Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 12 avril 2019 à 01:21 -0500, Ty Young a écrit : > > Fair enough.Given that only Java 8 and newer is available via > Fedora's > repos and things have calmed down a bit, is the complexity still > worth it though? You still have OpenJ9 vs OpenJDK, LTS vs non LTS, completely free softwar

Re: Fork a 119MB pagure project to updating monitoring?

2019-04-12 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 08:41:56PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 11:04:11AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > > Basically, there would now be a button on the sidebar which would show the > > current monitoring status and would allow project admins and pagure wide > > admins

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Dridi Boukelmoune
> Was this the privileged operation? What privilege does it require? I > just run the command as a non-admin user and saw no errors or prompts > for passwords or anything. Are you part of the wheel group and is wheel configured to be password-less in sudo? Dridi

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 11.04.19 17:08, Przemek Klosowski (przemek.klosow...@nist.gov) wrote: > > The logic in systemd is more strict on putting boundaries on resource > > usage, and thus will by default not allow you to consume resources > > while you are not logged in. It's really how this always should have > >

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Do, 11.04.19 20:49, Steve Grubb (sgr...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > I run a bunch of background jobs like harvesting podcasts that are > > > released weekly, collecting weather stats for my garden watering > > > system, monitoring my power feed and UPS, collecting ADSB  data, > > > etc. I don't th

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Thursday, 11 April 2019 at 18:09, Paul Frields wrote: > On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 12:07 PM Lennart Poettering > wrote: [...] > [...] > > 3. atd? Do we still need that? Do we have postinst scripts that need > >this? If so, wouldn't systemd-run be a better approach for those? > >Isn't it ti

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fr, 12.04.19 11:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski (domi...@greysector.net) wrote: > > Interestingly I think Google Chrome needs this when it installs, > > though it seems nonsensical to me. (Chrome is installed by about 50% > > of our users given some informal stats, so writing it off would b

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Florian Weimer
* Lennart Poettering: > Just out of curiosity, why does a web browser need a daily chrome job? It uses this to persist itself, so that it is more difficult to remove the Google repository. I guess we can be lucky that it doesn't does this via /etc/ld.so.preload or a kernel module. Thanks, Flori

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Jos Vos
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 01:12:51PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why does a web browser need a daily chrome job? From the script's comment: # It creates the repository configuration file for package updates, since # we cannot do this during the google-chrome installat

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 12 avril 2019 à 13:12 +0200, Lennart Poettering a écrit : > On Fr, 12.04.19 11:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski ( > domi...@greysector.net) wrote: > > > > Interestingly I think Google Chrome needs this when it installs, > > > though it seems nonsensical to me. (Chrome is installed by

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski said: > Chrome doesn't require atd explicitly (nor is it pulled in by any of its > dependencies). That's incorrect. The Google Chrome RPM requires /usr/bin/lsb_release, which is from redhat-lsb-core, and that requires /usr/bin/at. -- Chris Adams

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 12 April 2019 at 14:47, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > said: > > Chrome doesn't require atd explicitly (nor is it pulled in by any of its > > dependencies). > > That's incorrect. The Google Chrome RPM requires /usr/bin/lsb_release, > which is

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 12.04.19 11:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > (domi...@greysector.net) wrote: > > > > Interestingly I think Google Chrome needs this when it installs, > > > though it seems nonsensical to me. (Chrome is installed by about 5

Java packages FTBFS/FTI on 32-bit arches

2019-04-12 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:20 PM Mat Booth wrote: > Eclipse in Fedora has dropped support for 32 bit architectures. The newest > builds of Eclipse 4.11 for F30 and newer reflect this and are built for 64 > bit architectures only. > > By now I have touched most Eclipse plug-in packages to limit th

Fedora 30 compose report: 20190412.n.0 changes

2019-04-12 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-30-20190411.n.0 NEW: Fedora-30-20190412.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:6 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 0 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 0 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 B Size of dropped packages:0 B Size of upgraded

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ty Young wrote: > Which it does but no alternatives show up even when downloading from > Fedora's repos. Is there no post installation scripts that properly > registers everything? If not, then how are there symbolic links in > /etc/alternatives? What are they even for? There are such post-install

Fedora 30-20190412.n.0 compose check report

2019-04-12 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Atomichost raw-xz x86_64 Atomichost qcow2 x86_64 Failed openQA tests: 12/144 (x86_64), 3/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm) ID: 381889 Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso install_default_upload URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/381889 ID: 381890 Test: x86_64 Workstat

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Akarshan Biswas
Mlocate too. I am not sure why is this package required but It tremendously slows down all of my PC(using magnetic disk hard drive). The first thing I do after installing Fedora Worstation is to remove it. Regards, Akarshan Biswas ___ devel mailing l

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to > install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. Bigger picture, as

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 12 avril 2019 à 13:16 -0400, Colin Walters a écrit : > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out > > of > > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able > > to > > in

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-04-12 at 16:29 +, Akarshan Biswas wrote: > Mlocate too. I am not sure why is this package required but It > tremendously slows down all of my PC(using magnetic disk hard drive). > The first thing I do after installing Fedora Worstation is to remove > it. It only does that *one tim

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 1:17 PM Colin Walters wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of > > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to > > install, compile from sou

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-12 Thread Brandon Nielsen
Desktop, UEFI, Z87 chipset, Intel Xeon E3-1230 v3, AMD R9 280X GPU - Fails, does not show the specified error instead journalctl shows: gnome-shell[1820]: Failed to create backend: No GPUs found with udev Which is likely caused by (from dmesg): [ 11.994228] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kerne

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Adopt new Go Packaging Guidelines

2019-04-12 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Adopt_new_Go_Packaging_Guidelines == Summary == The [[PackagingDrafts/Go| current Go packaging guidelines]] have been in a draft state for several years now, and they do not reflect the [[ More_Go_packaging|current practices ]] from the Go SIG. As a result o

Golang review swaps

2019-04-12 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
Hello folks, In order to update a few Golang packages, new dependencies needing to be packaged have appeared. Please, if you have time to help, take a look at these. They are standard Go packages and all have been tested in Koji or COPR. golang-github-getsentry-raven-go → need github.com/certif

Re: Basic graphics mode / 'nomodeset' testing request, round 2

2019-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-04-12 at 14:32 -0500, Brandon Nielsen wrote: > Desktop, UEFI, Z87 chipset, Intel Xeon E3-1230 v3, AMD R9 280X GPU - > Fails, does not show the specified error instead journalctl shows: > > gnome-shell[1820]: Failed to create backend: No GPUs found with udev This is actually expected

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Ty Young
On 4/12/19 12:16 PM, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: Hi, I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to install, compile from source and easily switch between

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Ty Young
On 4/12/19 10:40 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ty Young wrote: Which it does but no alternatives show up even when downloading from Fedora's repos. Is there no post installation scripts that properly registers everything? If not, then how are there symbolic links in /etc/alternatives? What are they e

[Test-Announce] 2019-04-15 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 30 Blocker Review Meeting

2019-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
# F30 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2019-04-15 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Hi folks! We have 5 proposed Final blockers and 2 proposed Final freeze exceptions to review, so let's have a Fedora 30 blocker review meeting on Monday! If you have time this

[Test-Announce] Proposal to CANCEL: 2019-04-15 Fedora QA Meeting

2019-04-12 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi folks! I'm proposing we cancel the QA meeting on Monday. I think we covered everything already, but if you're aware of anything important we have to discuss this week, please do reply to this mail and we can go ahead and run the meeting. Note there *will* be a blocker review meeting, and of cour

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:24:46 -0500, you wrote: >According to pkgs.org Fedora Rawhide doesn't even have a 32-bit JRE/JDK >so i'm not sure why the designation is required. 32-bit has been on the >way out for awhile now. If someone wants to make a 32-bit version they >don't need to follow a distro

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:08:21 -0500, you wrote: >>Secondly, isn't this what modules are meant for? I'm not sure if there is >one for JDK on Fedora. > >Java 9 modules you mean? No, Fedora Modules, an alternative to rpms I think. ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ty Young wrote: > According to pkgs.org Fedora Rawhide doesn't even have a 32-bit JRE/JDK > so i'm not sure why the designation is required. 32-bit has been on the > way out for awhile now. If someone wants to make a 32-bit version they > don't need to follow a distros naming convention. While som