Re: berlios.de compromised since 2005

2010-01-13 Thread Chris Adams
ora since before the initial suspected attack, grab an old SRPM from a Fedora archive mirror. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [RFC PATCH] use sulogin in single-user mode

2010-01-21 Thread Chris Adams
t an annoyance; it doesn't really secure anything (physical access trumps all). If you are trying to secure a system, you need to password-protect the boot loader anyway. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - t

Re: RFC: Remove write permissions from executables

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
r favorite mirror. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Remove write permissions from executables

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Miloslav TrmaÄ? said: > Chris Adams píše v Pá 22. 01. 2010 v 08:06 -0600: > > Once upon a time, Miloslav TrmaÄ? said: > > > We can extend the protection to all executables by a simple addition to > > > redhat-rpm-config (https://bugzilla.redhat

Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Denis Leroy said: > Speaking on funny things in /usr/bin > > what about '/usr/bin/[', part of cureutils... had never noticed this one > before. Welcome to the past! :-) IIRC "[" has been in /bin or /usr/bin since the late 1970s. --

Re: [RFC PATCH] use sulogin in single-user mode

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
ld handle SELinux correctly, the disabling/enabling of SELinux could be removed). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: sysconfig ifcfg-* support for running custom post-up scripts per interface?

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
needs be verified after system upgrades, not very nice. When I have used this, I usually put ifup-local in /usr/local/sbin and symlink it to /sbin/ifup-local. This way, I can spot it easily as a local script when doing system upgrades, etc. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiW

Re: packaging shared libraries without autoconf and automake

2010-01-22 Thread Chris Adams
t the library is only expecting a static, they won't expect to have to deal with ABI changes either. No matter how you make a shared library, I'd suggest getting that change accepted upstream before trying to put it in Fedora. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Inte

Re: packaging shared libraries without autoconf and automake

2010-01-23 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ulrich Drepper said: > On 01/22/2010 08:37 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > If upstream isn't building a shared library, then you have no good way > > to set a version and then maintain an ABI. > > Not true at all. Why should this be the case? The p

Re: Moving lspci and setpci from /sbin to /usr/sbin?

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Adams
e not seen any complain about it > > ever. > Well, a separate /usr-partition has never worked on RH-based distros. I beg to differ; I've been using a separate /usr (mounted read-only except during maintenance) on RHL, RHEL, and Fedora for at least 13 years. -- Chris Adams Systems and

Re: Moving lspci and setpci from /sbin to /usr/sbin?

2010-02-01 Thread Chris Adams
used separate /usr since RHL 3.0.3. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Moving lspci and setpci from /sbin to /usr/sbin?

2010-02-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius said: > On 02/01/2010 10:23 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:16:54AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > >> Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius said: > >>> IMO, you are facing a hen-and-egg problem: You've never s

Re: [RFC PATCH] use sulogin in single-user mode

2010-02-02 Thread Chris Adams
gin, /bin/bash, /bin/dash, etc., possibly according to something in /etc/sysconfig). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: git branch help?

2010-08-03 Thread Chris Adams
signed data for that matter)? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Chris Adams
your own distribution? If you are right, then you should have no trouble getting a large group of developers, producing an awesome OS, and then you can prove FESCo wrong. Otherwise, give it a rest. I think everybody knows how you feel, please stop reminding us. There's nothing productive about th

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
d that even FESCo shouldn't be able to set an update policy for KDE packages. Why don't you give the kernel maintainers the same courtesy? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough troubl

Re: What does the DVD media check if installing a new Fedora version? / Proposal

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
If you are looking at the master or mirror directory, you could use dd to only read the right number of bytes from the disk and pipe the output to sha256sum. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough tr

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
r packages. > > That's political. Again, proof? They have enough patches to sort through every release as it is, and they don't want to add more. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's e

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
r all packages in the distribution (or all packages that tangentially affect them). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.f

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
hat, because the kernel project is so big and hierarchical, you don't always get a lot of feedback (even when one of the maintainers picks up your patch in their tree to go upstream). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but mysel

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Chris Adams wrote: > > SIGs don't exist to exercise control over all packages in the > > distribution (or all packages that tangentially affect them). > > As I said elsewhere on this list, that's exactly where our organizatio

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
te, then that SQLite should be fixed! What if it isn't a bug, but just different behavior? To do such an update in F12, you need to audit the other users of SQLite (of which there are many) and check them against a new version, possibly updating many dependent packages as well. --

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
hieve anything either. Is it impossible for you to accept the fact that not everybody agrees with you on the direction of Fedora, and that maybe (just maybe) you are in the minority? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but mys

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
ork on KDE packages and not assume they know what's best for the rest of the distribution. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-13 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > If we really are the only ones true to Fedora's original principles As I recall, "upstream, upstream, upstream" was one of those principles that you are demanding others now break. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator

Re: systemd and filesystems with noauto

2010-08-23 Thread Chris Adams
ically mount filesystems means that they shouldn't be automatically mounted. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and filesystems with noauto

2010-08-23 Thread Chris Adams
" as documented. See "man mount": noauto Can only be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not cause the filesystem to be mounted). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself -

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Adams
th that). What do we gain by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit of disk space)? I understand that "a little bit of disk space" can add up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a pretty standard part of a Unix system. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator -

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > Chris Adams wrote: > > What do we gain by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit > > of disk space)? I understand that "a little bit of disk space" can add > > up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Adams
u, Unix-like systems are only for researchers to study? How does "PCs evolving every 5-10 years" have any bearing on being Unix-like or not? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough troub

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Adams
Hat based distributes. People like it. > > Yes, and they should continue to use it -- for sysv scripts. I thought the last big discussion resulted in agreement that chkconfig and service should continue to work for all services. Is that not the case? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Admi

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-24 Thread Chris Adams
is something capable of replacing it. Maybe you don't have bridges, 802.1q VLANs (and even bridged VLANs), etc., but last I checked, NM didn't handle them. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Chris Adams
any other thing I can think of (such as delivering root mail to a non-root user or smarthosting, possibly with authentication setup) requires manual configuration in any case. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself -

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Chris Adams
because cronie is mandatory and requires /usr/sbin/sendmail (until the rawhide version of cronie, which will log to syslog if there's no /usr/sbin/sendmail). Why is sendmail also in @Base? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for an

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread Chris Adams
27;s a reason and it isn't just an accident, that might have some bearing on removing it from both). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-27 Thread Chris Adams
understand, it doesn't support all the same things in network-scripts that ifup/etc. do, and it adds some things of its own for WPA and the like). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that&#

Re: systemd and changes

2010-08-27 Thread Chris Adams
the universal "vi" (but then the config files are not well documented). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
f the up-to-six month wait is the problem, I'd rather see more releases (e.g. "Fedora 14.1: Now with GNOME3!") with more targeted/focused changes. That's probably not practical with the available manpower however. Why do we need to be concerned about being similar to or dif

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Eric Sandeen said: > Some things to test would be attempting to defrag files > which are being actively written to / read from in various > ways - concurrent access, mmap, etc. Also make sure to test files used by sendfile() and splice()/vmsplice(). -- Chris Adams

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
ries, and said they will unbundle others once their changes settle down. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Adams
h letting that run in the background while continuing through the questions. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

ethtool not in default system anymore?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Adams
orce speed/duplex to communicate (yes, such switches are crap, but when it isn't your network, you don't get to choose). Not having a tool to do that already installed makes it impossible to fix. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't sp

Re: ethtool not in default system anymore?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell said: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > I noticed that ethtool is not in the default install anymore (probably > > for a release or so, but I didn't notice it until now).  Why is that? > > It is the only tool tha

Re: ethtool not in default system anymore?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Adams
is: * Mon Aug 03 2009 Bill Nottingham - 8.96-1 - only use ethtool for link checking; no more mii-tool mii-tool gets pulled in by default because initscripts depends on net-tools. However, the mii-tool declares itself obsolete and recommends ethtool. Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base? -- Chris

Re: ethtool not in default system anymore?

2010-10-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > Chris Adams wrote: > > Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base? > > Or patch initscripts to use ethtool instead of deprecated cruft. You cut out the part of my email where I quoted the changelog showing that had already been done.

Re: Bug in curl makes Fedora ftp:// URL installations fail with some mirrors

2010-10-18 Thread Chris Adams
r the server to handle this better as well, but I think the problem starts with curl. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
s and libraries (which of course could also be done with noatime). I've seen some boot-from-flash setups with /usr on a hard drive. Basically, if Fedora is going to follow the FHS at all, bugs like 626007 should be fixed, not ignored because somebody doesn't like a separate /usr. -- Ch

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
oot filesystems are mounted. I expect other bugs attributed to separate /usr are really problems handling non-default partitioning schemes of many kinds. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough tr

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Peter Jones said: > On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > > And how many of those bugs are exclusively a /usr-is-separate problem > > vs. how many of them are didn't-anticipate-alternate-partitioning > > problems? > > If I understand your

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
irectly user-writable files (assuming separate /tmp and /var). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Chris Adams
he root file domain is special (with extra restrictions due to the bootloader and other things), so you really don't want anything else in there. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enou

Re: who broke fedoraproject.org usability?

2010-10-27 Thread Chris Adams
making a site that looks broken with NoScript is a bad idea, especially for a user base that probably has a higher-than-average number of Firefox users (and probably mode advanced users that are likely to use things like NoScript). Requiring JavaScript just to get the correct layout is IMHO broken. -

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
get a little more discussion than a single BZ request (and probably shouldn't be changed mid-release without notice). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Chris Adams
"hide" it (of course, I alias ls to "ls -FCA", so ~/.bin wouldn't be hidden, just one extra character to type when I need to access it). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - t

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-28 Thread Chris Adams
ounted in that type of setup (users don't get space on the local drive except /tmp), so ~/.local would be meaningless. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-17 Thread Chris Adams
on to be functional and is not > network enabled, it may be enabled by default" Is CUPS functional without any configuration? How do you print without configuring a printer? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but my

Re: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide

2011-08-29 Thread Chris Adams
tion)? Note: I am NOT saying any of that should be removed. I'm just saying that "space savings" as justification of removing ddate is stupid. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that'

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-29 Thread Chris Adams
nges over time, I don't know how to get the device nodes with the correct access for the desktop user anymore, and I figure if somebody went to the trouble of removing the udev rules, there's not much point in asking to have them added back. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator -

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said: > On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, > > Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or > something similar? If so, you can

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
or embedded systems that use a standard PC-style floppy controller. Replace the floppy drive with something else that still looks to the system like a regular floppy drive. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
quot;hang forever" when the floppy module is loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of them (99.9% in an earlier message). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Servic

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
In any case, instead of arguing semantics, can you answer my actual question? How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded? If it is a large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anyb

Re: floppy support (was: [HEADS UP] remove ddate(1) command from rawhide)

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
icant hang. Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not just "a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think anybody else needs it". -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Ad

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Chris Adams
ave a 6 year old notebook that will not book from USB. > And for the cheap price of PCs these days, whether it is building your own > or grabbing an oem system, just upgrade to something that does have full usb > support. Feel free to PayPal me money for a new notebook. -- Chris Adams

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Chris Adams
quot; was to just ignore it and stop loading the module. ... -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: floppy support

2011-08-31 Thread Chris Adams
far as user access is concerned. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora kernel bug day.

2011-10-05 Thread Chris Adams
to start from) I know suspend is another "fun" area, but are there any good tools to figure out what is wrong when suspend/resume doesn't work right? I've got a problem system (RH BZ 548593) that I don't know what else I can do to try to fix. -- Chris Adams Systems and Net

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
of the time); can't we at least try to correct for that case first, and _then_ try to deal with multi-monitor setups? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- dev

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bill Nottingham said: > Obviously you embed radar in every projector. Projectors with auto-focus already detect the distance to the screen (I think they use IR). I don't expect that they change the EDID screen size reporting though. -- Chris Adams Systems and

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Chris Adams
literal "no maximum length" is a denial of service waiting to happen. I'm sure the passwords are hashed, so it isn't a matter of storage, but the input buffer is not unlimited, and neither are the hash iterations to process the input. What is the actual limit? 256 charact

Re: BEWARE: a problematic glibc made it to stable (F16)

2011-10-24 Thread Chris Adams
x27;re assuming that no Fedora users use their system to compile things. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-24 Thread Chris Adams
oducing /etc/init.d as a symlink. How will upgrades be handled if this feature goes through? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-24 Thread Chris Adams
there are several things in /bin that are established standards (such as /bin/sh for shell scripts). /lib{,64} is part of the ABI because of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and /lib64/ld-linux-x86_64.so.2. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anyb

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-24 Thread Chris Adams
bt there has been a significanly used Unix-like system since 7th Edition that didn't have a Bourne-like shell at /bin/sh. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list d

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
"#!/usr/bin/env foo" suggested replacement has always been a hack to work around broken systems, not something suggested for all scripts. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough t

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > 2011/10/25 Chris Adams : > > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said: > >> I created feature page > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters > > > > I strongly object to this "f

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Chris Adams
her than somebody's idea of neatness. I have no problem removing compat symlinks when they are no longer needed; I just don't believe that will ever be the case for /bin, /lib{,64}, and /sbin. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-26 Thread Chris Adams
es were in odd places like /etc and /usr/lib. The idea of /sbin and /usr/sbin was to get compiled executables out of those places (and to not clutter up the "normal" bin directories with stuff users didn't need). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Intern

Re: UsrMove feature

2011-10-26 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Harald Hoyer said: > For daemons, which should not be called directly on the command line, I > would suggest to move them to /usr/lib// anyway. That's what /usr/libexec is for. /usr/lib{,64} is for libraries and such, not executables. -- Chris Adams Systems

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-26 Thread Chris Adams
you generally can't use anyway. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Chris Adams said: > One big question though: can RPM handle such a change? IIRC, when the > switch from /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d was made, initially > everything was going to be moved and the old paths symlinked for a few > releases. However, there was some

Re: Upgrading libpng: shall we move to 1.4.x or 1.5.x?

2011-11-04 Thread Chris Adams
x27;ve never used libpng directly myself, so I'm not familiar with what is required). Since all the packages that depend on libpng would have to be rebuilt twice if you don't go to the latest version now, I'd say go ahead and get it over with once (i.e. go to 1.5). -- Chris Adams Sys

Re: xfce-weather-plugin stopped working

2011-11-04 Thread Chris Adams
it use The Weather Channel (weather.com) as its data source? They cut off the old free API and now charge for the new one. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing lis

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Chris Adams
(or wait until next release). There may be things that the systemd developers didn't think about (what about SELinux policy for example; I haven't seen that mentioned). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Chris Adams
if I were king, the proliferation of kernel filesystems (proc, sys, cgroup, selinux, etc.) would be under /kernel, so maybe that's just me. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough tro

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > /etc is static configuration data. There are a number of things under /etc that are not static configuration data. > /etc is read-only during boot. > > /run is writable all the way. /etc/run could be too. -- Chris Adams Systems

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Beta RC1 Available Now!

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dennis Gilmore said: > Chris its the teminology we have always used. > each phase has a series of release candidates. I thought they were called "test composes" or TC, not RC. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Beta RC1 Available Now!

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said: > Would it make more sense to refer to these as "Alpha Candidate", "Beta > Candidate" and "Release Candidate" ? ac{1,2,3}, bc{1,2}, rc1 ? That sounds good to me; each is distinguished frmo the other and clearly de

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Adams
should work on most any hardware. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rfc/headsup: graphics driver packaging in F16+

2011-04-12 Thread Chris Adams
ws machines). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Systemd unit file implementation questions (ypbind)

2011-04-14 Thread Chris Adams
s. Since they are config files (unlike the init scripts themselves), changing them doesn't leave you with RPM wanting to replace them on every package update either. > So yeah, I'd push for phasing /etc/sysconfig out for most services, not > standardize it. I'd be 180 degrees f

Re: wireless-tools/net-tools are DEPRECATED

2011-04-23 Thread Chris Adams
, but until then, please stop saying NM replaces the network service. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: ipv6 tools + ipv4 tools fusion.

2011-04-28 Thread Chris Adams
ferent, you can get confusing results (for example, in the face of some broken IPv6 setups). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: use /etc/aliases or /etc/mail/aliases?

2011-05-04 Thread Chris Adams
to continue to use /etc/aliases. I believe postfix also uses /etc/aliases (don't know if that is also a RHEL/Fedora change from upstream default); I don't know about other MTAs. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybo

Re: F15's /usr/include/rpc has disappeared; uncompilable

2011-05-06 Thread Chris Adams
dates supposed to be approved post-beta (or am I misremembering the process)? -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedo

Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Chris Adams
t one goal for btrfs is to take LVM out of the picture for the common case; i.e. btrfs can do its own logical volume management. If that's the case, there needs to be something comparable to the VM-on-VG setup (in terms of ease-of-management and performance). -- Chris Adams Systems and Net

Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Chris Adams
That would work, but that loses a lot of functionality such as resizing guests without rebooting (either the host or the guest), snapshots, etc. I usually set up the host OS in the same VG as the guests, so I can add space to the host storage as well as guests, all from the same pool. -- Chris

Re: BTRFS concerns (was: Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01))

2011-06-02 Thread Chris Adams
ate clearly I guess); btrfs performance with VM disk images should be compared against LVM VGs as well against ext4. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

Re: Heads up: impending IPv6 Test Day

2011-06-21 Thread Chris Adams
which lighttpd (at least) answers with "400 Bad Request". Firefox works (it strips the %br0 from the address before putting it in the Host: header). It would appear that the CLI/terminal web client support for IPv6 link-local addresses is lacking. -- Chris Adams Systems and Net

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-25 Thread Chris Adams
ora. The feature request is simply to modify grubby/anaconda to set up the boot entries to include the support by default (or when the hardware is found). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough troub

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