Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ll the other times) can still use it -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: wine font changes system look and feel

2012-06-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
? At the fontconfig level all kinds of renaming tricks are possible (see the examples in fontpackages-devel) though as a rule it's better to avoid doing it here since it tends to have subtle side-effects -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
owners that blindly apply the latest firmware on release date -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
dora 18 vmware is going to make a killing selling a 'firmware' hypervisor that lets its customers run whatever they want without bios restrictions (and if you think MS can afford not to boot on vmware, you've not seen the inroads vmware made in the past years with MS customers)

Re: redhat-rpm-config and rpm-build (fwd)

2012-06-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
c tool and redhat-rpm-config is a redhat >> specific/proprietary add-on/plugin to it. > > Then add redhat-rpm-config as a buildrequire for all fedora packages. > (though that might be a catch22) +1 The main problem of redhat-rpm-config is not that it changes the way packages are buil

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
nd bypassing them with its own cache just works 4. Provide DNS for home network and cache external DNS -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: default DNS caching name server on Fedora ?

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
DNS 3 because that's what it integrates with, etc This is getting as bad as the spellchecker situation a few years ago. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18 DNF and history

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
n can we get a package downloader that sends the correct cache-control http headers to refresh data automatically instead of complaining metadata is wrong and aborting (for people behind a caching proxy)? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
adapt to system problems (inhibit reboot during updates) we're making the user adapt to system problems (add forced reboots were they were none before??) Isn't the system supposed to help the user, not the other way around? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

2012-06-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 22 juin 2012 13:40, Michal Hlavinka a écrit : > On 06/22/2012 01:16 PM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: >> Hi. >> >> On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:28:14 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >>> And instead of making the system adapt to system problems (inhibit >>>

Re: poppler soname bump in rawhide

2012-06-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
libpoppler.so.19()(64bit) Installed: poppler-0.20.0-1.fc18.x86_64 (@koji-f18-builds) Not found You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list de

Re: poppler soname bump in rawhide

2012-06-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 23 juin 2012 21:53, Rex Dieter a écrit : > OK, got it fixed now, > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=327259 Many thanks! -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: poppler soname bump in rawhide

2012-06-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 27 juin 2012 10:02, Marek Kasik a écrit : > On 06/23/2012 11:15 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Ven 22 juin 2012 14:04, Marek Kasik a écrit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> I plan to rebase poppler in rawhide to poppler-0.20.1 at the end of next >&g

Re: yum & "pragma: no-cache" (was Re: F18 DNF and history)

2012-07-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 22 juin 2012 15:22, Reindl Harald a écrit : > > > Am 22.06.2012 15:17, schrieb Zdenek Pavlas: >>> From: "Nicolas Mailhot" >>> can we get a package downloader that sends the correct >>> cache-control http headers to refresh data automaticall

STIX fonts updates

2012-07-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, After some procrastination time I've bumped STIX fonts to 1.1 in Rawhide. This is a major release (1 year and a half work upstream IIRC) The font layout and naming has been changed to something approaching sanity, and the complexfont piles only TEX ma -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel ma

Heads up: STIX fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
sh this update to current and past releases. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Firefox: Font packages for MathML

2012-07-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ts font needs and make use of all the existing plumbing. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
edge (or not) has any legal bearing on the copyrightability of past contributions. (don't like the legal requirements of some work? just don't acknowledge it!) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
rent design by Mozilla. And that opens the door to tracking hell. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 13 février 2014 15:47, Nikos Roussos a écrit : > On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Mer 12 février 2014 17:20, Nikos Roussos a écrit : >> >> > The "New Tab" feature will provide quick access to popular sites in >> the >

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
neering degree to realise user processing in the browser + advertiser logs (of the ad picture or the ad link) = tracking by the advertiser of all people that match the processing rules -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming

2014-03-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
names to the new ones Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Lohit Odia Gurumukhi font naming

2014-03-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 6 mars 2014 05:28, pravin@gmail.com a écrit : > Valid point. > I will fix this by adding fontconfig Aliases. We can keep it for couple of > releases. It costs little to keep them forever now Documents have a very long lifetime -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing l

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
despite being years out of date and unmaintained, and despite the boatloads of better FLOSS fonts which have been released in the past years. I'm sure they are still in Fedora install howtos. THAT's how badly users want human interface stability, be it on the server or the desktop sid

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
asy to use webdav substitute (plus windows dav clients suck) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t with each other, just conveying information from the development teams to the security people is a full time job. Something that is widely understood and can be done by rote by less-clueful people to harden things a bit is not to be spurned. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing

Re: Unexpected NIC naming f23 firewall implications

2015-11-08 Thread nicolas . mailhot
ould keep the install-time naming or whatever the admin (not the system) changed it to later (Guess I know now why I have a headless system to rescue) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code o

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
mart judge decided in a huge trial with some of the countries top lawyers involved. I don't have any clear idea what is not substantial enough to qualify for copyright, but this very simple code did https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3940683 -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> Please consider that in the Oracle vs Google case, Oracle ended up with >> 9-line copying (plus a few test files), and the judge decided that *as* >> *a* *matter* *of* *law* copyright infringement had occur

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:33:26 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> Please consider that in the Oracle vs Google case, Oracle ended up with >> 9-line copying (plus a few test files), and the judge decided that *as* >> *a* *matter* *of* *law* copyright infringement had occur

Re: Liberation 2.0 font development plan based on croscore fonts.

2012-07-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
roject should probably be split in two: Liberation v2 with OFL license gased on Google files, and v1 keeping only Narrows with the old Liberation License -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
under the new licence and is committing fencing (or something similar, I don't know the exact English term) That's why people are concerned here (both at this exact incident and at the approach advocated for packaging legal checks) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@list

Re: preventing known-damaging third-party to fedora/epel package upgrade?

2012-07-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi, In an ideal world, when pm is asked to update from a package with no protections, to a package which has files marked as config or config(noreplace), should not it apply the config attributes to the package beeing replaced? Or are there cases where it is not desirable? -- Nicolas Mailhot

Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
hing missing in the other files, please tell me what it is and I'll fix the packages. And that's all for this notification. Needless to say for this level of changes those packages will only be available in F18 after F18 QA and won't ever be pushed to previous Fedora versions. Best

Re: Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Hi Dave, Thanks for the quick answer! > On 15 July 2012 21:42, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> A. I used a few hundred MiBs of Android git checkout as source. > > That's the canonical source for Droid, yes. > > (The Roboto fonts in that repo has ano

Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> On 07/15/2012 06:01 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>>> C. I tried to dispatch the Arabic variants in the Latin family they >>>> were >>>> >> designed to complement, but I may have misunderstood the design >>>> info >>>> >&g

Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> >> On 07/15/2012 06:01 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >>>>> C. I tried to dispatch the Arabic variants in the Latin family they >>>>> were >>>>> >> designed to complement, but I may have misunderstood the design >>>>

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
king the hints are actually better than autohinting) not an opt-out. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
n part by the Google Web Font project, that works on the same set of FLOSS fonts as us, to provide freetype autohinter-like results to windows users. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
nd sudden thickness jumps when moving from one size to another. So they are not well hinted either. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 25 juillet 2012 14:55, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > On 07/16/2012 02:00 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> So make kufi a separate family and keep the old droid sans arabic for >> sans? Or is it also horrible in some way? > > I'd say yes. Ok then I'

Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
s : if we don't hide the various lang-specific droid names to the user, it only takes two or three droid-like families to make font selection totally unusable in most apps. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide

2012-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ts to exercise it, the problem is now to catch up with the possibilities offered by recent font projects. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rawhide report: 20120824 changes

2012-08-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
hing. Is that expected? I think it has been reported several times already, but why the hell is this check done at run time and not via packages reqs? If the check is useless it should not be done at all. If it's useful why are we allowing broken combinations to hit user systems? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Packaging software compatible with only one Fedora release

2012-08-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
on one end as an atomic requirement (it's an annoying limitation, but the positive side-effect is that it forced people to give up on strict version locking and packages upgrade by default). -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bundled/embedded data in a package

2012-09-14 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
should unbundle it and create a separate package. I don't think CMAP has security implications, but projects that bundle old versions of the Adobe datafiles will behave in non-optimal ways when they hit a font/text combination that requires a mapping Adobe introduced in a later version. --

Re: Bundled/embedded data in a package

2012-09-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 15 septembre 2012 20:53, Rex Dieter a écrit : > Ben Rosser wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Nicolas Mailhot < >> nicolas.mail...@laposte.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Adobe CMAP is used by lots of font, ps and pdf related apps and II

Re: Bundled/embedded data in a package

2012-09-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
cmap data? A first order approximation would be a repoquery on significant file name patterns If that does not work, check everything involved in creating pdfs of maniputaling fonts. Another good idea would be to ask debian-side as they had their own cmap unbundling to do Best regards, -

Re: Bundled/embedded data in a package

2012-09-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 21 septembre 2012 13:36, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > Le Jeu 20 septembre 2012 23:38, Ben Rosser a écrit : >> Here's a preliminary cmap rpm review request: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859246 >> >> So far, the only package I've

Re: minimal install [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> one may say "disk storage is nothing these days" > iw ould say: mulitply it with 20, 50, 100 virtual machines > on really expensive SAN-storage where "disk space is cheap" > is not true And I would say : get an entreprisey deduping san -- Nicolas Mailh

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ey end up typing them in the username field (because whatever they use to switch fields didn't work this time) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [FYI] Motif finally opened under LGPL

2012-10-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
write it to work with wayland -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
re is no time Fedora-side to do any QA and fixing before pushing a new GNOME release to users. (two high-visibility examples anyone can understand, not necessarily the worst offenders and systemd people at least seem to have improved their workflow a little over time) Adding time to the end of the

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ing all the Fedora test releases. It may seem excessive but the current it-says-it-is-stable-push-it-to-users-without-testing policy has not been good for both of the projects I think. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
time is eaten up by development that is supposed to have started in Rawhide). Signing rawhide would be cheap compared to the costs induced by the current situation. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 22:33, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 17:04 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> You proposal may work *if* GNOME people take care to respect it. >> Otherwise >> — yes the nuclear option is to only distribute GNOME releases that were

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
forget about all the automated mass installation processes where you do absolutely want to feed a kickstart to the installer and have it configure everything in one go. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t want plymouth to > put in the initramfs?) It works fine. The only thing that used to peg plymouth were some package deps, and they've been removed lately Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ource use (yes they exist) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Yum Package Remove Order

2012-11-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
own them in %files, and have dependant rpms depend on your package then everything will work fine -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

2012-12-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
products find no new buyers). Do we really want to go this way at the Fedora level? Our angle was more to enable a sustainable software ecosystem, that didn't need regular cash infusions to replace applications that became irrelevant due to lack of maintenance. -- Nicolas Mailhot --

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
stemd+syslog hosed systems a few weeks ago, so the reliability of the systemd parts is anything but proven so far. And I'm quite sure there are scores of nasty surprises to find yet. For example, systemd still does not like being updated by yum, and I'm pretty sure no one looked at the jour

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:39, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Mon, 15.07.13 15:34, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) > wrote: > >> >> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 13:23, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> > On Mon, 15.07.13 11:11, Miroslav Suchý (msu...@redhat.

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Mon, 15.07.13 15:42, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) > wrote: > >> > Any references to open bugs about this? >> >> not really, since one of the things I've not figured out yet is how

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
nt occurred, and the data is not parsed by journald nor relayed to syslog. This is seriously underwhelming. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
select iso-8601 dates by default over existing locales. See also “English in Denmark” — which besides being ridiculous only helps English speakers) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 16 juillet 2013 13:25, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Tue, 16.07.13 11:37, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) > wrote: > >> >> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 15:47, Lennart Poettering a écrit : >> >> > There's the general problem that o

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 16 juillet 2013 13:54, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Tue, 16.07.13 11:49, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) > wrote: > >> >> Le Lun 15 juillet 2013 20:09, Till Maas a écrit : >> > Also it is sad that journalctl does not directly accept ISO 86

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
s to read, but not really for > humans. > > Note that in all other places we tend to use date format like this: "Tue > 2013-07-16 18:41:57 CEST" Which is close to ISO, but not ISO. While replacing T with space is common (even though it will break field tokenization in many ap

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
k... > > This is such an extreme use case and as pointed out by Lennart as well is > not viable on current systems anyway without huge hoop jumping... Without sounding too blunt, this is business as usual from a repair end-user system point of view. I had dozens of such "oh btw can you f

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ite sure they comprise a large part of the home linux market. Linux is solid server-side but the desktop-side is far from there (and has been busy dismantling the bits that made server linux reliable) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
dds an ISO output mode to journalctl. "journalctl -o short-iso" is your > friend. Thank you very much (and Tomasz of course), that's awesome turnaround. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ich *will* eventually come). Some people really need some breakage to notice they're missing a migration. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:30, Daniel P. Berrange a écrit : > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 05:16:03PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Ven 19 juillet 2013 17:04, Tomas Mraz a écrit : >> > On Fri, 2013-07-19 at 10:17 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> >> >&g

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
quot;it is not available on non-*nix systems" it ended up badly the first time there was an error to handle. And I'm quite sure any security audit of their SMTP logic would have been dreadful. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
it's good enough you have nothing to fear about MTA competition. If you do need MTA removal to get your stuff adopted, well, that only tells me your stuff is crap. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Multirelease effort: Moving to Python 3

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t modification. How exactly is it different from when gcc grew standard C++ behaviour and most C++ apps broke right and left? http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-2.96.html -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
rs read the fucking manual Hypothesys 2: whatever's is in theirs Linux system at any moment represents their view of the Linux state Make your choice -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
led the applet that used to warn users when a service failed at startup) So please do come back when there is some actual tangible progress on this front. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Dim 21 juillet 2013 09:17, drago01 a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le Sam 20 juillet 2013 21:14, Adam Williamson a écrit : >> >>> I asked for evidence, not hypotheses. All you are currently doing is >>> m

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Dim 21 juillet 2013 16:05, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 08:58:39AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> it. Yet the "something better" never materialized. When I had a disk go >> wrong lately I was notified by the big ugly legacy system. I had *zer

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Dim 21 juillet 2013 20:24, Chris Murphy a écrit : > > On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:55 AM, "Nicolas Mailhot" > wrote: >> (state-of-the-art as in, what are Google >> and Amazon using to notify their users of events? Mail messages!> > > If you're talkin

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-21 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> Returning to the .rpmnew point, isn't it possible to have the web > service include an alternative configuration file which would override > the defaults? That way the "pristine" configuration file from RPM > would be unchanged, and therefore upgradable. Another possib

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ndustry term for "static bits used as > dependencies for websites". I've never heard of anyone being scared > of it. resources may be more neutral than assets Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
avoid bundled libs easy enough to use. You won't get Fedora used more by adopting other OSes problems, you will get it used more by solving the problems of Fedora and by playing of Fedora strengths. Nobody cares about also-rans. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorap

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
g it's seen as hard. It's not hard for us because all our build infra has been designed around unbundling. It's hard for others because there are no easy way to set up a build infra that follows our rules, and can be used to create binaries for other systems too (that's where OBS is brilliant) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
#x27;t do itself. It's another thing when the licensing actually prohibits distribution, but we don't have those in Fedora, and people that deploy such fonts in Fedora can write deny apache rules themselves (though providing a sample of tuch a rule would be good) Regards

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:37, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > Desktop selection logic is no different. It's all about "time/cost to be > operational". If you reduce this (perceived) time/cost, you'll see > startups adopting Fedora in droves, because startups only ca

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:56, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/22/2013 11:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> 3. lack of clearly defined LAN infra : Windows comes with AD and >> local network sharing, our desktop

Re: Proposal: ReadOnlyDirectories /etc and /usr for network-services

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
dOnlyDirectories=/etc > ReadOnlyDirectories=/usr It would be very nice if write-protection of FHS-defined RO directories was applied by default, except for the software updater or during explicit maintenance operations. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
v time to do "cool stuff" without worrying about logistics. Desktop selection logic is no different. It's all about "time/cost to be operational". If you reduce this (perceived) time/cost, you'll see startups adopting Fedora in droves, because startups only care about g

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 18:01, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 07/22/2013 11:53 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 17:27, Matthew Miller a écrit : >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 09:51:37AM -0500

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
perform async background computing. And many cron messages are not "logs" they're notifications of an event the cron is polling for, or submission of job results. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
hat does not depend on running the MUA when the network comes back. To be sure, it would be cleaner it the connexion user when relaying depended on the system user that emitted the message. I've not checked if it was possible or easy to do it. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- de

Re: Webapps denying all outside access by default?

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
on, I would say that packaged webapps is the only reason a startup would be interested in Fedora (though to be honest it would probably run at least part of its infra on centos) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 19:28, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:53:24PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> What makes cron and smtpd work well together is that they both perform >> async background computing. And many cron messages are not "logs" >&

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
r to add the 'send as different used depending on the system user' to the central MTA (and make smtp an actual system service) than to try to fix all the MUAs Fedora ships. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 20:23, Adam Williamson a écrit : > Just before this one gets any worse: it was Nicolas Mailhot who started > talking about banks sending email for some reason, not Miloslav. Please do not attribute me what I didn't write. I didn't bring banks i

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Sendmail

2013-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
emselves are several orders of magnitude more robust than all the other bits we install (including, right now, systemd). So the picture is clearly mixed. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
hey usually make headlines for the astronomic amount of money that was required to fix IT. I doubt Fedora has the resources to perform such a crash fixup program if the conditions to need one are created. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraprojec

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