Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Guys and galls, > if you have Lenovo laptop please install latest Fedora 21 beta and > provide feedback because there are reported cases that suspend/resume > doesn't work on Lenovo laptops. The only issue with Carbon X1 I have with Fedora 21 Beta it, that it takes q

Re: Status of weak dependencies support in Fedora 21+

2014-11-18 Thread Jan Zelený
On 15. 11. 2014 at 14:51:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jan Silhan wrote: > >> 3. The page says "The depsolver may offer to treat the weak like very > >> weak relations or the other way round" does dnf do that? or not? > > > > DNF doesn't do that and never will. IMO that would be too hackish > > behavi

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
>> I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be >> bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but >> we already do that. > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think > they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos > wrote: >> On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad >>> mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: > >>> This doesn't seem relevant to

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 06:55 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions-

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-DBD-CSV approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Les Howell
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > drago01 wrote: > > Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" > > option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that > > something is broken like it is now. > > Possibly, but there i

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 11:29 AM, Les Howell wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 15:50 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: >> drago01 wrote: >>> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" >>> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that >>> something is brok

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate approveacls set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Log-Dispatch-FileRotate commit set to Approved

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Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Hi Mustafa! Mustafa Muhammad writes: > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > by tapping is off by default. > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but > tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers > the others th

[PkgDB] pghmcfc:perl-Module-Load watchbugzilla set to Approved

2014-11-18 Thread pkgdb
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Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Martin Stransky wrote: >> as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location >> service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. >> >> I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler >> appl

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > drago01 wrote: > >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" > >> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that > >> something is broken like it

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on > > > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so? > > > > I didn't say that, I said, "I don't thin

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-11-18 Thread Florian Weimer
On 09/08/2014 04:00 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: This is a very big problem for the GNOME stack, which uses gnutls. We're getting complaints about sites that Epiphany can't display because the CSS fails certificate validation, or sites that don't display at all, which all work fine in Firefox.

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread Corey Sheldon
libpam.d & luksCrypt looks like happens on my dell too always has Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:07 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > Guys and galls, > > i

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - >> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote: >> > drago01 wrote: >> >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" >> >> option which would solve your problem while

F-21 Branched report: 20141118 changes

2014-11-18 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 18 07:15:02 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [audtty] audtty-0.1.12-9.fc20.armv7hl requires libaudclient.so.2 [authhub] authhub-0.1.2-3.fc19.armv7hl requires libjson.so.0 [avro] avro-mapred-

Re: Status of weak dependencies support in Fedora 21+

2014-11-18 Thread Björn Persson
Jan Zelený wrote: > On 15. 11. 2014 at 14:51:32, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Jan Silhan wrote: > > >> 3. The page says "The depsolver may offer to treat the weak like very > > >> weak relations or the other way round" does dnf do that? or not? > > > > > > DNF doesn't do that and never will. IMO that

Re: Fedora 21 Final Change Freeze

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:28:45PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > as the Fedora 21 schedule[1] states the Final change freeze is upon > us. As of now only updates that fix an accepted Final Blocker bug or > Freeze exception will be a

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > >> I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be > >> bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but > >> we already do that. > > > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we hones

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. >>> >>> No, actual

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Björn Persson
Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: > [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: > Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not > aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and having > wireless interface turned on produces unnecessary „noise” and co

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert wrote: > tis 2014-11-18 klockan 00:16 +0200 skrev Nikos Roussos: >> On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: >> >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous vers

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be > bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promote

Re: SSH server always terminating after some time

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 11/14/2014 09:37 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: > On 11/14/2014 08:49 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 11/14/2014 02:46 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: >>> The only non-standard thing I can think I'm doing is running SSH on >>> another port, and I've already gotten SELinux to accept that fact. T

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Stransky
Hi, It looks like the recent Firefox "Adds" does not break any Fedora rules so it's perfectly ok to ship it "as is". The H264 codec download feature break the Fedora law and has been removed from Fedora. When Fedora rules the Adds out of the apps it will be removed from FF immediately. Until

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, Martin Stransky wrote: Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and can point people to the Fedora project. We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome p

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Martin Stransky
On 11/17/2014 02:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that upstream does not wa

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > > Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you > > hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through > > setting and control panels you will get tons and tons of random clicks > > that open random windows that needs to be closed and change rand

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-11-19)

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Mraz
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-11-19 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Erik Schilling
On 18 Nov 2014 05:56, "Peter Hutterer" wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous v

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-11-18 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 12:11 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > Firefox also builds a repository of intermediate certificates over > time > and uses them automatically to fill gaps in certificate chains for > completely unrelated sites. This leads to somewhat non-predictable > behavior regarding the

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On 11/16/2014 05:36 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): Lars Seipel wrote: What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship applications to carry ads and report tracking data? No! IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora enti

[Test-Announce] 2014-11-19 @ 1600 UTC ** Blocker Review Meeting

2014-11-18 Thread Mike Ruckman
# F21 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2014-11-19 # Time: 16:00 UTC (run "date -d '2014-11-19 16:00 UTC'" to see local time) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net It's that time of the week again! Things have been moving along smoothly after the Beta release - and now Freeze is upon

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-18 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 08:24 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > But in the end Fedora and its kernel maintainers didn't care. Which > might be the right thing to do for X as well, because companies then > learn that they need to keep track of ongoing development and users > notice some of the risks

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-18 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Lo! > > Adam Jackson wrote on 17.11.2014 20:06: >> >> With that in mind, I ask for feedback on how we'd actually like that to >> work. The kernel rebase policy seems like a pretty reasonable model: >> F21 would stay on 1.16.x until there

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Peter Hutterer píše v Út 18. 11. 2014 v 14:55 +1000: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previo

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Mustafa Muhammad píše v Po 17. 11. 2014 v 14:27 +0300: > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > by tapping is off by default. > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but > tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers

Re: ca-certificates 2014.2.1 will remove several still valid CA certificates with weak keys

2014-11-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.11.2014 um 16:12 schrieb Michael Catanzaro: On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 12:11 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: Firefox also builds a repository of intermediate certificates over time and uses them automatically to fill gaps in certificate chains for completely unrelated sites. This leads to somewh

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: > I believe M$ made "good experience" with ballot screen, may be we should >> implement something similar in open source spirit ;) >> > > If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much better option > than just replacing it with a s

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy > decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a > consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. How about an opt-in requirement? -- Ben signatur

I want to make Ryan Hallisey a co-maintainer of policycoreutils.

2014-11-18 Thread Daniel J Walsh
He is not currently in the packager list. But he does not have a package that needs to be added to Fedora. He is just making changes to policycoreutils? What is the procedure to get him on the packager list for this package. Dan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: >On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > >> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy >> decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a >> consistent policy on advertisements for

Re: I want to make Ryan Hallisey a co-maintainer of policycoreutils.

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:09:50 -0500 Daniel J Walsh wrote: > He is not currently in the packager list. But he does not have a > package that needs to be added to Fedora. He is just making changes > to policycoreutils? > > What is the procedure to get him on the packager list for this > package.

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, > Martin Stransky wrote: >> >> >> Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to >> start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and >> can point people to

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter > wrote: >>On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> >>> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy >>> decision (from Fedora's point of view). Mon

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On 11/18/2014 05:46 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: I believe M$ made "good experience" with ballot screen, may be we should implement something similar in open source spirit ;) If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much be

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on the installation, not something fetched from a remote server. That's getting into

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on the installation, not something f

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Benjamin Kreuter
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 17:14 +, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter > wrote: > >How about an opt-in requirement? > > Yes, that would make more sense. > But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I > can't even opt-out).

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: > Based on the aforementioned, I think it's infinitely easier to fix Firefox > than push for Chromium. I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... so if we're interested in pro

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:00:35 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, > Martin Stransky wrote: > > > >Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to > >start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh > >profile and can point peopl

[perl-DateTime-TimeZone] 1.80 bump, based on version 2014j of the Olson database

2014-11-18 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 06865a8417d55025b0f0e3fcf81d34bd913bb58d Author: Petr Šabata Date: Tue Nov 18 18:44:00 2014 +0100 1.80 bump, based on version 2014j of the Olson database perl-DateTime-TimeZone.spec |8 ++-- sources |2 +- 2 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletion

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > *but* please avoid FUD and paranoia and claim upstream unstrustable until > you can prove that instead of assume it Exactly! Thank you! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 07:21 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos > wrote: >> On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >>> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a polic

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
Thanks to this bugreport [1] now suspend and resume work as expected on Fedora 21, finally! Issue was with missing TPM modules! One solution would be to disable TPM in EFI/BIOS and other to install missing kernel-modules-extra package. Now resume finally works! Also suspend now takes almost twic

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Björn Persson writes: > Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: >> [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: >> Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not >> aware of this feature. They want to use their eth interface, and having >> wireless interface turned on prod

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:40:02 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Mozilla is a third party. There is no reason that they should be contacted by default. calling upstream "3rd party" is somehow strange most code in fedora is from 3rd party I am f

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Bastien Nocera > wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson >>> wrote: >>> By the way, "Disable touchpad when writing" is enabled by default, so >>> this should not affect typing. >> >> No, it's not enabled by default.

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:44:04 -0800, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide for in our default browser that other browser w

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Erik Schilling wrote: > Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger area is for movi

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Erik Schilling
On 18/11/14 22:02, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Erik Schilling wrote: >> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... > > And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) > > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual > buttons"), why do users even expect ta

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Thomas C. Gilliard
On 11/18/2014 01:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Erik Schilling wrote: Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jiri Eischmann wrote: > If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it > to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups > are supposed to do such decisions now. > If you're talking about one of other spins (KDE, Xfce,...), then you > should go to th

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert > wrote: > >> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you >> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through >> setting and control panels you will get tons and tons of random clicks

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Fulko Hew
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Erik Schilling wrote: > > Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... > > And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) > > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual > buttons"), why do users ev

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 11:09 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jiri Eischmann wrote: >> If you're talking about Workstation, then you should probably propose it >> to their working group on the desktop mailing list. The working groups >> are supposed to do such decisions now. >> If you're talking about one of other

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > drago01 wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert >> wrote: >> >>> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you >>> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way through >>> setting

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide > for in our default browser that other browser we have packages for > don't meet? I find Midori reasonable on x86_64. There is currently an > i686 problem because a library it uses is compiled with an in

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual > buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a click? The finger > area is for moving, the buttons are for clicking. The only case in which > tapping makes sense is if the touchpad has NO buttons at all (but t

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:02:10PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > do you right-click? So I don't expect this to be a common case, except maybe > in Apple's one-button land). Apple also disables tap-to-click by default. So if it's true that users expect that to be enabled those expectations must've

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Jaroslav Nahorny
Kevin Kofler writes: > Erik Schilling wrote: >> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... > > And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) > > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or physically-drawn "virtual > buttons"), why do users even expect tapping to produce a

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-18 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:53:09 +0100 "valent.turko...@gmail.com" wrote: > Issue was with missing TPM modules! One solution would be to disable > TPM in EFI/BIOS and other to install missing kernel-modules-extra > package. Jackpot, that was my problem too. The interesting thing is that I noticed t

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 22:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > That's a webkitgtk issue, look at how we handle this in QtWebKit. > > (You have to build the library twice, as /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk* with > the > WebKit JIT disabled and as /usr/lib/sse2/libwebkitgtk* with the JIT > enabled. > The WebKit

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Lars Seipel
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think > > they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. > > That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or > gnome-shell is the same form of adv

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i686 is absolutely a supported architecture, it's just not one that's regularly tested. This is the one for webkit: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-18 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I'm killfiling this thread and I'm inches away from leaving the mailing list. Can we move on? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > >> >> Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:16:34PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: > > Björn Persson writes: > > > Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: > >> [1] I know it's a far analogy, but let's try to imagine: > >> Let's disable wifi hardware by default. Why? Because some people are not > >> aware of this feature. They

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:05:01PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > drago01 wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Mattias Ellert > > wrote: > > > >> Even if you know that this weird "feature" exists, it will take you > >> hours to disable it, since while you are trying to find your way throug

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +0100, Jaroslav Nahorny wrote: > > Kevin Kofler writes: > > > Erik Schilling wrote: > >> Over the time I just got used to hitting the special button... > > > > And that's what that "special button" is for. :-) > > > > If the touchpad has physical buttons (or ph

Re: rawhide report: 20141118 changes

2014-11-18 Thread Jens Petersen
> alex-3.0.5-37.fc21 requires libHSbase-4.6.0.1-ghc7.6.3.so : : Sorry for all the missing ghc libHS* provides...: this happened while rebuilding ghc to use llvm34 to get it to work again on ARM, due to some recent dependency generation changes in ghc-rpm-macros. I already fixed this yesterd

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-18 Thread Felix Miata
Jaroslav Nahorny composed on 2014-11-18 22:59 (UTC+0100): > I think, if the device have some capability (feature) it shouldn't be > disabled by default. Right. Every feature every programmer takes the trouble to put into a program, and every feature every chip maker puts into his chip, should be