License change for boswars-addons

The license has changed to GPLv2+ (from GPLv2). Unlike boswars itself, the upstream notice and copyright notices in the data both say version 2 or later, so I am marking the package that way in Fedora. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/list

Same noarch update to several releases?

I am co-maintaining boswars-addons which has been setup to not use dist as part of the versions, since the package is noarch and the same build is usable accross releases. It's 48 MB, so it has been considered large enough to be worth not triggering updates when updating between Fedora releases. S

Re: Unresponsive Package Maintainer - Lubomir Rintel

On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 10:34:38 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > On Tuesday, May 31, 2011 07:32:07 PM Ward, David - 0663 - MITLL wrote: > > I'm following the procedure at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers > > > > Does anyone know how to contact Lubo

Re: headsup: rawhide 3.0 kernel needs symlink

On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 09:22:48 -0400, Kyle McMartin wrote: > > Yeah, should be fixed in the next build, koji being out of commission > didn't help get a timely fix pushed. This build also fixes an issue I had rebuilding dahdi-linux where the module names were expected to have another .0 in t

Re: Bringing down Java packages in size

On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 10:46:37 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > It seems to me that as a general observation, package sizes are either > stable or coming down in size. And even the total size of the Fedora > Live CD has dropped significantly. The last item is due to using XZ compression with s

Re: Help needed. Lightining-Thunderbird on Fc14.x86_64.

On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 07:00:11 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > The only problem with the fedora version of lightning : the > extension is only in english > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504994 Does the F15 version have the same problem? Lightning was dropped and resurrected, so the

Re: Linux kernel 3.0 + SELinux problem

On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 17:01:07 -0600, Jerry James wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Tom London wrote: > > See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711015 > > > > Believe updated systemd is building. > > Would you believe I scanned the entire list of bugs against the > "kernel"

Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture of the traceback and file a bug? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 15:09:02 -0400, "Clyde E. Kunkel" wrote: > > Couldn't tell you about lockups since if root is on anything with raid > underlying, dracut drops to a shell. You are on the bz: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710646 > > Hopefully, someone with apply the

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:17:46 +0100, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > Works very well for me, but: > > - Make sure you're running kernel-3.0-0.rc2.git0.2.fc16 with the > ftrace bug fixed (thanks Kyle). Done. > - Make sure you upgrade module-init-tools *before* installing the 3.0 > kernel.

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 20:47:41 +0400, Lucas wrote: > > I use systemd-28-3.fc16.i686 and updated it when it became available, but > still have real problems > with boot. > If it stops it happens definitely in systemd job - when it is starting > services. > And I can't find any errors. > Mor

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:48:40 +, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2011-06-10, Luke Macken wrote: > > * Buildroot Override Management > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bodhi/BuildRootOverrides > I mean, I know what's buildroot in Koji and that it can be used to > prepare set of binary p

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 13:02:29 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > If not, can you point me at the relevant upstream documentation and I'll > write up an SOP for doing this. If you do something for this, you might want to point to it from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_HOWTO -

Proven Packager help requested with mdadm bug 710646

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710646 mdadm needs a fix to work with the new kernel versioning for 3.0 kernels. Milan Broz has a proposed patch and has asked for commit access to mdadm and no action has been taken by the package owner in over a week since the proposed patch has been po

Re: slightly late heads up: soname bump for gssdp/gupnp

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:11:34 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hey All, > > Sorry for the late notice but there was a soname bump in gssdp/gupnp that I > missed. Most of the broken packages have now been rebuilt and it should be > cleaned up for the next rawhide run. I have hedgewars rebuildi

Re: slightly late heads up: soname bump for gssdp/gupnp

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 13:11:34 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hey All, > > Sorry for the late notice but there was a soname bump in gssdp/gupnp that I > missed. Most of the broken packages have now been rebuilt and it should be > cleaned up for the next rawhide run. Nevermind about hedgewars

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. > Specifically > it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebased to > upstream latest. > > Is anyone willing to become a ne

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 08:16:26 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > I've not been able to give scorched3d the attention it deserves lately. > Specifically > it is lagging with upstream for a while now and really needs to be rebased to > upstream latest. > > Is anyone willing to become a ne

Re: scorched3d needs a new owner

On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 18:36:14 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > > I think we want the update just for F-15. So that people who prefer to stick > on the conservative side of things, who will likely still be running F-14, > won't > get it. I have the easy stuff done already. Now I need to work o

Re: Packages that will be orphaned

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:34:10 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Please reply to this thread if you'd like to take any packages or ping me on > IRC and I'll reply to this thread with what packages have been taken. > (Needed since we aren't orphaning in the pkgdb until Thursday so you need > a

Re: Packages that will be orphaned

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 17:02:01 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > sirius This looks like a reasonable reversi game, so I'll take this one in addition to the others I claimed. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

What to do if upstream disappears?

The sirius project web page has vanished and I haven't been able to find a new one. Should I comment out the old URL and source0 definitions and have source0 just be the archive name? Other than needing a DSO linking fix, the game seems to work, so I don't see a need to drop the package. -- devel

Re: What to do if upstream disappears?

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 03:49:18 -0700, Eric Smith wrote: > On 06/23/2011 06:38 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > The sirius project web page has vanished and I haven't been able to find > > a new one. Should I comment out the old URL and source0 definitions > >

Re: udev in endless loop error Mircocode : CPU0: family 15 not supported

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:54:41 -0400, Cecil Funderburk wrote: > I have release 3.0-0.rc3.git0.3.fc16.x86_64-3.0.0 Version Code 196608 > running on a Gateway netbook LT3101u CPU - AMD ATHLON 64 ATI Radeon graphic > card > > I am getting Mircocode : CPU0: family 15 not supported the udevd is in

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 12:22:25 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > I can't continue to maintain qucs because it FTBS and i'm not able to > solve the problem https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=631404 > i need help or the package will be retired. I'm taking a look at qucs now. I might be able

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 10:21:48 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 12:22:25 +0200, > Eric Tanguy wrote: > > I can't continue to maintain qucs because it FTBS and i'm not able to > > solve the problem https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 20:05:53 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I have already tried the new version with the > same errors. I eventually noticed that in the bug report as well. I think not using tr1 to provide complex functions is the way to go in the short run. Trying

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 08:10:25 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > the normal complex definitions. But I think I have a simple hack to do > it now. The test build is still running, but if it works I'll post the > patches to the bug. The test build completed. I didn't actua

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 22:30:01 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > > Could you help me for this problem also ? I can take a look at it, but probably not for a few days. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: gcc-4.6.0-10.fc15.x86_64 breaks grub-0.97-71.fc15 and later

On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 02:25:56 +0200, "Joshua C." wrote: > I've been testing with grub and found an interesting problem. When I > install the package > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/grub/0.97/71.fc15/x86_64/grub-0.97-71.fc15.x86_64.rpm > everything is fine and grub works as it sho

Re: Orphaning packages

On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 13:06:12 +1000, Amit Saha wrote: > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > I no longer have a need/care for these packages, they are up for grabs: > > > > contacts > > inotail > > I haven't maintained a package before, but I am looking for a starting >

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 22:30:01 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > At the same time qucs-0.0.16 were out a new version of freehdl > appeared 0.0.8 but when i try to build it i have an error about > rpath and i don't know how to solve it : > Could you help me for this problem also ? I did a local bui

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 08:37:05 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > Le 09/07/2011 02:47, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > >On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 22:30:01 +0200, > > Eric Tanguy wrote: > >>At the same time qucs-0.0.16 were out a new version of freehdl > >>appeared 0

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 12:54:23 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > You are right. The scratch build build fine and the package is now on bodhi. > I can't understand why there was a problem on my local build! > Thanks > Eric If you aren't using fedpkg to do the local build, you might not be passing th

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 18:50:43 +0200, Eric Tanguy wrote: > Le 09/07/2011 14:53, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > > > > If you aren't using fedpkg to do the local build, you might not be passing > > the correct config options. I seem to remember that %config passes an >

Re: Comaintaining and/or help for qucs and freehdl

On Sat, Jul 09, 2011 at 19:30:56 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Eric Tanguy wrote: > > Le 09/07/2011 14:53, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > >> > >> If you aren't using fedpkg to do the local build, you might not be passing > >&

Re: Garbled display and touchpad configuration

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:23:21 -0400, ceco wrote: > Ok folks I know everyone is busy but it's time to actually sit down and write > a driver for the ATI Radeon card used in a lot of laptops. This has been a > topic/bug in the forums since 2008 without being resolved and the > work-arounds a

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 15:28:59 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Orphan pychess > comaintained by: salimma I'll take this one. It's a nice enough chess program that I want to keep it. > Orphan: gdk-pixbuf > freetennis requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12 I'll take this o

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages in F-16

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 16:22:05 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said: > > > Orphan: gdk-pixbuf > > > freetennis requires gdk-pixbuf-devel = 1:0.22.0-38.fc12 > > > > I'll take this one to keep freetennis, which seem

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 16:35:42 -0600, Adam Miller wrote: > > +1 for the last ... 3? .. 4? ... how every many posts from Toshio, > each well stated and I agree on the points stated. I think he is putting up strawmen. Just because there is a target audience doesn't mean that anyone not directl

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:07:23 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > OTOH, I wasn't able to find anything written for either the KDE or desktop > SIGs > that can be construed as a statement of target audience so even if they > appear to be aiming at the same targets, we don't know for sure. Thi

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:13:40 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > (I probably should have also dropped the 3d games, but by the time I > > figured that out we had working 3d support with free drivers on some > > cards.) > > We do. The ATI Radeo

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:30:11 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > The 9200 does 3d now, but for a while it didn't. OpenGL stuff just started > > working again shortly before the F12 release. I have one on my primary > > desktop machine. >

Re: rawhide report: 20100208 changes

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 15:40:48 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > > Same here, a slowly growing list of packages. > > What's up with the maintainers of the packages? MIA? Most of the > packages in this broken-list are broken since some time. glest got broke by the xerces update and doesn't clea

Re: No Frozen Rawhide coming soon! New paths on mirrors!

On Mon, Feb 08, 2010 at 16:33:54 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Do the maintainers multitask that much to work on updates for official > releases, develop a new release, and start work on the next release? Yes. I don't know how much, but the idea is that rawhide will continue to get radicial

Re: F13 with nvidia card/nouveau driver

On Tue, Feb 09, 2010 at 16:50:25 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > Anyone with this type setup tried upgrading via yum from F12 to F13 and > got the graphics to work, even as of yesterday? Seems the last few > weeks I can't get it working at all. I am getting some real 3d support on my nv28. I did

Re: rawhide report: 20100211 changes

On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 17:03:14 +, Rawhide Report wrote: > Compose started at Thu Feb 11 08:15:15 UTC 2010 > > Broken deps for i386 > -- > glest-3.2.2-2.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 I got a working build of glest last n

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:39:02 +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > Hi all, > I want to package a sofware using a bundled lzma sdk which fedora doesn't > have(http://7-zip.org/sdk.html). > Since I realized no linux distribution containing lzma sdk yet, is using a > bundled library permitted under this

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:50:52 +0800, Chen Lei wrote: > I realized from "http://tukaani.org/xz/"; the core of the xz utils > compression code is based on LZMA SDK, but it has been modified quite a lot > to be suitable for XZ Utils. > So I think we should ship lzma sdk for fedora in paralle

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:02:56 +0100, Milos Jakubicek wrote: > Hi Chen, > > On 12.2.2010 12:50, Chen Lei wrote: > > I realized from "http://tukaani.org/xz/"; the core of the xz utils > > compression code is based on LZMA SDK , but > > it has been modified quite a l

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:25:14 +0100, Milos Jakubicek wrote: > On 12.2.2010 19:17, Chen Lei wrote: > >lzma itself already replaced by xz-lzma-compat several months ago. > >xz-lzma-compat provides lzma=5. > > Am I dumb, oh yes of course, this is since the xz review, sorry for > confusion! > >

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 13:34:48 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > > Another related note is that someone wanted a src package for it because > > they had something that would only build with access to the source. I am > > not planning on providing that, but wanted people to be aware we had a > > req

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 15:04:06 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > > Going forward, there should be a -libs package (and probably a -devel package) > and its use should be encouraged (instead of lzma source), particularly for > new uses. Probably it is too difficult to force _all_ existing uses of l

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:57:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I'll take a quick look over the weekend. We probably want to wait until > > the branch next week anyway. I have been meaning to get back to > > squashfs-tools in any case, as this

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:57:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I'll take a quick look over the weekend. We probably want to wait until > > the branch next week anyway. I have been meaning to get back to > > squashfs-tools in any case, as this

Re: Fedora rawhide FTBFS status 2010-02-10 x86_64

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:50:29 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > Of those expected to have worked... > Without a bug filed: 659 > -- > glest-3.2.2-2.fc12 (build/make) bruno,bruno I believe I fixed glest on 2010-02-11. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: rawhide report: 20100213 changes

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:27:59 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=562514 > > You may have to edit you grub.conf. Look for missing lines compared to > working stanzas. That might not be the problem here. I am getting the initrd lines added now when

Re: Name that Tree!

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 16:52:55 +0100, Sven Lankes wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 07:48:07AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > >> Why not just call it 13 now, and 14 next time, and so on? It doesn't > >> really need to have its own name that's always the same... > > > Mostly because it beco

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:57:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I'll take a quick look over the weekend. We probably want to wait until > > the branch next week anyway. I have been meaning to get back to > > squashfs-tools in any case, as this

Re: rawhide report: 20100213 changes

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 12:10:02 -0800, darrell pfeifer wrote: > > A version of rsyslog was causing the boot to hang. Moving it out of init.d > for a while fixed it until a new version came along. Using chkconfig to turn it off is the more standard way to not run a service. -- devel mailing l

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 13:34:13 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > It seems Lougher added a wrapper for xz about a week ago. I haven't tried it > out yet, but I think that will likely make it significantly easier for me > to get 4.1 into rawhide. I won't do this before t

Suggestion: An earlier freeze for soname bumps

It is hard to do testing for spins when there is also some broken dependency in rawhide. (The latest last minute breakage being gmime.) Doing soname bumps right before the alpha freeze (I think under the new development rules the updates would be blocked for beta and beyond) results in fire drills

Re: Name that Tree!

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:57:51 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: > > Maybe follow the kernel naming scheme .. > > 12 is the released version > 12.x is what will become 13 .. > 13.rc is now a release candidate (no longer development) > 13 is released Anything related to the next release sho

Re: No lzma sdk in fedora

I did some testing of the dev squashfs and found it reduced the game spin size by 10%. (This was a nonfunctional spin, since the kernel wouldn't handle the lzma squashfs image.) mksquashfs uses multiple processors for both zlib and lzma compression. I made a spin using the dev squashfs using the de

Re: Name that Tree!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25:03 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > > The obvious way to call something which is not 13, but is something > a little less than 13 is 12.9, but I agree with you that it would be better > to have 13 in the name instead of 12, so, logically: > > 12.0, 12.1, 12.2, 1

Git 1.7 and git push?

I saw that there is a change in the way git push works in 1.7. Currently I only do simple things and a typical workflow is: git pull Make a few changes git commit -a git push This normally does a fast forward update and avoids a merge. Is there another way I should be doing this? Does the answer c

Re: Git 1.7 and git push?

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 18:08:37 +0100, Haïkel Guémar wrote: > Le 15/02/2010 17:37, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > > I saw that there is a change in the way git push works in 1.7. > > Currently I only do simple things and a typical workflow is: > > git pull > > Make a fe

Re: rawhide report: 20100216 changes

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:39:48 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > We don't necessarily have a soname freeze. I kind of wish we did, but > I'm sure that'd be met with lots of loud yelling. It'd be nice to remind people that soname bumps (typically) create work for other people and that can caus

Re: Name that Tree!

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 08:34:01 +, Frank Murphy wrote: > > I presume "branched" will then be repointed to an alpha F14. > rawhide F15 That doesn't happen at the release of F13, but rather at F14 alpha freeze. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject

Did dependency checking have a glitch in devel?

I got a message about cegui having a broken dependency in devel that didn't seem to make any sense since all of the dependencies in the package referred to subparts of the package having matching versions. I hadn't changed it for about a week, so it seemed suspicious that it showed up the day after

Re: Fedora 13 has been branched!!

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 01:32:33 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > There is more flexibility for n+2 but I doubt that anybody will/can make > use of it. We not even have a feature process for F14, so why would > anyone start a feature now? Because it didn't make it for F13? I have stuff I want

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 14:49:18 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > Imho it is more a perversion of how it is meant to be. This package was > tested before it went to updates-testing and therefore went straight to > stable. But the majority of packages goes to updates-testing and is not > tested by so

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:29:00 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 10:28 -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Chris Adams wrote: > > > > > EPEL has run this way for a while, and it doesn't seem to be a problem. > > > > EPEL does not have a 6 month release cyc

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 19:11:30 +0530, "Parag N(पराग़)" wrote: > > Gr8, maintainers already got overhead by introducing branched F-13 > and devel branches which made people to stop pushing updates to F-13 > as we need to push them using bodhi and now bodhi also got > restrictions. I think peop

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 02:38:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > I'd say not even that. If you miss a release, there is one coming up in > > the not too distant future and it isn't a big deal. And if a few hardy > > soles want to look at yo

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 23:48:47 -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > > P.S. I don't use enablerepo. I'll yum install a local copy of the rpm and > > see > > what it needs if it doesn't install successfully. > >

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30:52 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: > > [speaking of which where on earth is 2.6.32.9 ] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158902 And if you want the latest 2.6.33 build: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158529 There is also a

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:51:06 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: > > Thanks. Are there any toolsets (dracut, grubby, or other system tools) > that need to be updated to move from .33 fc12 to either .33 or .34 out > of f13 ? I don't know. I didn't try 2.6.33 on any f12 systems before I updated to f1

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:52:18 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: > On 02/27/2010 12:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:30:52 -0500, > > Mail Lists wrote: > >> > >> [speaking of which where on earth is 2.6.32.9 ] > > > >

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 15:48:15 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes wrote: > > > > - Allow maintainers to see number of downloads by users who have > > opted-in to share that data. If not number, then a simple range. > > > *That* would be awesome. Be

Thrashing between updates-testing and updates

Currently I am following F13 and I have been noticing a lot of packages disappearing from updates-testing before showing up in the branched release (but similar things happen with normal updates, just less often). When things disappear from updates-testing it isn't immediately obvious if this is b

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:16:09 -0500, Will Woods wrote: > > That's an interesting test case, actually. I'm not sure we currently > check packages against the corresponding versions *other* releases. You'd want to also check obsoltess. Packages that are dropped without be obsoleted can also

Re: Thrashing between updates-testing and updates

On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 12:26:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > We could have the branched compose compose from dist-f13 + dist-f13-updates > and move everything which was part of its compose from dist-f13-updates to > dist-f13 on completion. That way dist-f13-updates would only contain the

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:14:09 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Seth doesn't fix bugs even when they are apparent and when there is no > risk at all. yum is a very critical package. Even if the chance of an undetected regression is low, the consequences of pushing an update with one can be pre

Re: Worthless updates

On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 10:19:43 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 11:58 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > I added a proposal to this page to codify my thoughts. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Lifecycle_Proposals > > > > I do like this proposal, and I like w

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 22:09:25 +, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > Your axioms are obviously wrong. An update which simply bumped a > release number would have the same functionality. Since you claim > these are axioms -- self-evident truths that form the basis for > further argument, an

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 23:52:24 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > It takes days for updates to be distributed to mirrors. A week may be > nothing for that important power-user of app 'A', who would find a problem > as soon as he *would* try out a test-update. Some mirrors. Others have stuff

Re: Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 17:30:14 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 23:52:24 +0100, > > Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > > > It takes days for updates to be distributed to mirrors.

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 12:30:32 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > > Seth Vidal wrote: > >> you have been on websites that allow anonymous posting, right? You know > >> what happens to them? > > > > Yes, anonymous polling is liking playing with

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 09:57:15 -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > I prefer to work on the server in X. The massive X changes over the > last few releases introduced problems were for a good cause (but at > the time were painful). I expect that to be fairly settled down, as I > don't run any

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 12:07:20 -0500, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > > To some extent, I view my current contribution to Fedora as being > unreasonable and insisting that it be able to perform basic server > tasks reasonably for a small home system. If it can't do that, why > would I bel

Re: PROPOSAL: Fedora user survey

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:53:49 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > What I don't get, seriously, is why people in 2. can't use rawhide or > the latest updates-testing and instead pretend to inflict "almost > rawhide" on everybody else. Because updates-testing is really for testing not for providing

Re: To semi-rolling or not to semi-rolling, that is the question...

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 14:06:12 -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: > > Things like the libata kernel change and KDE 3 to 4 migration are > intentional events and all that's needed to make the transition smooth > is to coordinate the release of a seamless upgrade package set. You I lived through the

Re: QA's Package update policy proposal

On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 15:43:04 -0500, James Laska wrote: > > 1. repoclosure/conflicts - no package update can introduce broken > deps or conflicts. I'd recommend we apply this to both > 'updates-testing' and 'updates' (but that's detailed below) > 2. Package sanity

Re: Updates proposal - alternative draft 1

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:20:21 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > As opposed to fake security threats? In the case of the kernel, if the > new kernel update we rush through without passing via updates-testing > repo doesn't boot you can always boot back into an older kernel but We can do that, b

Re: Updates proposal - alternative draft 1

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 00:52:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Let me know what you think This should be split into two policy proposals. One should cover QA related processes for pushing updates. The second should cover expectations on what kinds of updates packagers should be pushing to

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:06:58 -0800, Steven I Usdansky wrote: > Instead of worrying about the occasional brokenness caused by an update to a > stable release, how about focusing on a mechanism to easily recover from it? > As long as the update hasn't corrupted any critical files, my non-opt

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:53:18 +0100, Alexander Kahl wrote: > > There are of course cases where package maintainer work and QA can > improve rollback quality: I got burned a while back by a Sunbird change (maybe in a library it uses) that broke access to my local calendar data. I was not a h

Re: Webcam test day - results deleted?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 21:43:24 +, mike cloaked wrote: > I was just about to enter some webcam test results but the results > that were there earlier seem to have disappeared! Is it just me or > has some clutz deleted the entries? Did you look at the history? That might give a clue if it

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 15:31:26 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > Ubuntu's method satisfies more users, that is why they use Ubuntu. > People¹ use Fedora because it is leading edge. If we sacrifice that > identity, then people¹ won't have any reason to use Fedora over Ubuntu. > > (¹not ever

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