Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy wrote: > Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to > rebuild all the packages that require mono. I've untagged this, it needs to be done on a side tag and then tagged in. Peter > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 7:06 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Moez Roy wrote: >> >> Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to >> rebuild all the packages that require mono. >> >> -Thanks. >> -- >> devel mailing list >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy wrote: >> Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to >> rebuild all the packages that require mono. > > I've untagged this, it needs to be done on

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy wrote: > Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to > rebuild all the packages that require mono. I've rebuilt a few packages in the f23-mono4 side tag, some are broken which causes some others to have failures, you'll need to fix/u

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy wrote: >> Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to >> rebuild all the packages that require mono. > > I've rebuilt a few packages in the f2

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Dan Horák wrote: > On Mon, 18 May 2015 09:57:14 +0100 > Peter Robinson wrote: > >> On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >> > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy >> > wrote: >> >> Mo

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
>> Either way it looks like there is still quite a bit of work for the >> change owners to do before we can tag anything over to f23. >> >> Peter > > Thanks for looking into this and creating that tag f23-mono4 > > I received about 60 emails about failing packages. > > Claudio and myself have alrea

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Timotheus Pokorra wrote: > Hello Peter, > >> I've rebuilt a few packages in the f23-mono4 side tag, some are broken >> which causes some others to have failures, you'll need to fix/update >> nant/dbus-sharp. I'm also rebuilding mono itself as a post boostrap >> bu

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-18 Thread Peter Robinson
>> >> Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to >> >> rebuild all the packages that require mono. >> >> >> >> -Thanks. >> >> -- >> >> devel mailing list >> >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> Fedora Code of Cond

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Mono 4

2015-05-19 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Moez Roy wrote: > Mono is updated in Rawhide. Can a proven-packager run a script to > rebuild all the packages that require mono. Most of these are now built, sadly because all the bits needed weren't actually committed it wasn't as simple as running a script. Th

Fedora 22 for aarch64 is here!

2015-05-26 Thread Peter Robinson
We are proud to announce the official release of Fedora 22 for aarch64, the community-driven and community-built operating system now available in Cloud, Server, and Workstation editions. If that's all you need to hear, jump over to Get Fedora to download -- or for current users, run the FedUp upg

Fedora 22 for POWER is here!

2015-06-02 Thread Peter Robinson
We are proud to announce the official release of Fedora 22 for POWER, the community-driven and community-built operating system now available in Cloud and Server editions. If that's all you need to hear, jump over to Get Fedora to download -- or for current users, run the FedUp upgrade tool. *

Re: git perl-less build?

2015-06-03 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi, > I have this request on bugzilla [0] for perl-less build of git due to large > dependency on Perl modules, which is unwanted for atomic. There's actually a number of other usecases where having git without pulling in perl would be very useful, it's been on my todo list to investigate but not

Re: Heads up: OCaml 4.02.2+rc1 coming to Rawhide

2015-06-16 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I'm going to upload OCaml 4.02.2+rc1 to Rawhide. Mostly this is lots > and lots of incremental compiler fixes, but there are a few > highlights: > > - includes libasmrun_shared.so which makes it easier to build plugins >written in

Re: Heads up: OCaml 4.02.2+rc1 coming to Rawhide

2015-06-16 Thread Peter Robinson
>> > I'm going to upload OCaml 4.02.2+rc1 to Rawhide. Mostly this is lots >> > and lots of incremental compiler fixes, but there are a few >> > highlights: >> > >> > - includes libasmrun_shared.so which makes it easier to build plugins >> >written in native OCaml (RHBZ#1195025) >> > >> > - f

Re: Rawhide FTBFS errors and the mass rebuild

2015-06-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > So I've been getting some failed build mails from the mass rebuild for > F-23. I'm wondering how to fix these since the mass rebuild is happening > inside a side-tag, do I just do a normal master build with the cause fixed, > or shoul

Re: Fedora 23 mass rebuild

2015-06-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 16.6.2015 v 23:00 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): >> Hi all, >> >> Per the Fedora 23 schedule[1] we will be starting a mass rebuild for Fedora >> 23 >> very shortly. > > Will it be done using DNF of YUM? yum. the changes aren't all in place

Re: Fedora 23 mass rebuild

2015-06-17 Thread Peter Robinson
>> Per the Fedora 23 schedule[1] we will be starting a mass rebuild for Fedora >> 23 >> very shortly. It was requested in a trac ticket[2] >> that we do a mass rebuild for Fedora 23 for >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Harden_All_Packages >>

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Cloud Systemd Networkd

2015-06-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > I know this is a little off-topic, but why don't we use systemd-networkd in > Fedora proper as a replacement for the ifcfg scripts when NetworkManager > isn't desired? Or at least provide it as an alternative option to > NetworkManager and ifcf

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Node.js 0.12

2015-06-24 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 24.6.2015 v 01:37 Jan Kurik napsal(a): >> -- Update v8 >> > > What the version of v8 will be? I am asking, since rubygem-therubyracer > is using system version of v8 and I am bit afraid what impact it will have. > > How is Chromium compat

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: io.js Technology Preview

2015-06-24 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: io.js Technology Preview = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/iojs > > Change owner(s): T.C. Hollingsworth > > io.js is an npm compatible platform originally based on Node.js™ that > supports version 6 o

Re: [ANNOUNCE] kexec-tools 2.0.10

2015-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 1:36 AM, Dave Young wrote: > Pratyush, > > Thanks for the effort, let's cc Fedora devel list, see if we can get help > from Fedora experts. > > Summary the problem: > Latest kexec-tools koji build in rawhide results in a wrong kexec binary, > kexec load fails with something

Re: Bodhi: Problem with Greenwave

2020-06-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:07 AM Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Hi, > > small(?) problem with automated testing in bodhi: > > > Test Gating > > Failed to talk to Greenwave. > > > at least with: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-0e5ada32f1 Is it explicitly down due to the DC migration,

Re: How to convert from GRUB to systemd-boot?

2020-06-05 Thread Peter Robinson
> Is there someone that can help me convert my Fedora install from GRUB to > systemd-boot and actually get it where kernel updates won't break it? > > The reason is that my MS Surface GO does not work with GRUB for some reason. > Probably a non-standard UEFI implementation but I both found this t

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-05 Thread Peter Robinson
> On 05.06.2020 12:50, Igor Raits wrote: > > It does not work in some cases even today anyway. > > Okay, then the second point - zram will will cause a huge memory > fragmentation and significantly decrease overall performance. Have you got proof of that and can provide figures? Having been runnin

Re: A shim bug 1651016 in Fedora

2020-06-19 Thread Peter Robinson
> I'm not sure who is maintaining the Fedora shim pkg, if none of you, > could you suggest who is the right person to ping. > > The bug below is not fixed yet for long time, can we get an update? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1651016 pjones is the maintainer, I know there's some is

Re: wireguard kmod package

2020-06-24 Thread Peter Robinson
> > I noticed that kmod-wireguard is being updated on F31, even after > > WireGuard became a part of Linux kernel since 5.6.0. Shouldn't > > kernel>5.6.0 obsolete kmod-wireguard? Is it kept and updated because > > it was originally installed via @commandline? > > > > We had a discussion about not r

Re: wireguard kmod package

2020-06-25 Thread Peter Robinson
> We did attempt to obsolete it in f32 > > https://pkgs.rpmfusion.org/cgit/free/rpmfusion-free-obsolete-packages.git/log/?h=f32 > > TBH I don't really like the idea much, removing peoples VPN isn't cool and > leaves them exposed. From what I understood of the thread it's purely removing the akmod

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:14 AM Leigh Scott wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseNanoByDefault > > > In contrast, Nano offers the kind of graphical text editing experience > > that people are used to, and therefore doesn't require specialist > > knowledge to use. It is already in

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:30 AM Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:25:24 +0200, Matthew Miller wrote: > > But, if you don't like our offerings that are targetted that way, I suggest > > you make a spin or remix that has all of defaults _you_ want. > > So FESCo has decided and there i

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Robinson
> > I agree with your points, but pressing ESC only reverses the "rhgb" part, > > the kernel output is still "quiet". > > If the kernel really locks up it is locked up and no keys work anymore. > Without "rhgb quiet" one can make a photo of the screen. > > A better solution would be to use serial c

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Robinson
> -1 for the change. If the so called 'end-user' (whatever does it mean) > can learn git, she or he can also learn 'vi' or at least how to enable > the preferred editor. Personally, I can see nothing special on the > nano, for me it qualifies as very poor editor I feel you're completely missing th

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

2020-06-26 Thread Peter Robinson
> > > Why not just patch vim-minimal to show the hint on the CTRL+C? > > > Problem solved :) > > Ctrl + C in vi will give you a > > Type :qa and press to exit Vim You can also do ZZ (two capital Zs) to exit ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Peter Robinson
> I've been very clear from the outset that Facebook's fault tolerance is much > higher than the average Fedora user. The only reason I've agreed to assist in > answering questions and support this proposal is because I have multi-year > data > that shows our failure rates are the same that we se

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

2020-06-27 Thread Peter Robinson
> > By that metric, Btrfs qualifies, as it's the default filesystem on > > SUSE Linux Enterprise (and has been since 2014). SUSE has built > > One thing I'd like to see addressed. > > Back in the RHEL7.4 days, btrfs was explicitly deprecated: > > "The Btrfs file system has been in Technology Previe

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

2020-06-28 Thread Peter Robinson
> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34:17 PM MST Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:25:01AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > > > > Jesus Christ, this actually got approved. It's time to fork Fedora. This > > > is really getting out of hand. > > > > > > > > As mentioned earlier, th

Re: fedora-minimal container and registry negative feedback

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Dridi Boukelmoune wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm not sure whether the minimization effort is still going on but I > wanted to report the pitfalls I ran into moving from the fedora Docker > container to fedora-minimal. > > For starters I was surprised by the absence

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-01 Thread Peter Robinson
> The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change > themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no > tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users > should be able to change this for hardware around 2010. > > The Installer

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:19 AM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 30.6.2020 22:38, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > >> sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight > >> compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier > >> to main

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:29 PM Alek Paunov wrote: > > On 2020-06-30 14:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so > > feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be > > bad, how it might affect the distribution

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:01 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson > wrote: > > > > On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > >> I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everyw

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-02 Thread Peter Robinson
> > If you need Secure Boot feature to be enabled, you must sign the > > compiled kmod packages with your own CA. > > > > This is what's wrong with everything. *This is not okay*. This is > intentionally a poisonous user experience because we provide no > automatic or easy way for this to be done.

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Peter Robinson
> > I guess that shows how unfamiliar I am with UEFI boot Fedora. You would > > encrypt /boot to ensure that your boot images have not been tampered with, > > or > > config files haven't been read by somebody other than the end user. > > > > Encryption != integrity/authentication. The only thing e

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-06 Thread Peter Robinson
> > It's less complex to maintain one solution for both types of boot, I'd > > imagine. I'm not the one that'd be doing the work to support it, so far be > > it > > from me to prevent somebody from doing so, but that's just what it sounds > > like. Right now, we have one solution that works well f

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-07-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:17 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 01:26:31PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > On Monday, July 6, 2020 5:24:32 AM MST Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > Default fedora disk layout in UEFI mode is partitions for ESP, /boot and > > > LVM. If you ask for full

Re: Btrfs in Silverblue

2020-07-14 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 2:45 PM Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Di, 14.07.20 07:09, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: > > > > > Why at boot time? Well if your default subvolume contains a recent > > > > update that for some reason renders it unbootable, it might be nice to > > > > be

Re: We have to talk about annobin... again

2020-07-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:35 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > Hey all, > > So I was trying to update libseccomp last night, and I was able to > build it for everything except aarch64 on Rawhide because it says the > compiler can't build executables[1]. > > Looking a bit closer, it looks like the compiler

Re: ar (binutils) segfaulting in Rawhide - known bug?

2020-07-27 Thread Peter Robinson
> > > > What would help would be if someone could untag that version of > > > > binutils so that > > > > it doesn't show up in the buildroots anymore. It's clearly fubar'd. > > > > > > Done. > > > > H. Yet my most recent build attempt, just now, failed with a > > linker segfault on all arche

Re: [pam_radius] aarch64 GCC failures during ./configure's working compiler step?

2020-07-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:19 PM Alex Scheel wrote: > > Not to pile on to what seems like a common topic... :-) > > Koschei notified me that one of my co-owned packages, pam_radius failed > to build on aarch64 with the recent gcc update (10.1.1 -> 10.2.1). ppc and > x86 built just fine. > > Looking

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 3/20/12 9:30 AM, Jon Masters wrote: >> >> Hi again, >> >> I want to thank you, and everyone else in FESCo for talking with us >> yesterday, and for looking over the proposal. Bear in mind, it's a work >> in progress. We intend to have broa

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 13:39 -0400, Peter Jones wrote: > >> >> 4) when milestones occur, arm needs to be just as testible as other >> >>     primary architectures >> > >> > So we have a new hire (hi Paul) who is looking at autoqa, and we're

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Jones wrote: >> In yesterday's FESCo meeting I told you I'd make a list of specific issues >> I have with the current proposal for ARM as a primary archictecture. There >> are some places where I think the current proposal fails to deal

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 12:08 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> 2) Updates.  Submitting updates requires the entire build to be complete >> which means you have to wait for the slowest thing to finish.  Having to >> wait for 12 hours effectively

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:41:33AM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Matthew Garrett >> wrote: >> > I think you're looking at this in slightly the wrong way. Being a >> > primary architecture isn't meant t

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > >> Maybe it's worth to ask them (or look at for example Mer builds) >> what's >> the difference in build times. > > A few statistics from build.meego.com - using the OBS and building in > qemu. These are real

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM, David Tardon wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:52:58PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >> On 03/20/2012 12:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >Now the ultra ridiculous: How about secondary architecture requirements >> >demoted as-is to tertiary. And create substantiall

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>>>> 1) mechanisms need to be in place to get package maintainers access to >>>>> fix >>>>>     arm-specific bugs in their packages >&

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 03/21/2012 09:21 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> Except when people are forced to look at it, their solution was often >> ExcludeArch for PPC.  As I said in the other thread, you cannot force >> people to care about an architecture they don't kno

Re: SPDY in F18 (was Re: F17 httpd 2.4?)

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
2012/3/13 Michał Piotrowski : > 2012/2/21 Jon Ciesla : >> 2012/2/21 Michał Piotrowski : >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is there a chance to get httpd 2.4 in Fedora 17 >>> http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/Announcement2.4.html >>> ? >>> >>> This is the first major release from a few years and has some nice features

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 12:26 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> No, we've never said that ever! But then there are a lot of desktops >> that run just fine without OpenGL. 3D really wasn't in a great state >>

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 13:32 +0100, drago01 wrote: > >> Even though I disagree with Kevin that we should block on "does not >> have 3D drivers" .. OpenGL is imo >> even more important on ARM (non server systems) then on x86. >> >> A tablet or s

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 02:28:10PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> What about all the other xorg-x11-drv* video cards, admittedly they're >> generally considered legacy but there are a lot that don't do 3D

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:27:04PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: >  > All sorts of things can speed it up, most of the Fedora builders are >  > currently loopback ext4 over NFS over 100Mb ethernet over USB. Not >  > optima

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 14:31 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 02:28:10PM +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> > What about all the other xorg-x11-drv* video cards, admittedly they're >>

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-21 at 10:38 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: >> Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: >> > That's my point, I don't believe that working 3D should be a blocker >> > to primary arch beca

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Peter Jones (pjo...@redhat.com) said: >> In yesterday's FESCo meeting I told you I'd make a list of specific issues >> I have with the current proposal for ARM as a primary archictecture. There >> are some places where I think the current p

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > On 03/21/2012 11:18 AM, drago01 wrote: >> >> But there seems to be a huge oppositions against that in Fedora. >> How does Ubuntu build there ARM builds? Native or using cross compilers? > > > Native. As do Debian I believe. I think, but ar

Re: H.264 in Fedora 17!

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 21, 2012 12:47 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Avi אבי Alkalay אלקלעי wrote: > > What are the legal tools that Ubuntu uses so it can ship H.264 ? > > It's based on the Isle of Man, not in the USA. Which doesn't provide that much protection as a couple of online poker companies recently disc

Re: H.264 in Fedora 17!

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 21, 2012 2:30 AM, "Fedora Video" wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Note that Debian does include a decoder by default for both MP3 and >> H.264 but they can only do so because they are a non-profit and the >> worst case scenario is a injunction until

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chris Tyler wrote: >> On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 02:38 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> And finally, for our build speed issue, the practical consideration will >>> be whether the parallelism will actually speed our builds up. Right now >>> our build

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Brendan Conoboy wrote: >> Hypothetically speaking, if presented with an ARM system that builds >> packages, on average, 3x faster than x86, will you advocate that x86 be >> dropped to secondary and ARM be PA exclusively? > > Not if most comput

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
>>> Well people couldn't live without "dumbphones" either so this is >>> natural progress. >> >> They could. They had desktops or laptops. Most people would replace their >> phone in a day if it broke or were lost. A home computer? Weekend. Maybe >> next weekend. >> > > Most people that buy smart

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
> I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture > for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While > there is no doubt that the tablet/mobile market is growing rapidly, > The desktop and laptops are there to stay. > > Considering ARM as a primary archite

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 03/22/2012 01:38 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> (but the "multi-core" ARM setups actually present themselves as a >> multi-computer cluster, which is not supported by "make -j", not as >> a multi-CPU computer) > > FWIW, I'm pretty sure this i

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 12:57 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Kevin Kofler >> wrote: >>         > What do people buy these days? Phones, tablets, and TVs. Not >>         desktop >>         > computers. >> >> >>  

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> I see that this discussion has gone from ARM as a primary architecture >>> for Fedora to a general Tablets vs PC market discussion. IMHO, While >>> the

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 22, 2012 8:32 PM, "Michael Cronenworth" wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> I would still like you to consider the question of whether this holds >> for the Fedora case, though. Is Fedora as a project in fact suitable - >> either in current implementation, or in terms of our self-defini

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 22, 2012 8:47 PM, "Michael Cronenworth" wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> It doesn't seem like a huge over-reach to assume that any RH interest in >> ARM is more on the server side than a raging desire to take on Android >> and the iPad:) (Note: I don't have any sekrit inside info on

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 23, 2012 3:22 AM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, drago01 wrote: > >> The only ones where this is possible right now are actually x86 based > >> tablets. Even Windows 8 wont help here as M

Re: httpd 2.4 is coming, RFC on module packaging draft

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Joe Orton wrote: > httpd 2.4.1 packages are ready for dist-f18 and will be built early next > week.  Rebuilds will be required for all packages containing httpd > modules.  There are API changes in 2.4, so module packages may need > patches if upstream has not done

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:01:27 -0400 > DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. > > This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM. > Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder.

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:05:39 + > Peter Robinson wrote: > >> Trimslice has options of SSD or HDD as well so it would be no less of >> a real machine like a netwinder. >> >> http://trimslice.com/web/

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > DJ Delorie wrote: >> So buy a trimslice and use the internal SSD or sata disk.  The >> trimslice has everything the netwinder has (and more), and uses half >> the power. >> >> http://trimslice.com/web/ > > "Trim-Slice is the first desktop com

Re: Error: buildroot override already exists

2012-03-24 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Ricardo Argüello wrote: > Hi, > > I need to do a buildroot override for > jboss-connector-1.6-api-1.0.1-0.1.20120310git9dc9a5.fc17, in order to > compile picketbox-4.0.6-5 in F17: > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3929166 > > > But when I try t

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: >  Hi, > >>> they use a rather scary looking pile of development boards with very >>> poor I/O. >> >> Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI.  It's a very clean package, and >> I can get 80 MB/sec to my file server's disks.  That is neither >> "

Re: Managing the GNOME updates in Fedora

2012-03-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > At the moment the GNOME updates in Fedora are a bit of chaotic affair. > They mostly work, but only because of people like mclasen who spend > hours and hours building packages and putting everything together > manually. For 3.3.92 I experi

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 29, 2012 8:00 AM, "Paul Howarth" wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:16:25 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: > > maybe the tone was minimal rude because i do absolutely > > not understand why anyone can have the idea "hey let us > > remove the whole custom partitioning and replace with > > kickst

Re: Queries regarding python packages using setuptools

2012-03-30 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mar 30, 2012 6:34 PM, "Ankur Sinha" wrote: > > Hello, > > I have two queries that I'd like clarified please: > > 1. Is the setup.py file to be included in the rpm? I was under the > impression that this file is only required for building that package and > therefore should not be part of the rp

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Apr 2, 2012 11:10 PM, "Brendan Conoboy" wrote: > >> All builds must occur on Fedora-maintained build servers. >> >> FYI, this will require an additional koji-hub for each architecture trying >> to move to PA.  Generally agree, though. > > No

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
2012/4/3 Miloslav Trmač : > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> as such there are various expectations that the overall Fedora >>> experience will be consistent over all primary architectures. >> >> Can we quantify what the overall experience is that must be consistent?  I >

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 04/03/2012 04:03 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> On 04/03/2012 03:10 AM, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> >>> Let's make the list exhaustive; there needs to be a path to sure >>> success.  This means establishing a complete procedure where wh

Re: Feedback on secondary architecture promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
2012/4/3 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" : > On 04/03/2012 07:29 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> >>  I really don't care who pays for the hardware, just that we >> have hardware that meets the requirements for being in the colo. >> ongoing hardware costs will likely be from one of Fedora engineering, >> Relea

Re: Feedback on secondary architecture promotion requirements draft

2012-04-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >>> The rules are, it has to be rack mountable hardware >> >> Hmmm... how many Raspberry Pis can we fit in a rack? >> >> And at $35 each, spares would be cheaper than a warranty ;-) > > I don

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Robinson wrote: >> It's already been stated that 3D isn't a blocker for PA, but that the >> needs to be reasonable GUI support similar to that of the mainline >> project. > > "reasonable GUI

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:10:12PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: > >> > as such there are various expectations that the overall Fedora >> > experience will be consistent over all primary architectures. >> >> Can we quantify what the overall

Re: Feedback on secondary architecute promotion requirements draft

2012-04-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 08:10:12PM -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote: >>> > All supported platforms must have kernels built from the Fedora >>> > kernel SRPM and enabled by default in the spe

Re: disruptive libffi upgrade

2012-04-12 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Anthony Green wrote: > > Hello, > >  I recently release libffi 3.0.11, and ABI changes are mandating a .so >  number change.  Despite the ABI change, I suspect that simple rebuilds >  are all that will be required for dependent packages. > >  The ABI changes are si

Re: upcoming libdb/db4/compat-db reorganization

2012-04-17 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Joe Orton wrote: > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 02:21:36PM +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote: >> So the plan is: >> 1) remove 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7 from compat-db >> 2) put 4.8 to compat-db >> 3) make db4 a dead package >>    (db4 package name is not very descriptive any more as we

Re: Fedora 18 Release name voting and Poll for whether to continue naming releases

2012-04-25 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Miroslav Suchy wrote: > On 25.4.2012 15:05, Peter Jones wrote: >> >> On 04/24/2012 05:14 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> >>> I can keep only 3-5last releases in my poor head. >> >> >> Then just *don't*. F14 is the past. Let it go. > > > Tell it to Mythdora which is ba

Re: Fedora 17 Change Freeze

2012-05-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 05/01/2012 07:30 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> >> the fedora 17 schedule >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule lists the final >> change freeze as 2012-05-07 this means that you need to make sure that >> any changes you want i

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