ora
since before the initial suspected attack, grab an old SRPM from a
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anything (physical access trumps all). If you are trying to secure a
system, you need to password-protect the boot loader anyway.
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Once upon a time, Miloslav TrmaÄ? said:
> Chris Adams pÃÅ¡e v Pá 22. 01. 2010 v 08:06 -0600:
> > Once upon a time, Miloslav TrmaÃ? said:
> > > We can extend the protection to all executables by a simple addition to
> > > redhat-rpm-config (https://bugzilla.redhat
Once upon a time, Denis Leroy said:
> Speaking on funny things in /usr/bin
>
> what about '/usr/bin/[', part of cureutils... had never noticed this one
> before.
Welcome to the past! :-) IIRC "[" has been in /bin or /usr/bin since
the late 1970s.
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needs be verified after system upgrades, not very nice.
When I have used this, I usually put ifup-local in /usr/local/sbin and
symlink it to /sbin/ifup-local. This way, I can spot it easily as a
local script when doing system upgrades, etc.
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t the library is only expecting a static, they won't expect to
have to deal with ABI changes either.
No matter how you make a shared library, I'd suggest getting that change
accepted upstream before trying to put it in Fedora.
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Once upon a time, Ulrich Drepper said:
> On 01/22/2010 08:37 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > If upstream isn't building a shared library, then you have no good way
> > to set a version and then maintain an ABI.
>
> Not true at all. Why should this be the case? The p
e not seen any complain about it
> > ever.
> Well, a separate /usr-partition has never worked on RH-based distros.
I beg to differ; I've been using a separate /usr (mounted read-only
except during maintenance) on RHL, RHEL, and Fedora for at least 13
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used separate /usr since RHL 3.0.3.
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Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius said:
> On 02/01/2010 10:23 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:16:54AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> >> Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius said:
> >>> IMO, you are facing a hen-and-egg problem: You've never s
gin, /bin/bash,
/bin/dash, etc., possibly according to something in /etc/sysconfig).
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your own distribution? If you are right, then
you should have no trouble getting a large group of developers,
producing an awesome OS, and then you can prove FESCo wrong.
Otherwise, give it a rest. I think everybody knows how you feel, please
stop reminding us. There's nothing productive about th
d that even FESCo
shouldn't be able to set an update policy for KDE packages.
Why don't you give the kernel maintainers the same courtesy?
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If you are looking at the master or mirror directory, you
could use dd to only read the right number of bytes from the disk and
pipe the output to sha256sum.
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r packages.
>
> That's political.
Again, proof? They have enough patches to sort through every release as
it is, and they don't want to add more.
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hat, because the kernel project is so big and
hierarchical, you don't always get a lot of feedback (even when one of
the maintainers picks up your patch in their tree to go upstream).
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Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
> Chris Adams wrote:
> > SIGs don't exist to exercise control over all packages in the
> > distribution (or all packages that tangentially affect them).
>
> As I said elsewhere on this list, that's exactly where our organizatio
te, then that SQLite should be fixed!
What if it isn't a bug, but just different behavior? To do such an
update in F12, you need to audit the other users of SQLite (of which
there are many) and check them against a new version, possibly updating
many dependent packages as well.
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on KDE packages and not assume they know what's best for the rest of the
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> If we really are the only ones true to Fedora's original principles
As I recall, "upstream, upstream, upstream" was one of those principles
that you are demanding others now break.
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mount filesystems means that they shouldn't be automatically mounted.
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" as documented. See "man
mount":
noauto Can only be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not
cause the filesystem to be mounted).
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th that).
What do we gain by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit
of disk space)? I understand that "a little bit of disk space" can add
up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a pretty standard part of a Unix
system.
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> Chris Adams wrote:
> > What do we gain by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit
> > of disk space)? I understand that "a little bit of disk space" can add
> > up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a
u, Unix-like systems are only for researchers to
study? How does "PCs evolving every 5-10 years" have any bearing on
being Unix-like or not?
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Hat based distributes. People like it.
>
> Yes, and they should continue to use it -- for sysv scripts.
I thought the last big discussion resulted in agreement that chkconfig
and service should continue to work for all services. Is that not the
case?
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is something capable of replacing it. Maybe
you don't have bridges, 802.1q VLANs (and even bridged VLANs), etc., but
last I checked, NM didn't handle them.
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any other thing I can think of (such as delivering
root mail to a non-root user or smarthosting, possibly with
authentication setup) requires manual configuration in any case.
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because cronie is mandatory and requires
/usr/sbin/sendmail (until the rawhide version of cronie, which will log
to syslog if there's no /usr/sbin/sendmail).
Why is sendmail also in @Base?
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27;s a
reason and it isn't just an accident, that might have some bearing on
removing it from both).
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understand, it doesn't support all the same things in
network-scripts that ifup/etc. do, and it adds some things of its own
for WPA and the like).
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the universal "vi"
(but then the config files are not well documented).
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f the up-to-six month wait is the problem, I'd rather see more releases
(e.g. "Fedora 14.1: Now with GNOME3!") with more targeted/focused
changes. That's probably not practical with the available manpower
however.
Why do we need to be concerned about being similar to or dif
Once upon a time, Eric Sandeen said:
> Some things to test would be attempting to defrag files
> which are being actively written to / read from in various
> ways - concurrent access, mmap, etc.
Also make sure to test files used by sendfile() and splice()/vmsplice().
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once their changes settle down.
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the questions.
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speed/duplex to communicate (yes, such switches are crap, but when it
isn't your network, you don't get to choose). Not having a tool to do
that already installed makes it impossible to fix.
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Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell said:
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I noticed that ethtool is not in the default install anymore (probably
> > for a release or so, but I didn't notice it until now). Why is that?
> > It is the only tool tha
is:
* Mon Aug 03 2009 Bill Nottingham - 8.96-1
- only use ethtool for link checking; no more mii-tool
mii-tool gets pulled in by default because initscripts depends on
net-tools. However, the mii-tool declares itself obsolete and
recommends ethtool. Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base?
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> Chris Adams wrote:
> > Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base?
>
> Or patch initscripts to use ethtool instead of deprecated cruft.
You cut out the part of my email where I quoted the changelog showing
that had already been done.
r the server to handle this better as well, but I
think the problem starts with curl.
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s and libraries
(which of course could also be done with noatime).
I've seen some boot-from-flash setups with /usr on a hard drive.
Basically, if Fedora is going to follow the FHS at all, bugs like 626007
should be fixed, not ignored because somebody doesn't like a separate
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I expect other bugs attributed to separate /usr are really problems
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Once upon a time, Peter Jones said:
> On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > And how many of those bugs are exclusively a /usr-is-separate problem
> > vs. how many of them are didn't-anticipate-alternate-partitioning
> > problems?
>
> If I understand your
irectly user-writable files (assuming separate /tmp and
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he root file domain is special
(with extra restrictions due to the bootloader and other things), so you
really don't want anything else in there.
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making a
site that looks broken with NoScript is a bad idea, especially for a
user base that probably has a higher-than-average number of Firefox
users (and probably mode advanced users that are likely to use things
like NoScript). Requiring JavaScript just to get the correct layout is
IMHO broken.
-
get a little more
discussion than a single BZ request (and probably shouldn't be changed
mid-release without notice).
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"hide" it (of course, I alias ls to "ls -FCA", so
~/.bin wouldn't be hidden, just one extra character to type when I need
to access it).
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ounted in that type of
setup (users don't get space on the local drive except /tmp), so
~/.local would be meaningless.
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on to be functional and is not
> network enabled, it may be enabled by default"
Is CUPS functional without any configuration? How do you print without
configuring a printer?
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tion)?
Note: I am NOT saying any of that should be removed. I'm just saying
that "space savings" as justification of removing ddate is stupid.
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nges over time, I don't
know how to get the device nodes with the correct access for the desktop
user anymore, and I figure if somebody went to the trouble of removing
the udev rules, there's not much point in asking to have them added
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Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said:
> On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to,
>
> Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or
> something similar? If so, you can
or embedded systems that use a standard PC-style floppy
controller. Replace the floppy drive with something else that still
looks to the system like a regular floppy drive.
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quot;hang forever" when the floppy module is
loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without
floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of
them (99.9% in an earlier message).
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In any case, instead of arguing semantics, can you answer my actual
question? How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded? If it is a
large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data.
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I don't speak for anyb
icant hang.
Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and
irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not
just "a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think
anybody else needs it".
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ave a 6 year old notebook that will not book from USB.
> And for the cheap price of PCs these days, whether it is building your own
> or grabbing an oem system, just upgrade to something that does have full usb
> support.
Feel free to PayPal me money for a new notebook.
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it and stop loading the module. ...
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to start from)
I know suspend is another "fun" area, but are there any good tools to
figure out what is wrong when suspend/resume doesn't work right? I've
got a problem system (RH BZ 548593) that I don't know what else I can do
to try to fix.
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of the time); can't
we at least try to correct for that case first, and _then_ try to deal
with multi-monitor setups?
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> Obviously you embed radar in every projector.
Projectors with auto-focus already detect the distance to the screen (I
think they use IR). I don't expect that they change the EDID screen
size reporting though.
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literal "no maximum length" is a denial of
service waiting to happen. I'm sure the passwords are hashed, so it
isn't a matter of storage, but the input buffer is not unlimited, and
neither are the hash iterations to process the input.
What is the actual limit? 256 charact
x27;re assuming that no Fedora users use their
system to compile things.
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oducing /etc/init.d as a symlink. How will upgrades be handled
if this feature goes through?
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there are several things in /bin that are established
standards (such as /bin/sh for shell scripts). /lib{,64} is part of the
ABI because of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and /lib64/ld-linux-x86_64.so.2.
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bt there has
been a significanly used Unix-like system since 7th Edition that didn't
have a Bourne-like shell at /bin/sh.
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"#!/usr/bin/env foo" suggested replacement has always been a hack to
work around broken systems, not something suggested for all scripts.
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Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said:
> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams :
> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said:
> >> I created feature page
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters
> >
> > I strongly object to this "f
her
than somebody's idea of neatness. I have no problem removing compat
symlinks when they are no longer needed; I just don't believe that will
ever be the case for /bin, /lib{,64}, and /sbin.
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es were in odd places like
/etc and /usr/lib. The idea of /sbin and /usr/sbin was to get compiled
executables out of those places (and to not clutter up the "normal" bin
directories with stuff users didn't need).
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> For daemons, which should not be called directly on the command line, I
> would suggest to move them to /usr/lib// anyway.
That's what /usr/libexec is for. /usr/lib{,64} is for libraries and
such, not executables.
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Once upon a time, Chris Adams said:
> One big question though: can RPM handle such a change? IIRC, when the
> switch from /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d was made, initially
> everything was going to be moved and the old paths symlinked for a few
> releases. However, there was some
x27;ve
never used libpng directly myself, so I'm not familiar with what is
required).
Since all the packages that depend on libpng would have to be rebuilt
twice if you don't go to the latest version now, I'd say go ahead and
get it over with once (i.e. go to 1.5).
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it use The Weather Channel (weather.com) as its data source? They
cut off the old free API and now charge for the new one.
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(or wait until next
release). There may be things that the systemd developers didn't think
about (what about SELinux policy for example; I haven't seen that
mentioned).
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if I were king, the
proliferation of kernel filesystems (proc, sys, cgroup, selinux, etc.)
would be under /kernel, so maybe that's just me.
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Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> /etc is static configuration data.
There are a number of things under /etc that are not static
configuration data.
> /etc is read-only during boot.
>
> /run is writable all the way.
/etc/run could be too.
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Once upon a time, Dennis Gilmore said:
> Chris its the teminology we have always used.
> each phase has a series of release candidates.
I thought they were called "test composes" or TC, not RC.
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Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said:
> Would it make more sense to refer to these as "Alpha Candidate", "Beta
> Candidate" and "Release Candidate" ? ac{1,2,3}, bc{1,2}, rc1 ?
That sounds good to me; each is distinguished frmo the other and clearly
de
should work on most any hardware.
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Since they are config files (unlike the init scripts themselves),
changing them doesn't leave you with RPM wanting to replace them on
every package update either.
> So yeah, I'd push for phasing /etc/sysconfig out for most services, not
> standardize it.
I'd be 180 degrees f
, but until then, please stop saying NM replaces the network
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confusing results (for example, in the face of some broken IPv6 setups).
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use /etc/aliases. I believe postfix also uses /etc/aliases (don't know
if that is also a RHEL/Fedora change from upstream default); I don't
know about other MTAs.
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dates supposed to be approved post-beta (or am I
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t one goal for btrfs is to take LVM out of the
picture for the common case; i.e. btrfs can do its own logical volume
management. If that's the case, there needs to be something comparable
to the VM-on-VG setup (in terms of ease-of-management and performance).
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Chris Adams
Systems and Net
That would work, but that loses a lot of functionality such as resizing
guests without rebooting (either the host or the guest), snapshots, etc.
I usually set up the host OS in the same VG as the guests, so I can add
space to the host storage as well as guests, all from the same pool.
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Chris
ate clearly I
guess); btrfs performance with VM disk images should be compared against
LVM VGs as well against ext4.
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Chris Adams
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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which lighttpd (at least) answers with "400 Bad Request".
Firefox works (it strips the %br0 from the address before putting it in
the Host: header).
It would appear that the CLI/terminal web client support for IPv6
link-local addresses is lacking.
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Chris Adams
Systems and Net
ora. The feature request is simply to modify grubby/anaconda to set
up the boot entries to include the support by default (or when the
hardware is found).
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Chris Adams
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough troub
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