Re: Un-retiring QCad

2016-12-09 Thread Antonio Trande
On 12/06/2016 02:25 PM, Antonio Trande wrote: > Hi all. > > This is an un-retiring request for QCad on Fedora > (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/qcad/). Now upstream > provides an open-source community edition version of QCad including > files with following licenses: > > ## Ma

Re: No Boost update in F25

2016-12-09 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 08/12/16 11:50 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 06/12/16 01:41 -, Joseph Stockman wrote: Well, it continues to mean the busted version of boost::asio for those who want to utilize any of the C++11 features (futures, etc). We've been forced to drop all Fedora support for our products unt

Re: FESCo and Council elections - December 2016/January 2017

2016-12-09 Thread Jan Kurik
Hi, I would like to remind people about the Nomination period we have open for FESCo and Council elections. Anyone who is interested in a seat in FESCo and/or Council, please apply [1][2]. Let me also share some news about the upcoming FAmSCo elections: The current FAmSCo has asked for new electi

Re: No Boost update in F25

2016-12-09 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 09/12/16 09:47 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 08/12/16 11:50 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 06/12/16 01:41 -, Joseph Stockman wrote: Well, it continues to mean the busted version of boost::asio for those who want to utilize any of the C++11 features (futures, etc). We've been forced

Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Florian Weimer
We would like to enable hardware-assisted lock optimizations in glibc on multiple architectures. In general, this feature works only on production hardware with current firmware, and not on pre-production machines some vendors provide for architecture bringup. Are the Fedora builders using ha

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:45:55 +0100, Christian Dersch wrote: > On 12/08/2016 07:26 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > I would like to see us stop pushing non security updates to updates from > > updates-testing entirely and do it in monthly batches instead. we would > > push > > daily security fixes

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 21:05:31 +0100, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Michael Cronenworth [08/12/2016 14:01] : > > > > Where did this concept originate from? > > This is a very old proposal that Spot made at the very first Flock > way back in 2013. The idea of monthly batches is much older. __

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > We would like to enable hardware-assisted lock optimizations in glibc on > multiple architectures. In general, this feature works only on production > hardware with current firmware, and not on pre-production machines some > vendors provide

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Florian Weimer
On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: We would like to enable hardware-assisted lock optimizations in glibc on multiple architectures. In general, this feature works only on production hardware with current firmware, and not on pre-prod

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> >>> We would like to enable hardware-assisted lock optimizations in glibc on >>> multiple architectures. In general, this feature work

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 06:07:02 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > However, I also do not see why we cannot just do such big updates through > the regular update process rather than in a big .1 drop. The KDE SIG has > experience with pushing big grouped updates that look a lot like a .1 > release for Pl

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 08:04:14PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 8 December 2016 at 20:00, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > >> On 8 December 2016 at 19:30, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Matthew M

Re: No Boost update in F25

2016-12-09 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 09/12/16 10:28 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 09/12/16 09:47 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 08/12/16 11:50 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 06/12/16 01:41 -, Joseph Stockman wrote: Well, it continues to mean the busted version of boost::asio for those who want to utilize any of the

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 07:41, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> We can't predict the future. But if Fedora builders use commercially >> supported hardware (and not pre-production samples from one of Red Hat's

Fedora Rawhide-20161209.n.0 compose check report

2016-12-09 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Kde live x86_64 Kde live i386 Failed openQA tests: 11/90 (x86_64), 5/16 (i386), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20161208.n.0): ID: 50861 Test: x86_64 Workstation-boot-iso install_default URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/50861 I

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 12:13:59PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Frankly, this all seems like a lot of churn and mess and process change > for no very obvious benefit. I'm a hell of a lot more interested in > looking at smaller and more frequent 'release' events than larger less > frequent ones.

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 09:26 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on the Project > Atomic side, > I personally point users at CentOS first, unless I have some reason to think > they want Fedora. > Something like 80% of Fedora usage hitting the

a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on > > the Project Atomic side, I personally point users at CentOS first, > > unless I have some reason to think they want Fedora. Something like > > 80% of Fedora usage

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Friday, 09 December 2016 at 13:41, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > > On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: [...] > >>> What about default Fedora installations? Do they come with early bo

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Friday, 09 December 2016 at 13:41, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> > On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > [

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 07:58, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: >> >> No that is a separate data set. > > The title of the graph might need a little adjustment :) Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse stacked graph https://smooge.fedorapeople.org/fedora-all-stacked-ma.png https://smooge

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 01:18:31PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:45:55 +0100, Christian Dersch wrote: > > > On 12/08/2016 07:26 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > I would like to see us stop pushing non security updates to updates from > > > updates-testing entirely and do i

corsepiu pushed to perl-HTML-Format (master). "Update to HTML-Formatter-2.16. (..more)"

2016-12-09 Thread notifications
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Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 11:07, Colin Walters wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 09:26 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > >> Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on the Project >> Atomic side, >> I personally point users at CentOS first, unless I have some reason to think >> they wan

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 01:18:31PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 19:45:55 +0100, Christian Dersch wrote: >> >> > On 12/08/2016 07:26 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> > > I would like to see us stop pushing non

Re: a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 11:17 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on > > > the Project Atomic side, I personally point users at CentOS > > > first, > > > unless I have some re

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 13:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > The apparently random flow of poorly tested "rushed out" updates I've had automatic updates, of all kinds, turned on on all of my servers for at least the last four releases, and can think of maybe one time one of them broke? This seem

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 11:03 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > So, *did* you feel that the F25 cycle felt compressed? If we're close > enough to the theoretical-world above that we feel like we can do, say, > four month cycles to stay on track without experiencing (particular) > pain, maybe that's okay

Re: a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 11:42, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 11:17 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: >> > > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on >> > > the Project Atomic side, I persona

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Miller
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2016-12-09) === Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html . Meeting summa

Re: Fedora Rawhide-20161209.n.0 compose check report

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 15:43 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > Missing expected images: > > Kde live x86_64 > Kde live i386 > > Failed openQA tests: 11/90 (x86_64), 5/16 (i386), 1/2 (arm) > > New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20161208.n.0): > > ID: 50861 Test: x86_64 Works

Re: a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Dec 9, 2016 5:18 PM, "Matthew Miller" wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: > > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on > > the Project Atomic side, I personally point users at CentOS first, > > unless I have some reason to think they wa

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Adam Miller said: > Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are > available at > https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html So, this is a minor request... I read email in mutt, a terminal-based mail client.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Adam Miller said: >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are >> available at >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12-09-16.00.log.html > > So, this is a minor req

Re: a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > On Dec 9, 2016 5:18 PM, "Matthew Miller" wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:07:32AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: >> > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on >> > the Project Atomic side, I personally point users a

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 08:44:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 13:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > The apparently random flow of poorly tested "rushed out" updates > > Nah, not needed at all. Basically, one can update a desktop workstation to death, if applying update

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 18:37 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 08:44:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 13:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > The apparently random flow of poorly tested "rushed out" updates > > > > > > Nah, not needed at all. B

Re: a diversion into EPEL [was Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like]

2016-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/09/2016 11:17 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: For other software, where users would like the version to match more closely the long lifecycle, maybe there could be a hand-off from Fedora version to CentOS version. Yeah, hand-offs would be a great feature for the users. Right now, it's tricky to

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2016-12-08 at 09:17 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Trying to make this idea a little more concrete. Here's two > suggestions > for how it might work. These are strawman ideas -- please provide > alternates, poke holes, etc. And particularly from a QA and rel-eng > point of view. Both of the

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 12:35, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> Once upon a time, Adam Miller said: >>> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are >>> available at >>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2016 01:51 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 06:07:02 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: If as a maintainer you don't release version upgrades quickly, some users complain everywhere they are permitted to post. Except for bugzilla. And if you make available upgrades quickly, the

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 09:40:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > This is just a bunch of entirely unsupported assertions, and thus not > worth the time to respond to. Same applies to your usage scenario. Personal experience is just that: personal experience. > But I'll just note that it is not possi

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 19:48 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 09:40:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > This is just a bunch of entirely unsupported assertions, and thus not > > worth the time to respond to. > > Same applies to your usage scenario. Personal experience is jus

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:51 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > And there it is again, the rush to get out updates. Quickly! Quickly! > What has been released before is not bug-free, and the update are not > bug-free either, and even if no user has reported a bug, the flow of > updates will ensure that

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Adam Miller said: > >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are > >> available at > >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-12-09/fesco.2016-12

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Yes, but the burden of proof always lies with those who want to change > stuff. I've got the easy job here: I just get to say 'look, if you want > to change everything, provide some concrete evidence: > > a) that there's a problem > b) tha

Re: Un-retiring QCad

2016-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/06/2016 08:25 AM, Antonio Trande wrote: This is an un-retiring request for QCad on Fedora (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/rpms/qcad/). Now upstream provides an open-source community edition version of QCad Could you comment on the current relationship of QCad to its fork Lib

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 19:41:28 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > And? What*s the problem? It's part of a packagers job to balance the > tradeoffs and find a viable compromise. You don't need to agree. In the reply you've truncated, I've only pointed out how I feel about the updates flood. It's my numb

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 08:50:06AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > So, *did* you feel that the F25 cycle felt compressed? If we're close > > enough to the theoretical-world above that we feel like we can do, say, > > four month cycles to stay on track without experiencing (particular) > > pain, m

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 20:46 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 19:41:28 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > And? What*s the problem? It's part of a packagers job to balance the > > tradeoffs and find a viable compromise. > > You don't need to agree. In the reply you've truncated,

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > problem. The fact that updates default to auto-push after +3 karma is > entirely plucked out of the air, it's just something someone made up > one day. We could *certainly* change that. I'd be quite interested in a > tweak where the

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 15:05 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > problem. The fact that updates default to auto-push after +3 karma is > > entirely plucked out of the air, it's just something someone made up > > one day. We could *certa

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread langdon
On 12/09/2016 02:52 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 08:50:06AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So, *did* you feel that the F25 cycle felt compressed? If we're close enough to the theoretical-world above that we feel like we can do, say, four month cycles to stay on track without

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 15:05 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > problem. The fact that updates default to auto-push after +3 karma is >> > entirely plucked out of the air, it'

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 13:21 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 15:05 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > problem. The fact that updates default to au

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 03:19:58PM -0500, langdon wrote: > >Langdon is sitting right next to me right now and I'm going to tag him > >in for more on Modularity. [...] > them. We can also decide when a "release" makes sense based on > marketing or other considerations and just "pull the trigger" on

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 11:00:45 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Same applies to your usage scenario. Personal experience is just that: > > personal experience. > > Yes, but the burden of proof always lies with those who want to change > stuff. I've got the easy job here: I just get to say 'look,

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 12:25 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Software will check for new updates at most every 48 hours, so if > there > happen to *be* new updates every 48 hours and your system is running > the whole time, yeah, you can get 3-and-a-bit update notifications > per > week. Not *quite

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 21:29 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Of course, the developers of bodhi would need to be convinced of such a > feature, too, and it could be that there is no big kahuna to do exactly > that. Oh well. Well, no, you could just send a patch. Bodhi is a rather nice codebase and

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 14:31 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 12:25 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Software will check for new updates at most every 48 hours, so if > > there > > happen to *be* new updates every 48 hours and your system is running > > the whole time, yeah,

Re: GSequencer upstream wants to package for fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi all Just modified the gsequencer.spec file. Now, it should be more the fedora way. https://sourceforge.net/projects/ags/files/fedora/ Additionally, I uploaded the srpm and rpm packages built. * gsequencer * gsequencer-devel * gsequencer-devel-docs * gsequencer-debuginfo Bests, Joël On Thu

Re: GSequencer upstream wants to package for fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 21:57:07 +0100, Joël Krähemann wrote: > Hi all > > Just modified the gsequencer.spec file. Now, it should be more the fedora way. > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/ags/files/fedora/ > > Additionally, I uploaded the srpm and rpm packages built. > > * gsequencer > * gsequen

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Scott Schmit
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:29:29AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse stacked graph > > https://smooge.fedorapeople.org/fedora-all-stacked-ma.png What happened in late 2014? smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On 10 Dec 2016 08:06, "Scott Schmit" wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:29:29AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse stacked graph > > https://smooge.fedorapeople.org/fedora-all-stacked-ma.png What happened in late 2014? Fedora 21 which was

Re: GSequencer upstream wants to package for fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi Michael I'm not sure of what packaging mistakes you are talking. I just updated the spec file and removed the requires field. But yes, I'd like to give it for review now. Bests, Joël On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 21:57:07 +0100, Joël Kräheman

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 9 December 2016 at 16:06, Scott Schmit wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:29:29AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse stacked graph >> >> https://smooge.fedorapeople.org/fedora-all-stacked-ma.png > > What happened in late 2014? We droppe

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 01:19:13PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > Once upon a time, Adam Miller said: > > >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are > > >> available at > > >>

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 9 December 2016 at 07:41, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> On 12/09/2016 01:22 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > >>> We can't predict the future. But if Fedora builders use commercially >>> supp

Re: Status of microcode updates

2016-12-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > We would like to enable hardware-assisted lock optimizations in glibc on > multiple architectures. In general, this feature works only on production > hardware with current firmware, and not on pre-production machines some > vendors provide

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Peter Robinson
>>> > problem. The fact that updates default to auto-push after +3 karma is >>> > entirely plucked out of the air, it's just something someone made up >>> > one day. We could *certainly* change that. I'd be quite interested in a >>> > tweak where there's a minimum-time-in-testing value for autopush

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 04:21:27PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > >> Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse stacked graph > >> https://smooge.fedorapeople.org/fedora-all-stacked-ma.png > > What happened in late 2014? > We dropped SSLv2 and SSLv3 and some TLS algorithms. This dr

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 10:22:44PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > repo data). The full list makes up most of the 40Mb downloaded. The > dnf developers seem to think that everyone has lots of data/bandwidth > and don't see the problem with it. Isn't the problem that the SAT solver used by DNF for d

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread drago01
On Friday, December 9, 2016, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 03:19:58PM -0500, langdon wrote: > > >Langdon is sitting right next to me right now and I'm going to tag him > > >in for more on Modularity. > [...] > > them. We can also decide when a "release" makes sense based on > >

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-12-09)

2016-12-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 9 Dec 2016 13:19:13 -0600 Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Josh Boyer said: > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Chris Adams > > wrote: > > > Once upon a time, Adam Miller > > > said: > > >> Meeting started by maxamillion at 16:00:37 UTC. The full logs are > > >> available at

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:40:49 -0500 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 12/08/2016 11:10 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > It's my plan to explore different ideas to continue to make Fedora > > more successful as measured by user and contributor growth, > > contributor return on effort, and fulfillment of ou

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread langdon
On 12/09/2016 03:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 03:19:58PM -0500, langdon wrote: Langdon is sitting right next to me right now and I'm going to tag him in for more on Modularity. [...] them. We can also decide when a "release" makes sense based on marketing or other consi

Re: GSequencer upstream wants to package for fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Joël Krähemann
Hi all For your information http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=16809691 https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jkraehemann/gsequencer/ Bests, Joël On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Joël Krähemann wrote: > Hi Michael > > I'm not sure of what packaging mistakes you are talking. >

Re: future of official optical media support in Fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Mike Pinkerton
On 8 Dec 2016, at 11:22, Dennis Gilmore wrote: On miércoles, 7 de diciembre de 2016 1:56:32 PM CST Mike Pinkerton wrote: I use the Server netinstall image. Use cases include loop mounting the netinstall .iso on boxes with Grub2 -- works on remote boxes where there is no physical access and

Re: Some preliminary Fedora 25 stats — and future release scheduling

2016-12-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:29:29AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 9 December 2016 at 07:58, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > >> > >> No that is a separate data set. > > > > The title of the graph might need a little adjustment :) > > Ah thanks. I have fixed the title and added a reverse st

Re: GSequencer upstream wants to package for fedora

2016-12-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 09:57:07PM +0100, Joël Krähemann wrote: > Hi all > > Just modified the gsequencer.spec file. Now, it should be more the fedora way. > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/ags/files/fedora/ > > Additionally, I uploaded the srpm and rpm packages built. > > * gsequencer > * g

trying to install dictd-server and...

2016-12-09 Thread stevefoley12723
Well, I must say, Fedora is not making it easy! I've used Debian for a few years and I really expect to install something and have it work. But...there are selinux issues, I guess. I really don't know about selinux...now I'm learning a lot. There is a folder labeled "selinux" in /usr/share/doc/

trying to install dictd-server and...

2016-12-09 Thread stevefoley12723
Well, I must say, Fedora is not making it easy! I've used Debian for a few years and I really expect to install something and have it work. But...there are selinux issues, I guess. I really don't know about selinux...now I'm learning a lot. There is a folder labeled "selinux" in /usr/share/doc/

Re: trying to install dictd-server and...

2016-12-09 Thread stevefoley12723
CORRECTION: There is a folder labeled "selinux" in /usr/share/doc/dict-server/ I seem to remember installing Fedora years and years ago and being driven crazy for a week trying to get apache working. I really think having a package named "dictd-server" should just install that package. Well, i