Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 12:27:46PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Would it make you feel better if I added a para to the Change page saying > > that the sysusers.d definition may be split out into a separate package > > if desired? > > > > Yes, it would. Guidelines for these kinds of splits should a

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Igor Gnatenko
But what about users which actually have ffmpeg installed? Do you think they don't deserve having peek in menu? On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 04:02 John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:34:27 PM MST Leigh Scott wrote: > > > Why we should drop such useful app just because it doesn't w

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 1/2/20 5:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: For us, since we don't have the SUSE patches that make PreReq do things, the way we'd declare this with upstream RPM features would be: Please don't spread misinformation, openSUSE doesn't have patches to

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/2/20 6:55 PM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2020 7:34:27 PM MST Leigh Scott wrote: Why we should drop such useful app just because it doesn't work on Cinnamon? It works on GNOME without ffpmeg and rpm fusion repo, see screenshot [1]. Please prevent your useless app fro

Re: Heads up: Updating Python RPM dependency generators

2020-01-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 02. 01. 20 9:59, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, this is just a heads up that we are about to update the Python RPM dependency generators to support versions like 1.2.*, the ~= operator etc. See the PR: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-generators/pull-request/4 The code is tested a

Re: Heads up: Updating Python RPM dependency generators

2020-01-03 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Ugh, that is a bug in the generator. It should do something like ((x with y) or (z with 0)). On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:26 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 02. 01. 20 9:59, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, this is just a heads up that we are about to update the Python RPM > > dependency generators to s

Re: Heads up: Updating Python RPM dependency generators

2020-01-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 03. 01. 20 10:26, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 02. 01. 20 9:59, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, this is just a heads up that we are about to update the Python RPM dependency generators to support versions like 1.2.*, the ~= operator etc. See the PR: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-rpm-gener

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Leigh Scott
> But what about users which actually have ffmpeg installed? Do you think > they don't deserve having peek in menu? > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 04:02 John M. Harris Jr wrote: NO, it's not required on cinnamon, users can use the screenshot+ Record desktop applet instead. ___

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread František Šumšal
On 1/3/20 10:49 AM, Leigh Scott wrote: >> But what about users which actually have ffmpeg installed? Do you think >> they don't deserve having peek in menu? >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 04:02 John M. Harris Jr > wrote: > > NO, it's not required on cinnamon, users can use the screenshot+ Record > de

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 13:07:40 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 02.01.2020 10:05, Benson Muite wrote: > > I suspect there would be interest in having a royalty free version of > > FFMPEG > > No, please, don't do this. It will be a huge headache for RPM Fusion > maintainers. What sort

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:01 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 1/2/20 5:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > For us, since we don't have the SUSE patches that make PreReq do > > things, the way we'd declare this with upstream RPM features would be: >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 1/3/20 12:35 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:01 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: On 1/2/20 5:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: For us, since we don't have the SUSE patches that make PreReq do things, the way we'd declare this with upstre

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 5:42 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > > On 1/3/20 12:35 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:01 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: > >> > >> On 1/2/20 5:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >>> For us, since we don't have

Re: Heads up: Updating Python RPM dependency generators

2020-01-03 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 03. 01. 20 10:33, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 03. 01. 20 10:26, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 02. 01. 20 9:59, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, this is just a heads up that we are about to update the Python RPM dependency generators to support versions like 1.2.*, the ~= operator etc. See the PR: https://s

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Adopting sysusers.d format

2020-01-03 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 1/3/20 12:43 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 5:42 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: On 1/3/20 12:35 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:01 AM Panu Matilainen wrote: On 1/2/20 5:29 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Ben Cotton wrote: For us, since

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 03 January 2020 at 11:14, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 13:07:40 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > On 02.01.2020 10:05, Benson Muite wrote: > > > I suspect there would be interest in having a royalty free version of > > > FFMPEG > > > > No, please, don't do

GenericError: cannot update build

2020-01-03 Thread Brad Bell
I do not understand this error message; i.e., I have no idea what the cause is ? Looking at the informaiton for the build     https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=40063178 The only failure message I see is     GenericError: cannot update build 1425936, state: COMPLETE The output

Re: GenericError: cannot update build

2020-01-03 Thread Jan Synacek
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:37 PM Brad Bell wrote: > I do not understand this error message; i.e., I have no idea what the > cause is ? > > Looking at the informaiton for the build > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=40063178 > > The only failure message I see is > Gener

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 12:14:37 +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > > I suspect there would be interest in having a royalty free version of > > > > FFMPEG > > > > > > No, please, don't do this. It will be a huge headache for RPM Fusion > > > maintainers. > > > > What sort of "h

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 5:00 AM František Šumšal wrote: > > On 1/3/20 10:49 AM, Leigh Scott wrote: > >> But what about users which actually have ffmpeg installed? Do you think > >> they don't deserve having peek in menu? > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 04:02 John M. Harris Jr >> wrote: > > > > NO,

lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Code Zombie
Hi lv2-sorcer cannot be installed on Fedora 31. Seems like the libntk lib needed by the package is not provided by any packages. The full installation error is as follows: ``` sudo dnf install lv2-sorcer Last metadata expiration check: 0:32:35 ago on Fri 03 Jan 2020 08:00:41 AM EST. Error: Prob

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Artem Tim
I did draft package of vokoscreenNG if someone interesting RR: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1787578 Works without ffmpeg. Thanks for tip @Neal. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-l

Re: lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 08:36:45AM -0500, Code Zombie wrote: > Hi > > lv2-sorcer cannot be installed on Fedora 31. Seems like the libntk lib > needed by the package is not provided by any packages. The full > installation error is as follows: > > ``` > sudo dnf install lv2-sorcer > Last metadata

Fwd: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread J. Scheurich
Hi, I tried: $ fedpkg clone wdune Cloning into 'wdune'... muft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org: Permission denied (publickey). fatal: Could not read from remote repository. Please make sure you have the correct access rights and the repository exists. Could not execute clone: Failed to execute comman

Re: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:08 PM J. Scheurich wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried: > > $ fedpkg clone wdune > Cloning into 'wdune'... > muft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org: Permission denied (publickey). > fatal: Could not read from remote repository. > > Please make sure you have the correct access rights > and

Re: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread J. Scheurich
You might have to wait a bit until the changes have propagated. If it still doesn't work, make sure the .ssh/id_rsa file has mode 600, otherwise OpenSSH will give you errors. Thanks, but it still do not work: $ ls -l .ssh/id_rsa.pub -rw---. 1 mufti mufti 575 Jan  3 13:41 .ssh/id_rsa.pub [muf

Re: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 03 January 2020 at 14:28, J. Scheurich wrote: > > You might have to wait a bit until the changes have propagated. > > If it still doesn't work, make sure the .ssh/id_rsa file has mode 600, > > otherwise OpenSSH will give you errors. > Thanks, but it still do not work: > > $ ls -l .ssh/i

Re: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread J. Scheurich
On 1/3/20 3:55 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: What does ssh -vvvmuft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org say? $ ssh -vvv muft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org OpenSSH_8.1p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1d FIPS  10 Sep 2019 debug1: Reading configuration data /home/home/mufti/.ssh/config debug1: Reading configuration

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 03.01.2020 11:14, Michael Schwendt wrote: > What sort of "huge headache" would that be? 1. Most of ffmpeg-capable applications use compile-time checks for available codecs presence. 2. Sync errors between repositories like chromium and chromium-libs-media-freeworld. > Third party repos like RP

Re: Fedora Account Data Update mufti11

2020-01-03 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 03 January 2020 at 15:03, J. Scheurich wrote: > > > On 1/3/20 3:55 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > What does > > ssh -vvv muft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org > > say? > $ ssh -vvv muft...@pkgs.fedoraproject.org [...] > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > debug1: Of

Re: lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 08:36:45AM -0500, Code Zombie wrote: > Hi > > lv2-sorcer cannot be installed on Fedora 31. Seems like the libntk lib > needed by the package is not provided by any packages. The full > installation error is as follows: Looks like non-ntk library failed to build for last

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: >> "John M. Harris Jr" writes: >>> On Friday, December 20, 2019 10:59:52 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: >>> Issuing the command once per week harms no one >>> >>> Based on what's actual in the Change proposal, thi

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:06 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> "John M. Harris Jr" writes: > >>> On Friday, December 20, 2019 10:59:52 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > >>> > Issuing the command once per week ha

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 11:05:43AM -0500, Robbie Harwood wrote: > Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> "John M. Harris Jr" writes: > >>> On Friday, December 20, 2019 10:59:52 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > >>> > Issuing the command once pe

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Chris Murphy writes: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:06 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: >> Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: >>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: "John M. Harris Jr" writes: > On Friday, December 20, 2019 10:59:52 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > >> Issuing the co

Re: lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The dep was provided by non-ntk, which got retired about half a year > ago [1] after FTBFSing since F29 [2]. Isn't it great when the policy designed to remove breakage from the distribution actually CREATES breakage? Retiring packages with no regards to their

Re: lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 19:25 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > The dep was provided by non-ntk, which got retired about half a year > > ago [1] after FTBFSing since F29 [2]. > > Isn't it great when the policy designed to remove > breakage from the distribution actually CR

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Louis Lagendijk
On Fri, 2020-01-03 at 10:21 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:06 AM Robbie Harwood > wrote: > > Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:48 PM Robbie Harwood < > > > rharw...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > > "John M. Harris Jr" writes: > > > > > On Friday, Dece

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 16:30:54 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 03.01.2020 11:14, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > What sort of "huge headache" would that be? > > 1. Most of ffmpeg-capable applications use compile-time checks for > available codecs presence. Which is something you can only

Fedora-Rawhide-20200103.n.0 compose check report

2020-01-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check! All required tests passed Failed openQA tests: 11/155 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20200101.n.0): ID: 506583 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso support_server URL: https://openqa.

Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom == Summary == Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause the kernel oomkiller to trigger sooner, but will not affect which process it chooses to kill off. The idea is to recover from out of memory situations sooner, rat

Fedora 32 Self-Contained Change proposal: Mono 6.6

2020-01-03 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Mono_6_6 == Summary == Update the Mono stack in Fedora from 5.20 to 6.6. We need to do again a bootstrap build. == Owner == * Name: [[User:tpokorra|Timotheus Pokorra]] * Email: tpoko...@fedoraproject.org == Detailed Description == Even between minor release

Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: binutils 2.34

2020-01-03 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BINUTILS234 == Summary == Rebase the binutils package from version 2.33 to version 2.34. == Owner == * Name: Nick Clifton [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Nickc] * Email: ni...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == Switch the binutils package from bein

Re: Second attempt: Maintainer contact check for Chris Grau (cgrau)

2020-01-03 Thread Frank R Dana Jr.
Paul Howarth wrote, > > perl-Time-Piece was obsoleted by the base perl package way back in> 5.10.0. > > perl-Time-Piece-MySQL is an extension to perl-Time-Piece. Thanks for the info, Paul! ...Does that mean it no longer has any usefulness without perl-Time-Piece,and should be similarly orphaned/

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20200103.n.0 changes

2020-01-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20200101.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20200103.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 3 Dropped packages:4 Upgraded packages: 71 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 112.70 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (incl. wine, dosbox, nextcloud, owncloud)

2020-01-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Robbie Harwood writes: > Miro Hrončok writes: > >> The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they >> are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure >> that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: >> https://fedoraproj

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Ben Cotton writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom > > == Summary == > Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause > the kernel oomkiller to trigger sooner, but will not affect which > process it chooses to kill off. The idea is to recover from out

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Robbie Harwood
Robbie Harwood writes: > Ben Cotton writes: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom >> >> == Summary == >> Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause >> the kernel oomkiller to trigger sooner, but will not affect which >> process it chooses to kill off

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, January 3, 2020 1:51:00 PM MST Robbie Harwood wrote: > Robbie Harwood writes: > > Ben Cotton writes: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom > >> > >> == Summary == > >> Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause > >> the kernel oomkiller to

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Enable fstrim.timer by default

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 11:48 AM Louis Lagendijk wrote: > > virt-manager does not enable discards on IDE or virtio disks. I think > it DOES enable discard on SCSI disks. So strictly speaking the above is > true as long as the default emulation layer is not SCSI but it is a > matter of a few clicks

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:35 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > The OOM killer is a kernel function. Yes, this is indicated in the summary. >I have no opinion on this proposal > as it stands, but I would like it to include an explanation of why this > requires a service in userspace to fix. The 2nd fu

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Frantisek Zatloukal
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 10:14 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > Regardless, if this Change is accepted, it should probably be done on a > per- > spin basis. If the GNOME Spin wants this, that's one thing, but I don't > believe this would be a good idea on servers. > Yes, and if you read the change wi

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom > > == Summary == > Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause > the kernel oomkiller to trigger sooner, but will not affect which > process it chooses to kill off. T

koji / bodhi issues status update

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
As some of you may know, we have been having issues with koji and bodhi over the holidays. :( koji would sometimes not tag builds or error them with odd error messages and bodhi wasn't pushing updates. I'm happy to report that the underlying issue seems to be fixed now. We hopefully will have a

Why does gdb dlopen() librpm instead of linking to it?

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
Hello, Can someone please explain why gdb dlopen()'s librpm instead of just doing proper compile-time linking? Best I can tell, our patches to GDB support both modes, and it seems to be unnecessarily painful for us to have to track the soversion like that instead of just letting it pick it up. I

Re: Why does gdb dlopen() librpm instead of linking to it?

2020-01-03 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:45:52 +0100, Neal Gompa wrote: > Can someone please explain why gdb dlopen()'s librpm instead of just > doing proper compile-time linking? Because when it was written (2008) it was common to transfer /usr/bin/gdb binary across OS versions (maybe incl. RHEL) as GDB had only v

Re: Why does gdb dlopen() librpm instead of linking to it?

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 5:25 PM Jan Kratochvil wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:45:52 +0100, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Can someone please explain why gdb dlopen()'s librpm instead of just > > doing proper compile-time linking? > > Because when it was written (2008) it was common to transfer /usr/bin/g

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread drago01
On Friday, January 3, 2020, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom > > > > == Summary == > > Install earlyoom package, and enable it by default. This will cause > > the kernel oomkiller to trigger sooner,

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:51 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Another thought. Wouldn't some of the pain here be alleviated by > setting vm.swappiness=0? My sample size is not scientific. But, in my testing I can't tell any difference for the swap under pressure case we're testing against. The system

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:41 PM drago01 wrote: > > > > On Friday, January 3, 2020, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote: >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableEarlyoom >> > >> > == Summary == >> > Install earlyoom package, and enable it by defau

Re: koji / bodhi issues status update

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > However, due to the koji issues builds were in a state where bodhi > ejected many of them from updates pushes. We are working on cleaning > up the state of those updates and there's no need for maintainers to do > anything with those updates at this time. At least in this case

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, January 3, 2020 3:48:50 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:51 PM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > > > > > > Another thought. Wouldn't some of the pain here be alleviated by > > setting vm.swappiness=0? > > > My sample size is not scientific. But, in my testing I can't te

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: > The idea might be the implementation is not. > Using a percentage to decide "almost out of memory" is going to hurt on > systems with large amounts of memory be it a 32gb desktop or a 2tb server. > You'd have plenty of memory left and it starts killing processes ... And it will le

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Tom Seewald
I think this would be a really big improvement for workstation and other desktop spins, the handling of out of memory situations have been a consistent paint point on Linux. However, may I ask why EarlyOOM was chosen over something like NoHang [1]? I am a bit concerned that EarlyOOM's heuristi

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
John M. Harris Jr wrote: > There is NO scenario in which hard shutdowns should occur, except battery > failure on mobile devices. The state of the system on boot will vary > wildly from what you may expect when it is hard powered off. I would > suggest using SysRq in such events. Unfortunately, Sy

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 3:57 PM John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > There is NO scenario in which hard shutdowns should occur, except battery > failure on mobile devices. The state of the system on boot will vary wildly > from what you may expect when it is hard powered off. I would suggest using > SysRq

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:13 PM Tom Seewald wrote: > > I think this would be a really big improvement for workstation and other > desktop spins, the handling of out of memory situations have been a > consistent paint point on Linux. However, may I ask why EarlyOOM was chosen > over something li

Re: lv2-sorcer is not installable

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Fabio Valentini wrote: > Don't blame Miro for doing the necessary things, just because you don't > like the process. The issue is that I do not agree that this process is necessary to begin with. > We have asked you multiple times to suggest a policy that works for you > too, but you haven't don

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread John M. Harris Jr
On Friday, January 3, 2020 4:25:20 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > in the cases were I could issue syrq+b, responsiveness was so bad > it'd take upwards of 15 minutes just to type out the command In that case, I'd suggest waiting the 15 minutes, and then not bogging down your system that badly the n

Re: koji / bodhi issues status update

2020-01-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 11:55:27PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > However, due to the koji issues builds were in a state where bodhi > > ejected many of them from updates pushes. We are working on cleaning > > up the state of those updates and there's no need for maintainers to

What happened to fedabipkgdiff?

2020-01-03 Thread Richard Shaw
It no longer seems to be a part of libabigail (or available at all)... I found it very useful. Thanks, Richard ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Con

Re: What happened to fedabipkgdiff?

2020-01-03 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:15 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > It no longer seems to be a part of libabigail (or available at all)... > > I found it very useful. > It moved to the libabigail-fedora package in Fedora 31. -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth!

Re: What happened to fedabipkgdiff?

2020-01-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 8:41 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:15 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > > > It no longer seems to be a part of libabigail (or available at all)... > > > > I found it very useful. > > > > It moved to the libabigail-fedora package in Fedora 31. > Thanks, I tried

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (incl. wine, dosbox, nextcloud, owncloud)

2020-01-03 Thread Artem Tim
WINE worries me a lot. Why previous maintainer dropped it? I never have issues with WINE package and it was always up to day. Hope someone will save package. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Andreas Tunek
Den lör 4 jan. 2020 kl 01:53 skrev John M. Harris Jr : > On Friday, January 3, 2020 4:25:20 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > in the cases were I could issue syrq+b, responsiveness was so bad > > it'd take upwards of 15 minutes just to type out the command > > In that case, I'd suggest waiting the 15

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 03.01.2020 20:18, Ben Cotton wrote: > Workstation working group has discussed "better interactivity in > low-memory situations" for some months. In certain use cases, > typically compiling, if all RAM and swap are completely consumed, > system responsiveness becomes so abysmal that a reasonable

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 03.01.2020 22:27, Neal Gompa wrote: > and servers... Admins will be very happy when such user-space killer will kill for example PgSQL database server and cause DB corruption or loss of banking transactions. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) __

Re: peek package

2020-01-03 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 03.01.2020 20:01, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Which is something you can only fix with an RPM Fusion package, > if you "control" (= build) all depending packages. RPM Fusion will need to copy and rebuild all such packages and this is a huge headache for maintainers and currently forbidden by repo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal (late): Enable EarlyOOM

2020-01-03 Thread ego . cordatus
В Суб, 04/01/2020 в 08:27 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel пишет: > I'm strongly against adding of any user-space OOM killers to Fedora > default images. Users should explicitly enable them only when needed. Just my 2 cents: i tested early versions of earlyoom and have weird experience with it: it