occurred serve to > clarify, but I think in the case of users, it wouldn't be v

I love Fedora

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
Dear readers. The last two weeks have had a few big, very hot discussed threads. I personally was a few times way too much involved with my feelings and i suspect a few others here as well. As the subject says it clearly, i love Fedora. I love it as it is. It is leading edge, i can have latest ve

Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel? The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's 13+ and 10- And the kernel got -5 since it's pushed to stable. Shouldn't that one stay out of stable for now? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.32.9-67.

Re: Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:36:18PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: >>Hi, >> >>what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel? >> >>The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's &g

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 12:34:03PM -0500, Will Woods wrote: > >> Adam's poll results are valid *only* for Fedora users who: >> >> a) Are members of the Fedora forum, >> b) Enthusiasts/power-users to the degree that they would notice a new >> thre

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> Before being added to updates, the package must receive a net karma of >> +3 in Bodhi. > > [...] > >> It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should >> ea

Re: Meeting summary/minutes for 2010-03-09 FESCo meeting

2010-03-10 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 20:25 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal: > >> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that >> meeting. >> >> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do to correct it? > > Seth, resp

Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default? (was: Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism)

2010-03-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: >> > Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it >> > by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to >> > provide feedback. >> >> I do not mind, if it is

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/12/2010 06:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >>> If you don't even agree with a basic principle that breaking ABI should be >>> avoided in updates, we don't really have much left to discuss. >>> >> I don't see this

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/12/2010 04:36 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> >> And i disagree here. People like that have to face that Fedora or any >> similar distro isn't for them. >> > > I don't see why you want to cont

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote: > -snipped-- > > If I can be indulged. > >> it's because i can't believe that dial-up-land user are really that >> stubborn > > It's not the endusers

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 12/03/10 11:56, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphy  wrote: >>> On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote: >>> -snipped-- >>> >>> If I can be indulged. >&

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/12/2010 05:03 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> >> I wasn't answering the ABI stability part. But the people-in-dial-up-land >> part. >> > > It is interconnected in my argument and doesn't mak

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 12/03/10 12:12, Thomas Janssen wrote: > --sniped-- >>>> >>>> Oh, so it's our fault? >>> >>> It's just life, in all it's forms. >> >> Exactly. And if i live in an ar

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John J. McDonough wrote: > Chris Adams wrote: > >> Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: >>> If the infrastructure sucks where you live, what needs to happen >>> is that the infrastructure needs to improve, not that the whole >>> world adapts to stone-age infrastru

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> >> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how >> you define "more ammeniable to new contributors", so that's harder to >> address. Still, I think it's

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> >>> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how &

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jesse Keating wrote: >> > Fundamental point of view difference.  You take the point of view of >> > push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not >> > to. >>

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 12/03/10 19:27, Adam Williamson wrote: > --snipped-- >>> >>> Bringing it back to dialup. >>> Fedora liveCD 500-700mb >>> CentOS DVD 3.5GB app. >>> Fedora 1, CentOS 0 >> >> In my experience, many users with restricted bandwidth actually pref

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 21:48 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > >> Why, do you think, should just a single user change to Fedora, away >> from Ubuntu or any other Distro? Because we're blue? > > If the only reason to

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a): >> Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't >> generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. "no" is a strong word! > > And yes, these are users who have subscrib

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:09 -0700 > Jesse Keating wrote: > >> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain >> > and upgrade path >> >> Does this one really have

Orphaning DR17 and EFL

2010-03-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, im orphaning: e_dbus ecore edje eet efreet embryo emotion epeg epsilon evas ewl libeina Reason: The problem started with my co-maintainer cassmodiah, building embryo .063 release for F-13 without waiting for me to have the complete chain built at least locally and having it tested. That's th

Re: Orphaning DR17 and EFL

2010-03-17 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 16.03.2010, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen: > >> The real reason to get the packages orphaned is the continued >> annoyance of cwickert on IRC (#fedora-de), trying to force me into the >> r

Re: Orphaning Packages

2010-03-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/18/2010 02:01 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> >>> Warren Togami wrote: >>> >>> I am orphaning the following packages.  Two look pretty important for someone else to save. NEWLY ORPHANED PACKAGES =

Re: Non-responsive maintainer Karsten Hopp?

2010-03-22 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Karsten Hopp wrote: > Am 22.03.2010 12:05, schrieb Till Maas: >> Hiyas, >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 04:45:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: >> >> >  The privoxy current in F12 is a beta version and had a lot of bugs. >> >  See >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.

Re: Orphaning DR17 and EFL

2010-03-28 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Simon Wesp wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 16.03.2010, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen: >> Hi, > As-Salāmu `Alaykum > >> im orphaning: >> >> e_dbus >> ecore >> edje >> eet >> efreet >> embryo >> e

Re: URGENT! These review requests needs your attention!

2010-04-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello! > > I just found that some folks submitted some interesting packages for the > review. Not all of them are in good shape, though. > > * wow-oss (Fedora Games SIG members, please take care of it) > * iTunes (nice, Qt-based alternative t

Re: non-responsive maintainer: thomasvs

2010-04-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Julian Sikorski wrote: > W dniu 03.04.2010 20:52, Felix Kaechele pisze: >> I talked to him on IRC three days ago and he accepted one of my bugs I >> filed at morituri's (a cd ripping tool of his, best there is) bugtracker. >> >> Maybe ping him on IRC. His nick is t

Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: >> On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: >>> I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support >>> as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase >>> ba

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