in this new
release of this particular distribution they need to run this special
command to prevent boot problems from granting root access to whoever
can type on the keyboard.
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Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Björn Persson said:
> > Chris Adams wrote:
> > > If the admin has done one thing to lock down the system, then they can
> > > do another (removing the sulogin --force addition).
> >
> > How do you propose to ens
this case, Grub should also by default require root's or a wheel
user's passphrase before boot parameters can be changed. That is
consistent.
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oot entry for the rescue mode, then maybe Grub
could be programmed to require a passphrase before it will boot that
entry?
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> or similar, please make sure that you install those libraries too if
> appropriate.
Was "not" supposed to be "now"? Otherwise these statements don't make
sense together.
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Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> $ license-validate-v'GPL or (MIT and BSD)'
> No terminal defined for 'G' at line 1 col 1
Approximately nobody will understand "No terminal defined for 'G'". Can
the error message be improved?
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2041667
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Thus an open Bugzilla ticket is no indication
that the package is unmaintained. You need to check what version is
actually in Rawhide.
If the Bugzilla tickets should in fact not be left open, then they
should be automatically closed just like they're automatically opened.
Björn Persson
Ben Cotton wrote:
> I would support removing the 113 who don't exist in Koji.
If they have been that way for a long time, I suppose. Don't cause
additional hurdles for newcomers just because their first review takes
a while.
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ddress – and set a new email address in their
account. Entering the old email address again would be allowed, in case
they have recovered the domain, but they would have to prove that they
can receive a confirmation message regardless of whether the new address
is the same as the old a
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 15/02/2022 19:43, Björn Persson wrote:
> > The packager would then be required to authenticate with their existing
> > credentials – or prove their identity in some way that does not rely on
> > ownership of the email address – and set a
tep 6 cannot happen before
step 3. That way the Fedora Project could reliably prevent this kind of
attack.
I hope this explanation is clear enough to be understood. In case of
TL;DR, the short version is four posts upthread from here.
So, does step 3 exist?
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efore the domain is released for
registration. Let's just not make it so tight that a little unscheduled
downtime can open an attack window.
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Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> Il 19/02/22 19:38, Björn Persson ha scritto:
> > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >> I think it'd be better to check the status weekly and only require
> >> account reconfirmation if the quarantine status is detected ⌊N / 7 -
Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> Security keys are the only form of 2fa that is immune to
> phishing attacks.
U2F and FIDO2 are said to be immune to phishing. HOTP, TOTP and various
proprietary challenge-respone protocols are not immune.
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instead of retyping. (Still
not as good as U2F of course.)
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curl-minimal suited only for programs that only
communicate with a predefined set of servers in ASCII-only domains. Any
program that accepts user-provided URLs will need curl-full to be able
to handle arbitrary domain names, even if the program speaks only HTTPS,
HTTP and FTP.
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people
will start using it? Guess what – everybody else is also waiting for
everybody else.
This is the same deadlock that hampers IPv6, encrypted email and many
other things. Everybody's waiting for everybody else to move first.
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would
impact me if I had a private mirror, but I don't. For downloading
files from a command line, my habit is to use Wget, so I guess I'm
dodging that bullet.
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> There seems to be demand for libcurl with IDN support on minimal Fedora
> installations, so I created a pull request to enable it in libcurl-minimal:
>
> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/curl/pull-request/13
Thank you.
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Zdenek Dohnal wrote:
> the schedule for the first no-driver was proposed
What is a no-driver?
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anyone wants to test things themself.
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place the key every few hours or days. The Signature field
is different every time though. Thus I'm not sure whether the
attacker's time limit is the lifetime of the key (which Fedora can't
control) or the TCP timeout.
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the file's content, then I think the script should do that
to verify that files with a ".la" suffix really are Libtool archives
before deleting them.
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tarball. So
don't do that.
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https:
and BTRFS, not clouds or devops. But the licensing
situation makes ZFS painful, and BTRFS seems to take forever to mature,
so it should be expected that many people will choose software RAID
instead.
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this change is
authorized? Do I disable FS-verity for that specific file? Disable
FS-verity globally? Add my own key to the kernel's keyring? Build and
sign my own RPM package?
What prevents an attacker from doing the same?
Will files under /etc be covered, or will local configuration still be
possi
Paul Wouters wrote:
> So I guess the problem that is used is
> /usr/libexec/gnome-shell-portal-helper
Writing "problem" instead of "program" seems quite appropriate, given
the quality of most software in the world.
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In Fedora "guidelines" usually means "strict regulations". :-Þ
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another consequence of not designing a
programming language with enough forethought to make future versions
backward-compatible. I suppose we'll get rid of it some day when all
Sphinx plugins have been ported to Python 3.
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ture, and shouldn't be expected to work if the pathname isn't
processed by a shell. Unless Fedpkg promises shell-like expansion
features, that pathname truly is invalid.
I don't know why you didn't have this problem earlier. Perhaps it
worked by accident before because a shell wa
der as simple and straightforward as possible to
minimize the risk of problems. I would hate to run into some bug that
renders the system unusable, and then find that I can't do anything
about it because a separate bug causes Grub to not display the boot
menu.
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> such POC already _has_.
Please post your proof of concept so that people can discuss some
actual code instead of vague and unsubstantiated claims.
Don't forget that if your proof of concept can be modified to either
overwrite or append to ~/.bashrc, then it's irreleva
Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 at 23:21, Björn Persson wrote:
> [..]
> > Don't forget that if your proof of concept can be modified to either
> > overwrite or append to ~/.bashrc, then it's irrelevant to this debate.
>
> before ~/.bashrc is execu
really*
sick of all the security by handwaving that's going on in this thread.
Could everybody please discuss *relevant* attack scenarios, instead of
scenarios that begin with the attacker already having so much access
that the value of PATH doesn't matter?
Bj
Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
> Just please add /usr/local/bin/id text file with content:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> echo "No one expects The Spanish Inquisition!"
> exec /usr/bin/id $*
I can't:
bash: /usr/local/bin/id: Permission denied
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t holds water.
I jumped into this debate because I couldn't stomach all the "It's
insecure because handwaving." and "It's insecure because I've said so
several times.".
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> >> > So the assumption is to have a super sophisticated browser exploit for
> >>
updates (except that one which will
> remove ~/.local/bin/ from the $PATH) would be able to stop damage ones
> done.
>
> Would you consider now classify such change as serious vulnerability
> introduction?
If you state a falsehood again and again it will eventually become true?
Bjö
't likely to break something unrelated.
That's one reason why I'm not convinced that this change is a good
idea. It obviously has nothing to do with security though. It's a
matter of safety, which is different from security.
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Till Maas wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 07:24:54PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Till Maas wrote:
> > > I do not see any reason why a user would put something in ~/bin that
> > > would mask something in /usr/bin except to actually mask the binary. It
> &
> Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora.
> >
> >
> > == Detailed description ==
> > Remove packages from the distribution
>
> IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next release.
>
> Should the change be called differently
or agreeing on a meeting time across
borders.
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ly
> does voice and IM could that provide a way forward?
If that would remove the dependency on FFMPEG, then I suppose that
would work around that problem at least.
You could also try packaging Jami in RPM Fusion, if FFMPEG is the only
obstacle.
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he sha256sum step.) According to the manual, GnuPG can
look up keys in DNS in various ways, but it tries only Web Key Directory
by default. I think therefore that the greatest advantage of publishing
the keys in DNS is that it can help with verifying installation images,
but it might be even
use different methods for
> authenticating with your FAS account.
>
> koji uses kerberos, bodhi uses OpenID over HTTP, dist-git uses SSH ...
It wouldn't be a user interface problem if they'd all fetch the
passcode from the same keyring. Then the user wouldn't need to know h
ariety of MUAs can pick up the emails from
/var/spool/mail.
But I guess those who want fewer daemons won't be happy to see Postfix
added just for a chance to be warned about an imminent breakdown.
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x27;s a kernel thread called "edac-poller", so I don't know
whether the runtime overhead is any lower.
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2021 at 10:26:50AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > > It can, but most people don't have a good setup for even local mail
> > > delivery. Out of the box, we don't really do anything useful.
> > It wouldn't tak
ess is trusted. You state that the DNS server
isn't necessarily in the same domain as the repository, so it's not as
simple as comparing the domain names. Could you explain how the email
address is validated?
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Descript
-a-week/
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/02/supply-chain-attack-that-fooled-apple-and-microsoft-is-attracting-copycats/
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ething like "Fedora Family", because it's a number of closely
related distributions which are suitable for use at home?
Or something like "Fedora Flow", alluding to frequent releases and a
steady stream of updates?
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Fedora is a software distribution. It
contains Linux, many GNU components, RPM, MariaDB, Libreoffice and lots
of other things, but its name is "Fedora". Or call it "Fedora Software
Distribution" or anything else that doesn't single out any of the
components. That approac
a CoreOS, not Fedora Linux" makes no sense either,
because Fedora CoreOS would be a subset of Fedora Linux if I understand
you correctly.
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/apache2,
/etc/apache2, apache2.service and so on. That's a real nuisance.
Working with both Debian and CentOS I always have trouble remembering
whether it's /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd, and apache2.service or
httpd.service. Both have apachectl though, not httpctl.
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e release notes seem
to use "signature scheme" and "signature algorithm" interchangeably,
and the manual uses "host key algorithms" and "key types" when it seems
to actually be talking about signature schemes.
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your password, so it doesn't
> really play nice with password managers.
Such kludges shouldn't be exposed in user interfaces if it can be
avoided. A web interface should be able to receive two strings in two
separate fields, and concatenate them if the backend requires that.
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done in the login
session, then successful attacks will be less frequent, because then
the attacker first needs the victim's passphrase. Side-channel
authentication is a design flaw none the less. There's no point to
having a second factor if it's so weak that the security depends mos
That turns the "security question" into a backup
passphrase. If you want people to do this, then it's better to ask them
to make up a passphrase.
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ing that a word like "Jamaica" is useful as a password – if
it's checked server-side that the two passwords are not similar – but
it's not two-factor authentication if both passwords are stored in the
same password manager.
I'm not going to speculate on how you mean that &qu
/886
I think that's a good idea. If it gets implemented, then we can remove
check-rpaths from the Ada spec files – but there might be other similar
usecases where something runs in %check to check files in the buildroot,
which would break if %check would be moved before %install.
Björn Persson
GPLv3+ with exceptions.
gnatcoll-gmp, gnatcoll-readline and gnatcoll-xref are still GPLv3+.
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how a network problem can impact the
usability of debugging tools. Could it for example make GDB hang for a
minute every time it encounters a new source filename?
Finally, if somebody doesn't like the answers to the above questions,
then they'll want to know how to disable the feature.
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
> Björn Persson writes:
>
> > · How is it verified that files received from debuginfo servers have not
> > been tampered with?
>
> Following up further to this, we're planning to add optional client-side
> hash-verification of
/.var/app/org.gnome.Tetravex/cache/debuginfod_client/a2429c266188acc10181f6936915f35274bb4a38/debuginfo
> Downloading separate debug info for /lib64/libcap.so.2...
I was wondering what the user experience would be like in such a
situation. Could you estimate how long you had to wait in tota
eouts should not be happening any more.
It is however a good illustration of how a network problem can destroy
the user experience. Five minutes is a long wait. I'm glad that we now
have this information.
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Frank Ch. Eigler wrote:
> Björn Persson writes:
> > And as you noted yourself, an attacker who can manipulate cached files
> > client-side has already taken over the user account anyway.
>
> Yes and no, and so I must disagree with your "won't improve ... for
, compiler, assembler, linker and
whatever else may be involved.
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Which component in Bugzilla might be responsible for this mess?
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Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 8:53 AM Björn Persson wrote:
> >
> > I used yum system-upgrade to upgrade from Fedora 32 to Fedora 34. Now
> > Grub complains about not finding some theme files, and then displays a
> > menu with two kernels from Fedora 29 and
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> Dnia Sat, May 08, 2021 at 02:51:31PM +0200, Björn Persson napisał(a):
> > I used yum system-upgrade to upgrade from Fedora 32 to Fedora 34. Now
> > Grub complains about not finding some theme files, and then displays a
>
> Missing theme files
ub.cfg
That file contains the outdated menu entries I described. Is there a
way to recreate it from the Dracut shell, or with the filesystem
temporarily mounted on another Fedora 32 system?
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should get,
none of the outdated entries I actually see.
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situations like this.) Then I
ran "grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" to get the boot working
normally.
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To u
using and updating
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg, leaving /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg to go stale,
and the upgrade replaced the file in use with the stale one.
This would mean that different programs have different ideas about
which grub.cfg is in use.
See also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=195
er how I will know whether I'm
sending my sensitive document to my USB printer or to some impostor on
a wifi network.
I wish working software could just continue working. Obviously that's
far too sane for this insane world.
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ices that trust the wifi network to protect them. Assuming
that all the nodes on the local link are friendly is criminally naïve.
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printer and an auto-found printer, so I can continue to have
my printer configured and know that I'm sending to that one?
Do I need to explain, detail by detail, the errors in the reasoning
"People don't print on untrusted networks. Therefore any network with a
printer on it is trusted.
printer name/identifier just
> so they can capture a document *you* want to print, but if there's that
> level of persistant hostile presence on your local network, you're
> already completly screwed.
I would be if I would use insecure protoco
ected by
USB, and I would like to continue to have that choice.
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Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 08:15:46PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > And I always try to avoid using protocols that assume that the local
> > link is secure. That's one of the reasons why my printer is connected by
> > USB, and I would like to co
;. For any reasonable reading of the manual,
"BrowseLocalProtocols none" should have the same effect as "Browsing
No". It seems safest to turn off both, but I'm not at all sure whether
that prevents network printers from showing up in my print dialogs.
B
d around by temporarily adding "SHA1"
to /etc/crypto-policies/back-ends/nss.config.
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Fedora.
I use this laptop to develop and test performance measurement tools. It
handles build jobs, testsuites and virtual machines just fine. The days
when a three-year-old computer was too slow to be useful are long gone.
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7;s still dangerous to let known security holes accumulate.
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er's brain is the
other factor. In that case a TOTP seed stored in a Yubikey becomes a
third factor.
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To unsu
that requires
authentication, if the previous ticket has expired. Don't ask for
authentication just for the sake of renewing a ticket when the user is
doing something else. That would teach users dangerous habits.
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up with the software's demands, but
that takes much longer than ten years nowadays.
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way, the forum post is an example of a user who is dissatisfied
with UEFI for some reason, and wants to boot in BIOS mode instead.
Dropping BIOS-boot support from Fedora would presumably not make that
person any happier.
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Once you have the key, remember to pass all three parameters to
gpgverify: --keyring, --signature and --data.
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m-Wide Change proposal)"
Once you write "proposal", the word "change" becomes rather redundant.
What proposal doesn't propose any kind of change? If somebody doesn't
want to change anything, they won't write a proposal.
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less
animation. Even the text that is right there in the HTML code is hidden.
Instead it wants me to execute a bunch of Javascript from at least three
different domains. When a website expects me to execute some unknown
program before they'll even tell me who they are or what they
vbe/&&/xsave/)
> level = 3
> if (level == 3 &&
> /avx512f/&&/avx512bw/&&/avx512cd/&&/avx512dq/&&/avx512vl/) level = 4
> if (level > 0) { print "CPU supports x86-64-v" level; exit level + 1 }
> exit 1
> }
might be caused
> by limited system resources. From the provided error message it looks
> like insufficient RAM/buffer size.
Perhaps limiting the length of the error message could prevent overuse
of system resources? I doubt anyone actually wants a super-wide alert
window.
Björn Persson
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sy at the time. I don't know a
convenient way to do that, so I end up installing updates when they
show up in the updates repository.
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is rather similar to
/usr/share/bash-completion, /usr/share/man, /usr/share/info and various
other directories that filesystem owns.
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slations of RPM descriptions
and summaries, which is sad, but in that case there certainly shouldn't
be a "SHOULD" in the Review Guidelines.
Björn Persson
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Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> We would need to get legal clearance to use "Adams" I presume.
We could choose something less likely to cause legal trouble, such as
"Deep Thought", "Life, The Universe and Everything", "The Answer",
"Arthur Dent&quo
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 06:42:28PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > In the case of --wait-repo it would make sense to request and await a
> > refresh after the build, to guarantee that when the koji command exits
> > successfully the repo includes the newly
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