Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Tom Hughes
On 19/12/17 01:11, Thomas Daede wrote: On 12/18/2017 03:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Does anyone read this as Mozilla admitting that they messed up? This was published today: https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/update-looking-glass-add/ It's certainly an improvement on their previous efforts t

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Miller wrote: > Is there a fundamental difference between this and, if, say, similar > functionality were in the FF 57 release itself? If Firefox itself contained such adware, that would make the entire browser unusable. Kevin Kofler __

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > It was brought up elsewhere that Chrome/Chromium in the past has done > something worse in scope, silently downloading an add-on to that turns > on & listens to your microphone. Ostensibly to detect the "ok google" > keyword, but since its a closed source add-on can you

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, not quite. I installed Firefox rather a long time ago on this > system. Again I can't prove it, but at that time I believe this > question and preference referred *only* to 'data collection'. However, > since then, a new sub-preference seems to have appeared, labelled

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 01:19:26PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 18 December 2017 at 13:08, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 09:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of > >> the supplier of our def

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Adams wrote: > I thought that this was actually a violation of the packaging policies, > but I can't seem to find it now; I only see the restriction on software > the requires downloads to be useful. I think simply requiring Mozilla > to change their policies is unacceptable, as this still d

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > Conversely though in a Flatpak world though, we would be moving much > closer the model of Windows/OS-X/Android where Mozilla has a more direct > way to push software to users, without a OS vendor arbitrarily rebuilding > & repackaging stuff. And that is one big reason

Fedora Rawhide-20171219.n.0 compose check report

2017-12-19 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Server boot x86_64 Server dvd i386 Workstation live i386 Server dvd x86_64 Server boot i386 Kde live i386 Failed openQA tests: 50/104 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20171218.n.0): ID: 181259 Test: x86_64 universal install_blivet

libnm-glib endgame

2017-12-19 Thread Lubomir Rintel
Hello Everyone, with NetworkManager-1.0 release exactly three years ago, libnm-glib library got deprecated in favor of a newer library, libnm. Throughout those years libnm-glib received very little love, fell behind the feature parity with libnm and was left with bugs unfixed. While the old libra

Re: libnm-glib endgame

2017-12-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Lubomir Rintel wrote: > > * switchboard-plug-networking & wingpanel-indicator-network > Upstream went unresponsive, pull requests stalled. [2] [3] > Upstream has already merged the pull request for wingpanel-indicator-network, and there are comments from upstrea

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread John Florian
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:16 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, not quite. I installed Firefox rather a long time ago on this > system. Again I can't prove it, but at that time I believe this > question and preference referred *only* to 'data collection'. However, > since then, a new sub-preferen

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 09:47 -0500, John Florian wrote: > On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 11:16 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Well, not quite. I installed Firefox rather a long time ago on this > > system. Again I can't prove it, but at that time I believe this > > question and preference referred *only*

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > None the less, if we consider Fedora maintainers to be adding value via the > packaging process, over having users get their browser direct from Mozilla, > then I do still think it is desirable to be able to opt-out of this feature >

HEADS-UP: pkgconf-1.3.90 landing in rawhide

2017-12-19 Thread Neal Gompa
Hey all, Igor is building pkgconf-1.3.90 for Rawhide now, which is the beta for the upcoming pkgconf-1.4.0. This is a significant feature update with some behavior changes, including improved behavior for natively running on Windows as well as cross-targeting to Windows with our MinGW toolchain.

Re: HEADS-UP: pkgconf-1.3.90 landing in rawhide

2017-12-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > pkgconf will also now include a pc(7) man page that fully describes > the pkgconfig .pc file format and how it is processed by pkgconf. Correction, this is pc(5), not pc(7). Oops. pkg.m4 is in section 7, though. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, t

Modularity is Dead, Long Live Modularity!

2017-12-19 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Modularity is Dead, Long Live Modularity! = See this post in glorious technicolor at:https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-dead-long-live-modularity/ Summary - --- Fedora’s Modularity initi

Re: Fedora Rawhide-20171218.n.0 compose check report

2017-12-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2017-12-18 at 13:43 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > > New soft failures (same test did not soft fail in Rawhide-20171217.n.0): All of these are due to a bunch of new SELinux denials showing up for journalctl: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527684 > Installed system

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-19 Thread Greg Evenden
> Chris Adams wrote: > > This is the very least that Fedora ought to do, and it has to be done > immediately! > > In addition, for future Fedora releases, the default browser ought to be > changed to one with a more trustworthy upstream, e.g.: > * QupZilla (soon to be Falkon) [https://www.qupzi