F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-15 Thread Gerry Reno
Ok, I don't know what list you want this F17-alpha stuff on but here goes... I downloaded the F17 alpha DVD and installed it on one of my laptops today. I selected Use All Space and Encrypted. At repos I selected Installation Repo and Fedora-i386. Install completed just fine. Boot loader insta

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-15 Thread Gerry Reno
Ok, I'll give that a try. Thanks. On 03/15/2012 07:38 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Can someone point out what is needed here or do I just file bug reports? >> > I'd suggest installing something more re

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-15 Thread Gerry Reno
Yeah, installed the beta and I'm still having the exact same problem. Graphics is Geforce FX 5600 On 03/15/2012 09:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:45 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:43 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >>

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/15/2012 10:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 22:22 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Yeah, installed the beta and I'm still having the exact same problem. >> >> Graphics is Geforce FX 5600 >> > Ah. Then that'll be https:/

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-16 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/15/2012 10:46 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 03/15/2012 10:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 22:22 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >> >>> Yeah, installed the beta and I'm still having the exact same proble

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-16 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/16/2012 02:48 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 14:31 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> On 03/15/2012 10:46 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >>> On 03/15/2012 10:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-16 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/16/2012 06:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 23:18 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> >>> It's a fairly well-known issue that you can't build the NVIDIA driver >>> against a debug kernel without tweaking something somewhere. It works >>> fine

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/17/2012 12:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 00:17 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> >> And for anyone interested in the history of 3D graphics hardware here's >> an article with a lot of good hardware photos and info: >> >>

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/18/2012 05:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 18, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > > >> Question then would be, can I do a yum upgrade to go from F16 to F17 or >> F18 if things aren't fixed for F17? >> > Might work. Not tested. What

Re: F17-alpha: UI unusable

2012-03-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/18/2012 05:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/19/2012 03:02 AM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> On 03/18/2012 05:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> On Mar 18, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Qu

Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
kernels Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:03:25 -0400 From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk To: Gerry Reno CC: xen-de...@lists.xensource.com On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:04:42PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > I installed Fedora 16 on my laptop and selected encrypted filesystem for > security. >

Re: Fwd: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 03:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:53:27 -0400, > Gerry Reno wrote: >> From xen-devel list. >> >> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug >> identified by Konrad? >> >> Yum does no

Re: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-21 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 03:40 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> From xen-devel list. >> >> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to get around this kernel bug >> identified by Konrad? >> >> Yum does no

Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
If I might interrupt this non-stop streaming ARM discussion for just a second, is anyone else having problems with Firefox 11 in Fedora 16? Firefox is crashing hard, as in shutting down the entire computer. And this is happening quite frequently. Firefox is stock. No addons, or changes. Just

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 05:13 PM, Heiko Adams wrote: > Am 22.03.2012 22:04, schrieb Gerry Reno: > >> If I might interrupt this non-stop streaming ARM discussion for just a >> second, is anyone else having problems with Firefox 11 in Fedora 16? >> >> Firefox is crashing

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 05:20 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 03/22/2012 05:13 PM, Heiko Adams wrote: > >> Am 22.03.2012 22:04, schrieb Gerry Reno: >> >> >>> If I might interrupt this non-stop streaming ARM discussion for just a >>> second, is anyone else ha

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 06:02 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > > >> Haven't been having any other problems with other apps but I'll look at >> running memtest. >> >> Here are some particulars: >> >>kerne

Re: Fedora 16 w/encrypted filesystem: unable to boot Xen kernels

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/21/2012 04:21 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 03/21/2012 03:40 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >> >>> From xen-devel list. >>> >>> How can I downgrade my Fedora 16 kernel to

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 06:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > > >> On 03/22/2012 06:02 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 07:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 22, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Just odd that Firefox is the only app causing the problem. I'll let >> memtest run a while. >> > Yeah different apps have different memory requirements so it

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 09:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> So I played around with the encryption settings and when >> I disabled TLS the crashes stopped. At least so far. I haven't had a >> crash in a couple hours now

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/22/2012 10:00 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 03/22/2012 09:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >> >>> So I played around with the encryption settings and when >>> I disabled TLS the crashes st

Re: Fedora 16 and Firefox 11 crashing hard

2012-03-22 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/23/2012 12:50 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > > >> On 03/22/2012 09:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 6:58 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>> >>> >>>>

Re: Booting Fedora from LVM with grub2

2012-03-23 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/23/2012 11:26 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 23.03.2012 16:19, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > >> David Lehman wrote: >> >>> I was able to complete an install of F17-Alpha just now with all lvm. I >>> had to force the use of MSDOS disklabel instead of GPT (used parted's >>> mklabel co

F16: compile shotwell 0.12

2012-03-28 Thread Gerry Reno
Shotwell 0.10 has a nasty event name corruption bug so I thought I would try to compile 0.12 from source. I installed the dependencies: # yum install vala GConf2-devel libgee-devel libgexiv2-devel glib2-devel gstreamer-devel gstreamer-plugins-base-devel gtk3-devel libgudev1-devel libexif-devel l

Re: F16: compile shotwell 0.12

2012-03-28 Thread Gerry Reno
On 03/28/2012 10:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 21:06 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> Shotwell 0.10 has a nasty event name corruption bug so I thought I would try >> to compile 0.12 from source. >> >> I installed the dependencies: >> # yum insta

Re: default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

2012-05-09 Thread Gerry Reno
If you watch, you can get DVD burners for about $15 USD. eg: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/62972/newegg-liteon-external-cddvd-burner-w-lightscribe-support Or used for about $5-$10 at any flea market. On 05/09/2012 04:33 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik w

Re: default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

2012-05-09 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/09/2012 05:34 PM, John Reiser wrote: > On 05/09/2012 01:33 PM, drago01 wrote: >> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >>> I'd like to break CD limit too but we should not forgot there are users >>> for which CD is top technology from dreams and we have a lot of these >>> u

Re: default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/14/2012 08:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 11:49 -0700, John Reiser wrote: >> On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: >>> So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of

Re: default media size [Was: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo]

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/15/2012 12:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 09:52 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: > >>>> The most important issue in this thread is ability to boot from USB2.0. >>> No, it isn't. mjg59 wrote: >>> >>> "the inability

RealHotspot availability

2012-05-18 Thread Gerry Reno
In looking back through some of the meeting minutes I saw that RealHotspot has been approved for Fedora 18. === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-03-19) === Meeting started by limburgher at 18:00:23 UTC. The full logs ar

Re: RealHotspot availability

2012-05-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/18/2012 09:42 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Fri, 2012-05-18 at 18:21 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> In looking back through some of the meeting minutes I saw that RealHotspot >> has been approved for Fedora 18. >> >> === >>

SSD drives

2012-05-23 Thread Gerry Reno
What does Fedora do currently, if anything, to optimize for solid-state drives (SSD). Things like swap and logging can generate a huge number of writes. So I suppose those should maybe be placed on a rotating drive if one is available but if not does Fedora do anything to reduce the amount of

Re: SSD drives

2012-05-24 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/24/2012 04:45 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Juan Orti Alcaine > wrote: >> 2012/5/24 Gerry Reno >>> What does Fedora do currently, if anything, to optimize for solid-state >>> drives (SSD). >>> >>> Things like swap

Re: SSD drives

2012-05-25 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/25/2012 04:40 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 05/24/2012 03:20 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Since I'm putting an SSD in my laptop this is important because the laptop >> drive must be encrypted. > I hope your CPU has AES-NI. > A powerful i7 does AES at 50MiB/s

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 09:27 AM, Brian Wheeler wrote: > > > On 05/31/2012 08:59 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > * We bring Fedora closer to commercial Unixes and other Linux distributions. > > Um, so? Any solaris admin worth their salt kills the ram-based /tmp as soon > as the install is finished. Its

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement SecureBoot is not about security. It is about restriction. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:06 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 05/31/2012 12:04 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> SecureBoot is not about security. It is about restriction. > > If you're looking for a mantra to recite ad infinitum, that's a fine one, but > right now we're looki

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:13 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement >> >> SecureBoot is not about security. It is about restriction. > That is just untrue. Secure

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:22 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 05/31/2012 12:11 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> This is a monopolistic attack disguised as a security effort. > > The argument that it's a security effort is bolstered in many vendors eyes > by the existence of attacks in the wi

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:46 PM, Peter Jones wrote: > On 05/31/2012 12:16 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 12:13 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/stateme

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:49:53PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> The issue could be solved by having the SecureBoot default setting depend on >> the OS being booted: >> >> SecureBoot should only be Default:ON for Micros

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 12:57 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > On 05/31/2012 12:53 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 12:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:49:53PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> The issue could be solved by having the SecureBoot d

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:03 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:53:30PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 12:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:49:53PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> The issue could be solved by having

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:10 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> Could be any of a thousand ways to implement this. >> Maybe it checks the BIOS to determine whether some SecureBoot flag is set. > While it pains me to argue with someone

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:19 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 01:10 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> Could be any of a thousand ways to implement this. &g

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:34 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 01:19 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 05/31/2012 01:10 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>>&g

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:47 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Platforms implementing secure boot will require cryptographically signed > firmware updates, so the only way an attacker > will be able to modify your system is by having physical access to the flash. Well, at least that part is good. -- devel m

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:48 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 01:34 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 05/31/2012 01:19 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>>>>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 01:57 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 01:48 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 05/31/2012 01:34 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>>>>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 02:17 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 01:57 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 05/31/2012 01:48 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>>>>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 02:52 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 02:17 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 05/31/2012 01:57 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>>>>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 04:04 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>> On 05/31/2012 02:52 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>&g

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 04:26 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> And I'd rather see a User-Controlled implementation rather than a >> Monopoly-Controlled implementation. > SecureBoot is (currently, on x86 but not arm) _also_ user-con

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 05:47 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 16:31 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 05/31/2012 04:26 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> And I'd rather see a User-Controlled implemen

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-05-31 Thread Gerry Reno
On 05/31/2012 09:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chris Adams wrote: >> - Secure boot is required to be able to be disabled on x86 (the only >> platform Fedora will support it). > And this is exactly why we should just require our users to disable it! > > I don't see any advantage at all from supportin

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
So everyone needs to go out and buy twice as much RAM so F18+ can run /tmp as tmpfs without causing memory shortfalls for everything else they do. That's crazy. . -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 11:05 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> So everyone needs to go out and buy twice as much RAM so F18+ can run /tmp >> as tmpfs without causing memory shortfalls >> for everything else they do. >> That

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 11:18 AM, Cosimo Cecchi wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 03:14 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Chris Adams wrote: >>> - Secure boot is required to be able to be disabled on x86 (the only >>> platform Fedora will support it). >> And this is exactly why we should just require our users to d

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 11:35 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> This "feature" may have some benefits but I think they are infinitesimally >> small. > The feature may be adopted/promoted on the basis of SSD writecycle > pres

Re: Action required: Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 11:52 AM, Alexey I. Froloff wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 11:31:21AM -0400, Brian Wheeler wrote: >> Well, since I'm probably going to turn it off, can someone give me a >> good reason why it should be turned _on_ by default? For me, the >> "Benefit to Fedora" bullets are not com

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:07 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Jones wrote: >> Next year if we don't implement some form of Secure Boot support, the >> majority of Fedora users will not be able to install Fedora on new >> machines. > Nonsense. They will be able to install it very easily, they just need to set

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:10 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 06/01/2012 12:07 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Peter Jones wrote: >>> Next year if we don't implement some form of Secure Boot support, the >>> majority of Fedora users will not be able to install Fedora on new >>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:30 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Debarshi Ray wrote: >> By the way, I am assuming that you know that one can't modify Firefox and >> redistribute it as Firefox without certification. > I've been pointing out this issue in several threads. That's exactly why > Fedora should finally fol

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:10 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 06/01/2012 12:07 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Peter Jones wrote: >>> Next year if we don't implement some form of Secure Boot support, the >>> majority of Fedora users will not be able to install Fedora on new >>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:45 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 06:16:37PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Adam Jackson wrote: >>> False. Quoting from Matthew's original post: >>> >>> "A system in custom mode should allow you to delete all existing keys >>> and replace them with your own. A

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:55 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Tom Callaway wrote: >> Do we want to support dual-booting with Windows 8? Microsoft describes >> SecureBoot enablement as "Required for Windows 8 client" [1]? What does >> that mean? We're not sure. At best, it means that BitLocker isn't going >> to wor

Re: [HEADS-UP] Rawhide: /tmp is now on tmpfs

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 12:27 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: >> The feature may be adopted/promoted on the basis of SSD writecycle >> preservation, > I'm about to put in an SSD boot disk, so I care about this argument, > but I'm still not using tmpfs, for my reasons stated previously. > >> but tmpfs also offers consi

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
Windows-8 will install/boot on existing hardware w/o SecureBoot. Will Windows-8 install/boot on new hardware that contains SecureBoot without SecureBoot enabled? Can users flash BIOS to remove SecureBoot? . -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 02:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:16:45 -0400 > Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Windows-8 will install/boot on existing hardware w/o SecureBoot. > My understanding: no. There are multiple examples on the web of people installing Windows-8 on

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 02:24 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 02:16:45PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> Windows-8 will install/boot on existing hardware w/o SecureBoot. > Yes. > >> Will Windows-8 install/boot on new hardware that contains SecureBoot without >>

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
I just read through the MS docs on SecureBoot and this is the biggest Rube-Goldberg machine. I could not think of a nastier solution to a problem than what they've dreamt up here. The whole problem they are trying to solve is that of booting only known-good code. That would be much easier

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 03:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 15:14 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> I just read through the MS docs on SecureBoot and this is the biggest >> Rube-Goldberg machine. >> >> I could not think of a nastier solution to a problem than what

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 03:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jun 1, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > >> That would be much easier accomplished by having the OS reside on a >> read-only device that could only be written to by >> the user actively using hardware to enable the w

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> >> Drive manufacturers need to do nothing. >> >> One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS. Other drive to >> everything else. >> >> T

F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors: ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device Loading Fedora 17 x86_64 installer... dracut Warning: Unable to process initqueue dracut Warning: /dev/disk/by-label/Fedorax2017x20x86_64 does not exist dracut War

Re: *countable infinities only

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 10:24 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> Drive manufacturers need to do nothing. >>>> >&

Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400 > Gerry Reno wrote: > >> Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors: >> >> ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device >> Loading Fed

Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 06:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400 >> Gerry Reno wrote: >> >>> Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and get these errors: >>> >>> ERROR: could not

Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 07:37 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > On 06/04/2012 06:23 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 06/04/2012 03:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:06:46 -0400 >>> Gerry Reno wrote: >>> >>>> Today tried installing F17 x86_64 from DVD and

Re: F17: fatal errors on install

2012-06-04 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/04/2012 07:44 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:37:07 -0400 > Gerry Reno wrote: > >>> Burned another DVD and booting it got some other errors (rpcbind?) >>> but it runs the installer at least. >>> >>> I'm doing custom partition

Re: System problems

2012-06-07 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/07/2012 01:25 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > since the upgrade to 17, I've been experiencing system freezes on frequent > occasions when getting up from the > computer. The term "frequent" used in this context has a different meaning > from "constantly"; there are many moments > when I can ge

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 08:07 AM, Mario Torre wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:34 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > >> that would not allow custom kernel and such. Don't support the locked >> down platform; the answer to "Fedora on ARM" is "don't buy a Win8 ARM >> system and expect to run Fedora". > One should b

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 09:00 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 06/08/2012 08:07 AM, Mario Torre wrote: >>> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:34 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >>> >>>> that would not allow custom kernel and such. Don&

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 09:20 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 06/08/2012 09:00 AM, drago01 wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 06/08/2012 08:07 AM, Mario Torre wrote: >>>>> O

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 10:11 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Gerry Reno said: >> And I expect this idea of preventing other OS's from being installed on Win8 >> ARM hardware will not fly in the EU. It's >> anti-competitive. > You mean they don't have iPa

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 11:55 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jun 8, 2012, at 6:47 AM, Gerry Reno wrote: >> And I expect this idea of preventing other OS's from being installed on Win8 >> ARM hardware will not fly in the EU. It's >> anti-competitive. > There's no such

Re: Fedora ARM and SecureBoot

2012-06-08 Thread Gerry Reno
On 06/08/2012 01:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-06-08 at 14:07 +0200, Mario Torre wrote: >> On Thu, 2012-06-07 at 14:34 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> >>> that would not allow custom kernel and such. Don't support the locked >>> down platform; the answer to "Fedora on ARM" is "don't bu

kernel 3.4.4-5 refuses to boot

2012-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
Has there been any trouble booting the 3.4.4-5 kernel? I updated one of my F17 machines today and it brought in a new kernel, 3.4.4-5. When I rebooted the box after all the updates completed it refused to boot. It just hangs with a non-blinking cursor in the upper left hand corner of a totally

Re: kernel 3.4.4-5 refuses to boot

2012-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2012 04:12 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 15:21:24 -0400, > Gerry Reno wrote: >> Has there been any trouble booting the 3.4.4-5 kernel? > > I didn't have issues with it, but have now switched to 3.4.5-2 which is > available from koji.

Re: kernel 3.4.4-5 refuses to boot

2012-07-20 Thread Gerry Reno
It worked. I grabbed the libdrm 2.4.37 rpm from bodhi and it fixed the problem on my Xeon(Ivy Bridge) machine. On 07/18/2012 05:32 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 16:33 -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 07/18/2012 04:12 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> On Wed,

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-26 Thread Gerry Reno
I encountered a similar problem when using a new Intel Xeon (Ivy Bridge) CPU. The issue occurred with Ivy Bridge w/iGPU onboard. Ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=840180 . -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-26 Thread Gerry Reno
There are missing Ivy Bridge definitions in the intel_chipset.h file in libdrm which causes machines with Ivy Bridge CPU's w/embedded iGPU to fail when starting X. As I said in the bug, installing libdrm 2.4.37 from bodhi fixed the issue on my F17 machine. On 07/26/2012 02:05 PM, Gerry

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-26 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/26/2012 04:31 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 02:44:24PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> There are missing Ivy Bridge definitions in the intel_chipset.h file in >> libdrm which causes machines with Ivy Bridge >> CPU's w/embedded iGPU to fail when s

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-26 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/26/2012 05:12 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:59:20PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > >> When booting Fedora 17 x64 there's the GRUB bootloader with graphical >> background image, >> I let it boot the default entry "Fedora 17", I see it the allocating memory >> page

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-30 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/30/2012 10:58 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:35:20PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 07/26/2012 05:12 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 08:59:20PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >>> >>>> When booting Fedora

Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-30 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/30/2012 11:28 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:21:54AM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >> On 07/30/2012 10:58 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:35:20PM -0400, Gerry Reno wrote: >>>> On 07/26/2012 05:12 PM, Matthew Garre

F17: DirectFB

2012-08-24 Thread Gerry Reno
I have had no success whatsoever getting DirectFB to run under F17 as a regular user on my HP laptop. # yum list DirectFB Installed Packages directfb.x86_64 1.5.3-7.fc17 @updates I have discussed the pr

Re: F17: DirectFB

2012-08-27 Thread Gerry Reno
On 08/24/2012 06:56 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: > I have had no success whatsoever getting DirectFB to run under F17 as a > regular user on my HP laptop. > > # yum list DirectFB > > Installed Packages > directfb.x86_64

Re: F17: DirectFB

2012-08-28 Thread Gerry Reno
On 08/27/2012 10:59 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: > > Hi Gerry, > > Try contacting the main dev. mailing-list of DirectFB. I'm sure you'll get an > answer there. > > Btw, DirectFB-1.5.3 is rather old, DirectFB-1.6.1 is rather the latest stable > release. > > -Ilyes > > Thanks Ilyes. I'll try posting o

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