2010/1/19 Henrique Junior :
> Hello folks,
> Due to an increasing lack of time I'm leaving my packages orphaned. Even if
> I want, I will not be able to devote the attention they deserve.
> I would like to thank all the kind help I received over time in the task of
> maintaining these packages.
> b
2010/1/28 Jesse Keating :
> Unblocked orphan libvisual
> Unblocked orphan libvisual-plugins
I took over those two
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On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Karel Zak wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 03, 2010 at 12:56:37PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2010 12:53 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote:
correct, git will share objects between branches, so by storing in
different
directories yo
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
> Le jeudi 12 août 2010 à 13:51 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit :
>
>> I guess I'm just saying that, if we had the developer time to do it, it
>> would be super nice if we could get the "pre-F15 rawhide is useless" bit over
>> and done wi
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:37 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > As several people have pointed out, there's a fundamental inconsistency
>> > in your position - you can't simultaneously claim that lots of people
>> > ar
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Joachim Backes
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have the impression that the DVBT-USB stick mentioned in the subject line
> is not supported by F14. After plugging in, I got an error msg: missing
> firmware file in /lib/firmware:
>
> ===
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> I'm part of the KDE SIG. I will apply today for proventester to become
>> the KDE proventester.
>
> Actually, Rex Dieter already started the application process, so you'll
> probabl
> Orphan: libgnomemm26
> me-tv requires libgnomemm26-devel = 2.28.0-1
> Orphan: libgnomeuimm26
> me-tv requires libgnomeuimm26-devel = 2.28.0-1.fc12
> Orphan: spambayes
> kdepim requires spambayes = 1.0.4-10.fc14
Taken. Co-maintainers welcome.
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
>
> Hi! I've been working in a project called "Hermes" (For more information
> refer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hermes) The idea is to build a Feed
> Parser
> customizable by the user that notifies when there are important news... As
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
>>> than the fire hose we have now are silen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> "Thomas Janssen" wrote:
>>What previous niche?
>
> We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and
> desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule.
> We had new technology t
Hi,
i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a
file into /usr/lib.. but lib/..
That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting
installed into /usr/lib.. just fine.
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2450778&name=build.log
I checked (t
Hi,
i just orphaned 'incollector'.
I do maintain a similar software (basket) which is miles better. If
someone thinks there has to be a gtk alternative around, feel free and
pick it up.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Janssen
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a
> file into /usr/lib.. but lib/..
> That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting
> installed into /usr/li
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Andrea Musuruane wrote:
>> Why xulrunner has been built against this and pushed to stable?
>
> Because Firefox/Thunderbird maintainers have the ability to
> Push-To-Stable regardless of what the Fedora package policies say. Harrumph.
>
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen
> wrote:
>
>>
>> My security fix build was rejected going to stable directly, because
>> it could break anything (freeciv game), so i expect critical packages
>> f
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen
> wrote:
>> File a ticket with FESCo. We should have "*all* packages go trough
>> updates-testing, regardless of who's the maintainer or what's the
>&g
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400
> Brandon Lozza wrote:
>
>> It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid
>> panics :)
>
> Well, I personally do not want to say:
>
> "Hey, anytime you like down the road, you get an except
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:26:46 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest
>>upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new
>>users. I'm in regular contact with the team of
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0200, you wrote:
>
>>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400
>>> Brandon Lozza wrote:
>>>
It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to av
2010/2/3 Christoph Wickert :
> * gtk-recordmydesktop -- GUI Desktop session recorder with audio
> and video
> * qt-recordmydesktop -- KDE Desktop session recorder with audio
> and video
> * recordmydesktop -- Desktop session recorder with audio and
> video
I've
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert :
> * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library
> * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and
> compression
> * epeg -- Immensely fast JPEG thumbnailer
> * epsilon -- Small, display independent, and quick thumbnailing
I've
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert :
> Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 12:25 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen:
>> 2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert :
>> > * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library
>> > * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and
>> >
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert :
> * e_dbus -- Wrappers around dbus for EFL based applications
> * ecore -- Event/X abstraction layer
> * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library
> * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and
> compression
> * efreet
2010/2/8 Rawhide Report :
> Compose started at Mon Feb 8 08:15:08 UTC 2010
>
> Broken deps for i386
> --
A list of packages that grows slowly.
> Broken deps for x86_64
> --
Same here,
2010/2/11 Robert 'Bob' Jensen :
>
> - "Dan Williams" wrote:
>>
>> Oh seriously, a little communication between the Unity team and the
>> KDE
>> team wouldn't hurt here. If the Unity team said "hey, we're going to
>> do
>> a spin on March 6th" but the KDE team wanted to slip that a few days
>>
2010/2/13 Brian Pepple :
> freeciv
I would take that. I still love to play it. Upstream is active.
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2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson :
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
>> configuration can be in xorg.conf or in /etc/xorg.conf.d/.
>
> Can it be /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ instead please? It would suck to have
>
2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson :
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> 2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson :
>> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
2010/2/16 Rawhide Report :
> Compose started at Mon Feb 15 08:15:08 UTC 2010
>
> Broken deps for i386
> --
> edje-0.9.9.050-6.fc12.i686 requires libembryo.so.0
>
>
> Broken deps for x86_64
> -
2010/2/18 Jonathan Underwood :
> Hi,
>
> I just logged into the bodhi web interface and clicked on "my
> updates". In the list I see a recent package I pushed to testing -
> shorewall-4.4.6-2.fc12. When I click on it, it takes me to a screen
> for luckybackup-0.3.5-2.fc12. Something seems to have g
2010/2/21 Michael Schwendt :
> Just for kicks, the current
>
> Upgrade from 12+updates to 13+updates+testing
>
> broken deps look like below. While several may be due to dead packages
> that have been removed in 13, some are likely due to violated upgrade
> paths and bad/missing Obsoletes for
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>> I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable
>> direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that
>> problem (e.g. a policy disco
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes wrote:
I agree to almost everything you wrote.
> - Allow maintainers to see number of downloads by users who have
> opted-in to share that data. If not number, then a simple range.
*That* would be awesome. Because besides of bugs and some guys in I
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable
>> direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that
>> problem (e.g. a policy
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:48:15PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes wrote:
>> >
>> &
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 21:07 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but
>> > here is the kicker. The perl in F11 is perl-5.10.0-82.fc11. So t
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:07:29PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but
>> > here is the kicker. The perl in F11 is perl-5.10.0-82.fc1
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
> On 3 March 2010 16:23, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> [..]
>> BUT, Fedora was my choice BECAUSE i get/got the latest and greatest.
>> Even without running rawhide/factory/cooker.
>>
> [..]
>
> Well, update to lates
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen
> wrote:
>> What cost? I'm the maintainer of those packages. If i want them as
>> well for people who want it in F-11, i give it to them. Why should i
>> force som
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mathieu Bridon
wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas Janssen
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen
>>> wrote:
>>>> What
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen said:
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
>> > My own personal opinion is that stable updates should only fix serious
>> > issues, or security problems. Fedora has
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Emmanuel Seyman
wrote:
> * Jaroslav Reznik [03/03/2010 15:41] :
>>
>> It's very easy - latest KDE stable release.
>
> Not if they've never updated their install, in which case they've got
> the version of KDE that shipped on release date.
>
> If they updated their d
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen said:
>> If you want RHEL, use it.
>
> People keep saying this, as if the opposite of "updates every day" is
> "release every 3 years". Those are two extremes, and there
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:08 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>> So why we can't use it as our advantage and fill this gap?
>
> We could very well fill that gap with rapid release cycles (every 6
> months) and updates for those releases that focus
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Emmanuel Seyman
wrote:
> * Thomas Janssen [03/03/2010 16:00] :
>>
>> Helper: please run in a terminal "kde4-config --version"
>
> If you're going to ask users to use the CLI, you're better off asking
> them the output
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > We could very well fill that gap with rapid release cycles (every 6
>> > months) and updates for those releases that focus on bugfix and
>> > security. That is a unique rol
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said:
>> As i said before. Nobody holds a gun on my head and tells me "you have
>> to update that packages". If you dont want it, read the man yum and
>> exclude wh
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> > On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> >> > W
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said:
>> > When there's no policy, and the user has to guess whether or not they
>> > need to do this for every package on their system, however, you have
>> >
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an unofficial
>> one will no doubt spring up, or an existing unofficial repo will pick up
>> that role (for KDE, kde-redhat stable would p
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala wrote:
>> > On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> >> current stable release nor support an official bac
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> On Thursday 04 March 2010 15:30:43 Juha Tuomala wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> > current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an
>> > unofficial one will no doubt spring up, or an existing unofficial r
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/05/2010 02:06 PM, Sven Lankes wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it isn't written down as a policy but in my mind it's a big part
>> of the four foundations. Unless we want to make them "freedom friends
>> frozen frustration" in the future ...
>>
>
> h
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/05/2010 03:55 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>
>> I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over
>> again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a
>> BZ as well
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/05/2010 04:33 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>
>> So you filed a bug. I will search for it. So you stop'd using it, BUT
>> you faced more problems like that. Now that's interesting. Or is it
>> that
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar
wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 03/05/2010 10:16 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote:
>>> Does that mean if Fedora N is released with KDE 4.x, the users get
>>> 4.x+1 only in Fedora N+1? It sounds diagonally opposite
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Thomas Janssen
wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> On 03/05/2010 10:16 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote:
>>>> Does that mean if Fedora N is
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 03/05/2010 10:25 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
>> I can see the need and agree that maybe not every big push needs to go
>> to N-1 releases. But not pushing 4.x.x relases to the currently
>> "stable" N relea
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:25 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
>> I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over
>> again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a
>> BZ
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:10:41PM +, Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 03/05/2010 03:25 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> > So i (and others who think like me), have no reason to use Fedora
>> > over one of the other main
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread
> about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and
> controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those,
> right?
>
> Here it is: http://foru
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 03/05/2010 06:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:10:41PM +, Andrew Haley wrote:
>>> Well, that's a rather specialized taste.
>
>> And since I was lost at the previous step, I wonder here what you
>> think Thomas
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread
>> about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and
>> controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone l
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski :
> 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil :
>> The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core
>> components revision number .
>
> I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros
> in past 11 years, and this is something new to me...
>
> I hope that RHEL 6 will be
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:13 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
>>>
>>> Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you
>>> get too many complaints. But make it available for those wh
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Again I say "updates-testing"! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for
a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them
plenty of time to adapt.
>>>
>>> If you have a large codebase two months is barely enou
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote:
> On 7 March 2010 13:21, Ryan Rix wrote:
> [..]
>>
>> take a look at http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-tour
>>
>
> Cool, did not knew about it, thanks for pointing out.
By the way, thank you very much guys for taking the idea and making
something
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski :
> 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen :
>> 2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski :
>>> 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil :
>>>> The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core
>>>> components revision number .
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced t
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski :
> 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen :
>> Why are you trying to change the Face and Character of Fedora instead
>> of using what fits your needs (your own mentioned RHEL/CentOS)?
>
> RHEL5/CentOS5 is outdated for my needs.
>
> I had two ways:
>
2010/3/7 Henrique Junior :
> From what I see, to educate our users to actually test and provide
> feedback is more laborious than educating our package maintainers. For
> maintainers, discussions such as those that have occurred serve to
> clarify, but I think in the case of users, it wouldn't be v
Dear readers.
The last two weeks have had a few big, very hot discussed threads. I
personally was a few times way too much involved with my feelings and
i suspect a few others here as well.
As the subject says it clearly, i love Fedora. I love it as it is. It
is leading edge, i can have latest ve
Hi,
what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel?
The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's
13+ and 10-
And the kernel got -5 since it's pushed to stable. Shouldn't that one
stay out of stable for now?
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.32.9-67.
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:36:18PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel?
>>
>>The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's
&g
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 12:34:03PM -0500, Will Woods wrote:
>
>> Adam's poll results are valid *only* for Fedora users who:
>>
>> a) Are members of the Fedora forum,
>> b) Enthusiasts/power-users to the degree that they would notice a new
>> thre
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Sven Lankes wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>> Before being added to updates, the package must receive a net karma of
>> +3 in Bodhi.
>
> [...]
>
>> It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should
>> ea
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Christoph Wickert
wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 09.03.2010, 20:25 -0500 schrieb Seth Vidal:
>
>> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that
>> meeting.
>>
>> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do to correct it?
>
> Seth, resp
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said:
>> > Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it
>> > by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to
>> > provide feedback.
>>
>> I do not mind, if it is
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/12/2010 06:52 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
>>> If you don't even agree with a basic principle that breaking ABI should be
>>> avoided in updates, we don't really have much left to discuss.
>>>
>> I don't see this
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/12/2010 04:36 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>
>> And i disagree here. People like that have to face that Fedora or any
>> similar distro isn't for them.
>>
>
> I don't see why you want to cont
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> -snipped--
>
> If I can be indulged.
>
>> it's because i can't believe that dial-up-land user are really that
>> stubborn
>
> It's not the endusers
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 12/03/10 11:56, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>> On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>> -snipped--
>>>
>>> If I can be indulged.
>&
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/12/2010 05:03 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't answering the ABI stability part. But the people-in-dial-up-land
>> part.
>>
>
> It is interconnected in my argument and doesn't mak
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 12/03/10 12:12, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> --sniped--
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so it's our fault?
>>>
>>> It's just life, in all it's forms.
>>
>> Exactly. And if i live in an ar
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John J. McDonough wrote:
> Chris Adams wrote:
>
>> Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
>>> If the infrastructure sucks where you live, what needs to happen
>>> is that the infrastructure needs to improve, not that the whole
>>> world adapts to stone-age infrastru
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
>> you define "more ammeniable to new contributors", so that's harder to
>> address. Still, I think it's
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Thomas Janssen
wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how
&
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > Fundamental point of view difference. You take the point of view of
>> > push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not
>> > to.
>>
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 12/03/10 19:27, Adam Williamson wrote:
> --snipped--
>>>
>>> Bringing it back to dialup.
>>> Fedora liveCD 500-700mb
>>> CentOS DVD 3.5GB app.
>>> Fedora 1, CentOS 0
>>
>> In my experience, many users with restricted bandwidth actually pref
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 21:48 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
>> Why, do you think, should just a single user change to Fedora, away
>> from Ubuntu or any other Distro? Because we're blue?
>
> If the only reason to
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a):
>> Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't
>> generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. "no" is a strong word!
>
> And yes, these are users who have subscrib
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:09 -0700
> Jesse Keating wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> > #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain
>> > and upgrade path
>>
>> Does this one really have
Hi,
im orphaning:
e_dbus
ecore
edje
eet
efreet
embryo
emotion
epeg
epsilon
evas
ewl
libeina
Reason:
The problem started with my co-maintainer cassmodiah, building embryo
.063 release for F-13 without waiting for me to have the complete
chain built at least locally and having it tested. That's th
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Christoph Wickert
wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 16.03.2010, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen:
>
>> The real reason to get the packages orphaned is the continued
>> annoyance of cwickert on IRC (#fedora-de), trying to force me into the
>> r
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 03/18/2010 02:01 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>>
>>> Warren Togami wrote:
>>>
>>>
I am orphaning the following packages. Two look pretty important for
someone else to save.
NEWLY ORPHANED PACKAGES
=
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Karsten Hopp wrote:
> Am 22.03.2010 12:05, schrieb Till Maas:
>> Hiyas,
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 04:45:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote:
>>
>> > The privoxy current in F12 is a beta version and had a lot of bugs.
>> > See
>> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Simon Wesp
wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 16.03.2010, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen:
>> Hi,
> As-Salāmu `Alaykum
>
>> im orphaning:
>>
>> e_dbus
>> ecore
>> edje
>> eet
>> efreet
>> embryo
>> e
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I just found that some folks submitted some interesting packages for the
> review. Not all of them are in good shape, though.
>
> * wow-oss (Fedora Games SIG members, please take care of it)
> * iTunes (nice, Qt-based alternative t
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Julian Sikorski wrote:
> W dniu 03.04.2010 20:52, Felix Kaechele pisze:
>> I talked to him on IRC three days ago and he accepted one of my bugs I
>> filed at morituri's (a cd ripping tool of his, best there is) bugtracker.
>>
>> Maybe ping him on IRC. His nick is t
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote:
>>> I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support
>>> as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the codebase
>>> ba
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