Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 September 2012 18:35, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 09/02/2012 02:26 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> There's also a: >> Skipping missing group 'base' >> at the start of the livecd-creator process. > > > What repository are you pointing the inst

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 September 2012 23:17, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 09/24/2012 03:00 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> The command is this: >> livecd-creator --config=/fedora-jam/fedora-live-jam-kde-raw.ks >> --fslabel=Fedora18-Jam --cache=/var/cache/live --releasever=18 >> >&g

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 September 2012 00:27, Ian Malone wrote: > On 24 September 2012 23:17, Jesse Keating wrote: >> On 09/24/2012 03:00 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> The command is this: >>> livecd-creator --config=/fedora-jam/fedora-live-jam-kde-raw.ks >>> -

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 September 2012 01:25, Ian Malone wrote: > On 25 September 2012 00:27, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 24 September 2012 23:17, Jesse Keating wrote: >>> On 09/24/2012 03:00 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> >>>> The command is this: >>>> livecd-c

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-26 Thread Ian Malone
On 26 September 2012 01:04, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 01:25 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > > All official Fedora composes are done using spin-kickstarts git, not the > packaged spin-kickstarts. The packaged spin-kickstarts tends to lag > behind git rather a lot b

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-26 Thread Ian Malone
On 26 September 2012 22:42, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 10:42 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> Okay, thanks. That seems to have fixed a number of issues for me. The >> wodim/genisoimage problem I originally reported has stopped >> complaining, though that se

Re: dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 September 2012 13:13, wrote: >> From: Adam Williamson >> Bugzilla goes by .src.rpm name not binary rpm >> name. rpm -qi can tell you the .src.rpm from which any binary package >> was built. > > I used to get tripped up on this too and I've been doing Linux since the RHL > 4.0 days. In som

Re: [FYI] Motif finally opened under LGPL

2012-10-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 October 2012 14:43, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 03:20:01PM +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: >> > Are there any particular drawbacks to lesstif at this point? >> It's been a few years I looked at this, but the lesstif implementation >> was incomlete/buggy and some apps didn't r

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 November 2012 17:33, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: >> I didn't want to throw this grenade into the debate, but now someone >> else has, I'll just note that I was in favour of this before and I'm >> still in favour of it now. :) Rolling release is a model that makes >> cl

pulseaudio issue, any dbus exports?

2012-11-06 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm trying to sort out a pulseaudio issue. It's failing to acknowledge a request (from Jack) to release a device. I've tried the pulseaudio list but haven't had any answers. The full thread is here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio-discuss/2012-November/015210.html This is an

Re: Problem with jack update

2012-11-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 November 2012 04:40, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Hi all, > > A few months ago earlier in the F-17 release cycle, we had a problem > with jackd turning verbose, flooding the stdout, even when its > verbosity was turned off. This was a bug [1] in the compiler, > specifically in the optimized builds

Re: Problem with jack update

2012-11-16 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 November 2012 23:20, Ian Malone wrote: > On 15 November 2012 04:40, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> A few months ago earlier in the F-17 release cycle, we had a problem >> with jackd turning verbose, flooding the stdout, even when its >> verbosity

Re: Problem with jack update

2012-11-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 November 2012 03:09, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 15 November 2012 23:20, Ian Malone wrote: >>> On 15 November 2012 04:40, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> A few months a

Re: Problem with jack update

2012-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 November 2012 07:20, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 11/17/2012 09:42 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 17 November 2012 03:09, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> >>>> On 15 November 2012 23:

Re: Nvidia driver in F18?

2012-11-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 November 2012 10:58, Erwin Waterlander wrote: > Hi, > > Has the Nvidia driver been improved in f18? > > I have an Nvidia GeForce GT220. When I upgraded from f14 to f16 and then to > f17 I had to go through a lot of trouble, because Anaconda gave me a black > screen every time between 1 and 5

Re: RFC: Proposal for a more agile "Fedora.next" (draft of my Flock talk)

2013-07-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 July 2013 03:32, Subhendu Ghosh wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> >> > >> > In the OS/App differentiation, you are expecting each is coming from a >> > different source. >> > Apps are either boxed, or coming from a project. >> > The app provider should fi

bisect on fedora kernels

2013-08-20 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I've got a kernel bug where a developer has asked me to try a git bisect. Does anyone have tips for doing a kernel bisect with fedora kernel packages? I found a koji bisect thing, but the last known good kernel is prior to the fedora release the machine is currently running, so not sure that is

Re: bisect on fedora kernels

2013-08-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 August 2013 13:50, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> Hi, I've got a kernel bug where a developer has asked me to try a git >> bisect. Does anyone have tips for doing a kernel bisect with fedora >> kernel packages? I found a

Re: RFC: Spins process changes proposal

2013-08-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 August 2013 19:29, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Each approved spin MUST have at least 1 person fill in a basic spin > test matrix for at least 1 TC or RC in order to be shipped with Alpha. > > If the image fails or there are no test results maintainers can try > again at the next milestone, but the

Re: F20 release name election?

2013-08-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 August 2013 16:38, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Mathieu Bridon > wrote: >> On Friday, August 23, 2013 08:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Wouters >>> wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Au

Re: [RFC] Easiest making kernel rpms from upstream git

2013-08-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 August 2013 14:53, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Today I've wrote article w/ many notes about bisecting kernel [0], but > I've used make bzImage, make install and the same commands bypassing RPM > and I have IMHO good idea to write utility, that will be build rpm w/o/ > Fedora patches, changelogs,

Re: bisect on fedora kernels

2013-08-28 Thread Ian Malone
> On 20 August 2013 13:50, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> That shouldn't really be an issue for the most part. It would only >> impact you if you're hitting issues in an area where the config >> options differ between releases, and those are fairly uncommon. You >> can try using koji bisect to start w

Re: bisect on fedora kernels

2013-08-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 August 2013 01:53, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> Just to follow up, thanks, your instructions for building worked fine >> (I'd worried it wouldn't be so straightforward). Thought I'd best >> mention koji-bise

Re: bisect on fedora kernels

2013-08-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 August 2013 13:32, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Strange. The source is definitely still on that machine. I'll look >> into why it's not showing up on the webpage. > > Ok, you can clone it with: > > git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~jwboyer/koj

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 August 2013 15:50, Ondrej Vasik wrote: > On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 08:21 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said: >> - The "user@" is mostly useless; if you su/sudo to root, the character >> at the end of the prompt changes from $ to #. The only time I

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 September 2013 20:53, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 09/09/2013 07:53 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> I'd like to add myself as another datapoint for 'uses different >> users', and often via ssh. In any case, that bash prompt trick surely >&g

Re: Wider feedback requested on two changes to our base/core defaults

2013-09-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 September 2013 06:45, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 09/09/2013 10:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Thank you for the put down. However, firstly I'm not referring to the >> fqdn issue, but the mention of dropping user name and secondly I'm not

Re: does mc really require perl*?

2013-09-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 September 2013 08:05, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > On 09/10/2013 08:25 AM, Dan Horák wrote: >>> >>> >I did a TC5 minimal install last night, which omitted mc, my most >>> >used cmdline tool. So: >>> > >>> ># yum install mc >>> >... installing for dependencies: >>> >gpm-libs (which I never ever us

F20 KDE session login options

2013-09-11 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, Looking at the installed login session options from SDDM on F20 Alpha TC5 for Fedora Jam x86_64 there is a session listed 'custom' alongside failsafe, KDE and KDE failsafe. This option doesn't log in to anything and kicks the user back to the login screen, it also seems to be the default sessi

Re: F20 KDE session login options

2013-09-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 September 2013 08:34, Martin Briza wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:17:48 +0200, Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > >> On Thu, 2013-09-12 at 00:13 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1. This is the case for the KDE live CD install too. >>&g

Re: let's just use Schroedingers Katze as the fedora 19 release name

2013-03-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 March 2013 22:02, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:40:06 -0600 > Chris Murphy wrote: > >> >> On Mar 21, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Martin Sourada >> wrote: >> > >> > Schroedinger Cat sounds much more natural then Cat of Schroedinger… >> >> Except it's linguistically incorrect. Cat of S

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 May 2013 23:42, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 4 May 2013 15:22:01 -0700 > Dan Mashal wrote: > > > > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > > http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/05/04/1248242/fedora-19-to-stop-masking-passwords > > > > > > Well, that escalated quickl

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI?decision?

2013-05-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 May 2013 19:23, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Another opinion. > > It is possible to study such things, and even give caveats and error > bounds to show uncertainty. > > Yes and no. It's possible it a tightly defined setting with specified outcomes. Since a crucial factors here include how li

timeliness Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 May 2013 05:44, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-05-09 00:02 (GMT-0400) Adam Williamson composed: > > > On Wed, 2013-05-08 at 22:36 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> > > On 2013-05-08 10:09 (GMT+0200) Pierre-Yves Chibon composed: >>> >> > > you are replying to a 4 days old email on a thread that i

Re: What to move to?

2013-05-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 May 2013 11:21, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 04/18/2013 01:08 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > >> Florian Weimer wrote: >> >>> Yes, Ada has some nice features. At least there are real arrays, but >>> they are somewhat cumbersome to work with, compared to Java, Python or, >>> well, C pointers. The

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 July 2013 08:47, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le mercredi 03 juillet 2013 à 09:44 +0200, Johannes Lips a écrit : >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM, drago01 wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Dan Mashal >> wrote: >> > On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Pierr

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 July 2013 20:48, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 2013-07-03 2:28, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Tooling issues aside (and it is undesireable that bugs should get >> marked fixed if they haven't been) I think this rule is wrong under a >> strict reading. If an update cla

Re: F24, small backward steps

2016-09-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 September 2016 at 21:24, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 13 September 2016 at 16:03, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > OK this is the most frustrating of a TON of frustrating parts of this > conversation. > > 1. WHY DO WE SHIP PACKAGES THAT WE 'KNOW' AREN'T MAINTAINED? > 2. Why are people 'maint

Re: Am I the only one who missed the election?

2012-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 December 2012 15:25, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:20:55 -0500 (EST), Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> > > >> > > I think this is not good - every contributor should be subscribed >> > > to >> > > announce list (with cla_done). >> > >> > So you're blaming people who didn't reci

Re: Am I the only one who missed the election?

2012-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 December 2012 16:02, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:28:22 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> >> > > I think this is not good - every contributor should be subscribed >> >> > > to >> >> > > announce list (with cl

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2013 04:10, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 01/08/2013 09:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> Greetings. >> >> I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with >> something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a >> fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2013 12:23, Ian Malone wrote: > Down-sides, there'd no longer be a live-cd/dvd as a 'demo' system. You > could only try out the formula on an installed system. It looks though > like people are already suggesting overlaying a formula somehow to > cre

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 January 2013 23:51, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Brendan Jones wrote: >> The main problem we have with kickstarts at the moment is that there is >> no way (according to current packaging guidelines) to alter files owned >> by other packages. > > This is just plain impossible anyway (except for conf

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2013 19:07, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:01:03 + > Ian Malone wrote: > >> KDE favourites: >> For a spin (or formula) it makes sense that the favourites should >> reflect the spin (or formula) focus. The kickstart updates this >

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2013 17:02, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> KDE favourites: >> For a spin (or formula) it makes sense that the favourites should >> reflect the spin (or formula) focus. The kickstart updates this >> through /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickof

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 January 2013 01:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/17/2013 07:00 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: >> >> Yes, I'd veto btrfs as the default as well. I lost a huge chunk of >> data on a btrfs partition a while back, with *no* diagnostics, >> recovery tools, help from Google, etc. Screw speed -

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 January 2013 17:19, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 01/18/2013 10:50 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> I suggest sdfs as the new default filesystem, you cannot veto it, but >> highlighting critical bugs will be beneficial. Please post bugzilla links >> rather than descripti

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Ian Malone
On 31 January 2013 09:07, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: >> This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is >> to set LC_ALL to a known-good locale, but then your users get no benefit >> from the translations of er

Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-01-31 Thread Ian Malone
On 31 January 2013 15:04, Ian Malone wrote: > On 31 January 2013 09:07, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05:16AM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: >>> This makes it difficult to call system commands. The only workaround is >>> to set LC_ALL to a known

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ian Malone
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas wrote: > I wouldn't say Fedora "follows blindly" but rather chooses an upstream from > some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot > the criterias). Gnome has been the default, unless I'm misremebering since *before* Fedora (RH8

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada > wrote: >> * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's >>target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of >>those are seeing this as arrogance. > > Being d

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 February 2013 12:52, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:34 +0000, Ian Malone a écrit : >> On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 wrote: >> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada >> > wrote: >> >> >> * Gnome 3's

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 February 2013 12:25, drago01 wrote: > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >>>> * Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you >>>>way. >>> >>> Sure by giving you an extension system that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 February 2013 07:15, Casey Dahlin wrote: > On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:34:34AM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> Gnome 2 slowly returned to the old behaviour in many ways. Gnome 3 is >> starting to do this. >> > > As someone who, I presume, does not like Gnome 3,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 February 2013 22:24, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> On record? Is there going to be a trial? >> What frustrates me is it's such an uphill battle. >> Step 1: Everything changes. >> Step 2: Users protest, some leave. >> Step 3: Suppor

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 February 2013 10:37, Olav Vitters wrote: > I'm trying to collect feedback, I'd expect some respect instead of one > liners. Loads of people working in Fedora don't follow devel@ because of > the attitude displayed here. I often get questioned wtf I spend the time > to proceed anyway. > It

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 February 2013 12:57, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On 02/18/2013 07:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 18 February 2013 10:37, Olav Vitters wrote: >> >> >>> I'm trying to collect feedback, I'd expect some respect instead of one >>> liner

Re: Abrt (was Re: Most buggy packages)

2013-02-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 February 2013 18:24, David Malcolm wrote: > On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 08:04 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 19 February 2013 12:13, David Malcolm wrote: >> >> Question: does a python segfault from a broken script indicate a >> python bug as well? The scripting

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 5 March 2013 17:52, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:44:39 -0500 > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> This is local testing that has been done in concert with the feature >> to add enterprise login support to Anaconda/firstboot. There's >> currently no way to actually install from Rawhide

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 March 2013 20:43, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Björn Persson > wrote: >> Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> > If some text like "Press Esc now to choose which operating system to >>> > boot." would be displayed, then the pause would need to be long enough >>> > for the user

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 March 2013 22:13, Simo Sorce wrote: > Why should the default configuration be ugly, slow, and biased toward > handling the odd case when things break ? > I confess I've only been lightly skimming this entire deeply interesting thread, on which more man hours have almost certainly now been

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared >>> towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to >>> less-knowledgeable users." >> I'd call this to be an urban leg

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 March 2013 15:07, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13.3.2013 14:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): >> >> Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not >> sure what it is anymore. > > > Are you suggesting that we should exclude them? >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 08:04, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things >> the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. >> > >> If we have to compromise on just papering it over for Alpha,

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:03, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: > >> > Fixing an apostrophe – no Umlaut, not apostrophe. > >> > Fixing our UTF-8 handling – definitely yes > > The issue here is not only about the Fedora's release name rather than > fix

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:24, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : > >> and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a >> bit silly. > > The perception correct UTF-8 handling is a triviality that should be > w

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:41, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 12:27, Ian Malone a écrit : >> On 19 March 2013 11:24, Nicolas Mailhot >> wrote: >>> >>> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : >>> >>>> and holding up the re

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 12:20, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 19.3.2013 12:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): > >> On 19 March 2013 11:03, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: >>> >>>>> Fixing an apostrophe –

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 March 2013 15:35, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/20/2013 03:59 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: >> >> On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 14:29 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > >> hi, state my point of view , my last email just go to Chris Murphy >> thing is, we introduce one ö (my keyboard don't have it) is like what

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 March 2013 23:35, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:24 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : >> >> > and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a >> > bit si

Re: Trig functions from math.h

2014-11-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 26 November 2014 at 19:06, Les Howell wrote: > Gentle developers: > I have some older code that used to compile, which I wish to reuse and > maybe redesign. However the code is C and uses the sinf function, which > seems to have disappeared from math.h. Can anyone tell me where this >

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 December 2014 at 20:55, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: >>> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number at >>> all? >>> Even to get a trend? >> >> >> no n

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 08:38, Paul Howarth wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 07:41:52 +0100 > Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just happened to look at the firewalld default settings, and I was >> not amused when I noticed this: >> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/firewalld.git/tree/FedoraWorksta

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 12:02, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Reindl Harald" >> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 1:26:29 PM >> Subject: Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall >> >> >> >> Am 08.12.2014 um 12:22

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 13:45, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:11:40PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >>> You're free to select another firewall zone >> And free to move to another distro of course. > > Well, or free to select another Fe

Re: Are both the audio and jackuser groups necessary?

2014-12-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 15:15, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Hi, > > A perhaps naive question, but is it really necessary to have both the > "audio" and "jackuser" groups? Could these not be consolidated moving > forward? > jackuser is used for realtime priority and memlock rights, /etc/security/limi

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 11:35, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-08 at 10:49 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> If Reindl, Kevin or Tomas want to disagree with that, I'll give you a >> little >> exercise: >> Having just installed and updated my Fedora 20, I want to share a >> video in my >> ho

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 December 2014 at 15:33, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 02:31:58PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> There are three products: workstation, server, cloud. Workstation is >> the one for desktop use. That leaves server to aim for the traditional >> fedora user

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> > have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the >> > Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional >>

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller wrote: >> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> > have a proposal for a new spi

Re: "Workstation" Product defaults to wide-open firewall

2014-12-10 Thread Ian Malone
gt;> >> wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> > have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the >> >> >> > Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could

Re: Poll: How users use DNF

2014-12-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 December 2014 at 17:28, Radek Holy wrote: > Dear users of YUM and DNF, > > I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very > grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF > currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly i

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 December 2014 at 21:53, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2014-12-27 at 15:57 +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >> >> Actually we do have a VLTS (Very Long Term Support) release, CentOS, >> especially now that they've joined the family, but the connection is >> not immediately apparent. > >

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> Minor correction, CentOS is unbranded RHEL and Fedora is not RHEL >> upstream (so far as I am aware anyway). > > > That is incorrect.

Re: Ramblings and questions regarding Fedora, but stemming from gnome-software and desktop environments

2014-12-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 December 2014 at 13:13, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Ian Malone [30/12/2014 13:09] : >> >> On 30 December 2014 at 01:26, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> > That is incorrect. Fedora is upstream for RHEL and therefore upstream for >> > CentOS as well

Re: Abotu setting 'PermitRootLogin=no' in sshd_config

2015-01-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2015 at 09:20, Milan Keršláger wrote: >> Hello, >> > 4) Blocking root access means forcing admins to log as normal user and > then do su/sudo and providing root password, which is far less secure > than disable root password authentication and allow login to root with > SSH key

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

2015-01-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:53:23 + (UTC) > P J P wrote: > >> IMO, the ones opposing are those who fear their current >> setups/practices would break. Because they need remote 'root' access >> in their set-up. Which is a genuine use-case. And to su

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 January 2015 at 19:10, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 01/27/2015 07:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > All those are warnings, not "garbage" or debug output. File bugs about > those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. > > Shouldn't they trigger abrt then? more importantly, is it pos

Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies

2015-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 February 2015 at 13:06, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:49:13 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> On Thu, 2015-02-12 at 20:18 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: >> > On 12/02/15 19:32, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > > (Logistical note: please keep all replies to this thread on >> > >

Re: How to become a packager (was: Re: [Proposal] Ring-based Packaging Policies)

2015-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 February 2015 at 15:35, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:00:07 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Actually, a question I have about this is how it will impact people >> trying to become maintainers. When I last checked (it may have >> changed) the on

troubleshooting wireless network issue

2017-03-29 Thread Ian Malone
Does anyone have suggestions on troubleshooting an issue with apparently intermittent wifi on Fedora after upgrade to 25? The machine is working okay in its location on windows and was okay on F22, and other devices are alright on the access point. The networkmanager status (KDE) doesn't show the c

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 November 2013 00:11, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > HI > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> Honestly, I don't think Software is really aimed at your use case, and >> you may as well just keep using yum. It's meant to be a cool way to find >> neat software, not a compre

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 November 2013 21:47, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:28:46 -0500 (EST), Christian Schaller wrote: > >> Hi, >> The core principle of the installer is that it operates on an application >> level and not a package level. The current way it determines if something is >> an appli

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 November 2013 15:06, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:35:41 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> > Please don't let it install applications, which cannot be started via the >> > graphical desktop user interface (such as a menu system or a list of >&g

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-10 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 November 2013 20:55, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 18:02:46 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> You are arguing that system management should only be possible through >> a GUI where the affected components are themselves graphical. > > No, not at all. >

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 November 2013 04:33, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:50:11PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Oh, hey, look. That place is rapidly becoming the 'crap, we don't know >> where to put this' dumping ground for GNOME 3, isn't it? > > It has been there since 3.0 AFAIK, so rapidly

Re: [pkgdb2] call for testers, bug reports and RFE

2013-12-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 November 2013 16:59, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 04:57:38PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:52:27 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: >> >> > The development instance of pkgdb2 is at: >> > >> > http://209.132.184.188/ >> >> That page says "Vers

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 January 2014 13:06, Vít Ondruch wrote: > I don't even remember I ever needed "yum remove kernel". Does it mean that > "yum remove kernel" should not work at all no matter if it leaves running > kernel on the system or not? Or should it be completely prohibited? Why we > keep 3 versions of ke

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2014 15:13, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2014 6:26 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: >> >> Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: >> > Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the >> > kernel >> > rather than protecting the kernel if some other package chooses to >>

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 January 2014 20:13, drago01 wrote: >> Am 24.01.2014 19:31, schrieb Reindl Harald: >>and try the however named option, keep >> in mind some people own only one machine and can't google for help > > I doubt that. Most people do have multiple ways to access the internet > (multiple computers,

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