Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: Disallow Empty Password By Default

2019-11-27 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 09:53:49AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 9:35 am, Chris Adams wrote: > >That should be considered a bug IMHO... > > At least for rescue mode, probably yes, but I don't know what to do > about it. Can we make systemd's rescue prompt ask for usern

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 4:46 AM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Chris writes: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I just wanted to poll you for some advice. My notification tool I maintain > > supports more than 50+ services now, but the only package isolation I do > > You should really count the number of tex

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-11-27 08:08, Tom Hughes a écrit : On 27/11/2019 01:49, Chris wrote: I kind of like the way nagios-plugins breaks apart it's check_scripts into many sub-packages, but 50+ subpackages seems a bit extreme... or is it? It certainly seems like a bit of a nightmare to maintain; it would be

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-11-27 07:44, Igor Gnatenko a écrit : No, 50 is perfectly fine. As others mentioned, we have much bigger amount of them in texlive. It's not just about the number of subpackages. Each package you publish will end up as a separate node in the dependency graph. Since functional plugins

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Tom Hughes
On 27/11/2019 09:30, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: The clean way to do it is to put the list of things to generate against in a spec variable, and write the generator logic in a (lua) rpm macro. That keeps the generation inside the spec instead of moving some package creation steps outside

Fedora-Cloud-31-20191127.0 compose check report

2019-11-27 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 1/1 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorap

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-11-27 10:37, Tom Hughes a écrit : On 27/11/2019 09:30, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: The clean way to do it is to put the list of things to generate against in a spec variable, and write the generator logic in a (lua) rpm macro. That keeps the generation inside the spec instead of m

[Test-Announce] Fedora 29 EOL

2019-11-27 Thread Mohan Boddu
Hello all, As of the 26th of November 2019, Fedora 29 has reached its end of life for updates and support. No further updates, including security updates, will be available for Fedora 29. Fedora 30 will continue to receive updates until approximately one month after the release of Fedora 32. The m

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Matej Grabovsky
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 10:20 AM Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > > I think that from the user perspective that's the best example of what > to avoid when packaging in Fedora. Can you please explain what you mean? What are the alternatives if there really are over 5000 packages in CTAN? Arch Lin

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Ian McInerney
Tex isn't really the best example for the insane package numbers (since the main Tex system, CTAN, actually does define them as separate packages). It would be interesting to know if anyone actually does just install one or two rather than all... I know that I usually just install all of them on ne

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-11-27 11:45, Ian McInerney a écrit : Tex isn't really the best example for the insane package numbers (since the main Tex system, CTAN, actually does define them as separate packages). It would be interesting to know if anyone actually does just install one or two rather than all... I kno

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 10:45:00 +, Ian McInerney wrote: > Tex isn't really the best example for the insane package numbers (since the > main Tex system, CTAN, actually does define them as separate packages). It > would be interesting to know if anyone actually does just install one or two > rathe

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Jindrich Novy
Your reply completely lacks any point. Why is TeX Live the best example of what to avoid when packaging in Fedora? Having 50+ subpackages is perfectly justified once there is a reason why. For TeX Live it is that upstream (CTAN) actually maintains package dependencies and they do add and remove pa

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Martin Kolman
On Wed, 2019-11-27 at 07:44 +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > No, 50 is perfectly fine. As others mentioned, we have much bigger amount of > them in texlive. Yeah, I also don't really see a problem in making packages more granular. There are many usecaseswhere you want that, such as installation imag

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 11:25:25AM +, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 10:45:00 +, Ian McInerney wrote: > > Tex isn't really the best example for the insane package numbers (since the > > main Tex system, CTAN, actually does define them as separate packages). It > > would be intere

Planned Outage - Taskotron and ResultsDB - 2019-11-26 19:00 UTC

2019-11-27 Thread Tim Flink
Apologies for the last minute nature of this outage, the details behind the upgrade were under debate and we didn't want to announce a time until we were sure about what was going to happen when. Seeing as the machines are running F29, they need to be upgraded as it's going EOL today. Tim --

Re: Planned Outage - Taskotron and ResultsDB - 2019-11-26 19:00 UTC

2019-11-27 Thread Tim Flink
I hit a hiccup during the upgrade but everything should be back to normal and upgraded. If you notice anything not working correctly, please let us know in #fedora-admin or #fedora-qa. Thanks, Tim On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:58:36 -0700 Tim Flink wrote: > Apologies for the last minute nature of th

debuginfod non-standard-uid and cache permissions

2019-11-27 Thread Mark Wielaard
Hi fedora devel list, The new elfutils upstream comes with a debuginfod server which we want packaged (as a sub-package) for fedora. Testing looks good and everything seems to work, but rpmlint flags a couple of issues that I don't think should be real issues. Could someone help me understand why

Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Pablo Greco
I'm starting to work on a project to make Fedora fully reproducible and bootstrappable from scratch. I know it is a long term plan and still working on the steps, but it would be good to know the current status, if there is an internal interest in this, if someone is already working (or planning

Package review bug against Rawhide was just closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1774713#c13 -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring featu

bugs for non-EOL releases are being closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 27 November 2019 at 15:22, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1774713#c13 Not only reviews: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1777310 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1763148 Ben, stop the script and fix it, please. Regards,

Re: Package review bug against Rawhide was just closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Ben Cotton
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:23 AM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1774713#c13 > Whoops! Looks like part of my filter didn't apply. Thankfully, only 150 bugs were updated. Thanks for catching that quickly. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 08:49:31PM -0500, Chris wrote: > Hi guys, > > I just wanted to poll you for some advice. My notification tool I maintain > supports more than 50+ services now, but the only package isolation I do > within 2 RPMs. One for the actual CLI (for admin's who want to use it) and

Re: Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:17 AM Pablo Greco wrote: > > I'm starting to work on a project to make Fedora fully reproducible and > bootstrappable from scratch. > I know it is a long term plan and still working on the steps, but it would be > good to know the current status, if there is an internal

Re: bugs for non-EOL releases are being closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 3:27 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > On Wednesday, 27 November 2019 at 15:22, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1774713#c13 > > Not only reviews: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1777310 > https://bugzilla.re

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 02:33:15PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I also maintain projects with a large (though not this large) number > of subpackages, eg: nbdkit has 25+: > > https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1417304 [...] > libvirt and qemu have a very large number too

Re: bugs for non-EOL releases are being closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Ben Cotton
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 9:26 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Ben, stop the script and fix it, please. > I stopped it as soon as I saw Richard's email. I'm going through the ~150 bugs that were closed and reopening them as appropriate. Please be patient, as it will take a little bit to

Re: debuginfod non-standard-uid and cache permissions

2019-11-27 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - > These are all done deliberately through the following constructs in the spec > file: > > In %pre to create the debuginfod user: > >getent group debuginfod >/dev/null || groupadd -r debuginfod >getent passwd debuginfod >/dev/null || \ >useradd -r -g debuginfod -d /var/cach

python3 entry_points console scripts packaging question

2019-11-27 Thread Dominique Martinet
Hi, Some context first, skip to the end if you want. We have a few python packages at $work with setuptools entry_points console scripts - basically setuptools creates a small python script for you loading a module and calling the function you specified. For example, clustershell here defines f

Re: python3 entry_points console scripts packaging question

2019-11-27 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 27. 11. 19 16:20, Dominique Martinet wrote: Hi, Some context first, skip to the end if you want. We have a few python packages at $work with setuptools entry_points console scripts - basically setuptools creates a small python script for you loading a module and calling the function you spe

Re: Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 09:34:23AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > As far as bootstrapping from scratch, I believe Richard W. M. Jones > and David Abdurachmanov went through this process for Fedora RISC-V. > They may have more to say about how that was done... It depends exactly how far "from scratch"

Re: python3 entry_points console scripts packaging question

2019-11-27 Thread Dominique Martinet
Miro Hrončok wrote on Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 04:32:27PM +0100: > If I understand this properly, your package requires (in Fedora): > > - /usr/bin/python3 > - python3.8dist(setuptools) Yes, on Fedora 31 the current requires for clustershell (to continue with that example) contain these: $ rpm -q -

Re: bugs for non-EOL releases are being closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Ben Cotton
Update: all of the accidentally closed bugs should now be unclosed. I know what went wrong (spoiler alert: human error) and even better, I know how to help guard against this in the future. I am going to implement that and then re-run the script with the correct input. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / Hi

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Matej Grabovsky said: > Can you please explain what you mean? What are the alternatives if > there really are over 5000 packages in CTAN? Why does all of CTAN need to go into one source RPM? -- Chris Adams ___ devel mailing list -- d

PSA: please stop manually titling Bodhi updates

2019-11-27 Thread Adam Williamson
Hey folks! Since the new Bodhi UI rolled out recently I've noticed a big uptick in updates where the update creator manually set the update title. This is a problem because in every single case so far, the manually- created title is worse than an auto-generated title would have been. If you just

[Test-Announce] Fedora 32 Rawhide 20191127.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2019-11-27 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 32 Rawhide 20191127.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:17 AM Pablo Greco wrote: > > I'm starting to work on a project to make Fedora fully reproducible and > bootstrappable from scratch. > I know it is a long term plan and still working on the steps, but it would be > good to know the current status, if there is an internal

Re: Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 2:12 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 7:17 AM Pablo Greco wrote: > > > > I'm starting to work on a project to make Fedora fully reproducible and > > bootstrappable from scratch. > > I know it is a long term plan and still working on the steps, but it wou

Re: bugs for non-EOL releases are being closed as EOL by a script

2019-11-27 Thread Ben Cotton
The bugzilla EOL script is running with correct input now. I just published a Community Blog post[1] that describes what happened and how I'll prevent it from happening again. Thank you to everyone who let me know about the error quickly. I apologize for the confusion and extra work this created.

Fedora-Rawhide-20191127.n.0 compose check report

2019-11-27 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 26 of 43 required tests failed, 17 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Failed openQA tests: 99/161 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fed

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20191127.n.0 changes

2019-11-27 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20191126.n.1 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20191127.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 8 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 89 Downgraded packages: 122 Size of added packages: 770.65 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Reproducible builds/bootstrap

2019-11-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:18 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 2:12 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > The order of work needed: > > A. Upstream squashfs needs zstd support merged. There's patches > > Fedora's squashfs-tools are carrying that add this support. But it's > > probably fair t

Re: python3 entry_points console scripts packaging question

2019-11-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 05:11:37PM +0100, Dominique Martinet wrote: > Miro Hrončok wrote on Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 04:32:27PM +0100: ...snip... > > And in Fedora, when you ahve both of those, it also means that > > /usr/bin/python3 is Python 3.8. > > Ok, I thought it was just much less likely but it

F30+F31: systemupgrades added unfullfillable module dependencies

2019-11-27 Thread Marius Schwarz
Hi, I just found this on Bugzilla and i think it needs immediate intervention: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1767422 release upgrades involved: F29->F30 & F30->F31 - removing the mentioned packages do not fix the problem - they complain about issues in the next release Conclusion

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Chris
Thank you all for replying with so much information! I just had a few comments: + I'm officially afraid of the texlive spec file. + Sérgio: In regards to why sub-packages: * Purely for modularity and isolation. Users who just use Apprise for... say Discord and Email, don't need the other 49 pa

Re: Is 50+ RPM Subpackages too extreme?

2019-11-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/27/19 6:49 PM, Chris wrote: + Sérgio: In regards to why sub-packages:    * Purely for modularity and isolation.  Users who just use Apprise for... say Discord and Email, don't need the other 49 packages.  But someone hosting a notification web service might want all of them except the o

Fedora-Cloud-30-20191128.0 compose check report

2019-11-27 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Passed openQA tests: 1/1 (x86_64) -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/check-compose ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorap