How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
Some thoughts: http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEEDSPONSOR.html http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group There is a growing number of people in the NEEDSPONSOR queue, who have submitted a single pa

Re: How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:29:54AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > There is a growing number of people in the NEEDSPONSOR queue, who have > submitted a single package only and who don't attempt at doing a review of > a different package in the various queues (not even a review of the own > packag

Re: How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread Christopher Meng
Sometimes sponsorship is quite easy, this is unfair to other people around: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1048966 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-condu

Re: How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:29:54AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > There is a growing number of people in the NEEDSPONSOR queue, who have > > submitted a single package only and who don't attempt at doing a review > of > > a differ

rawhide report: 20140112 changes

2014-01-12 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Jan 12 05:15:07 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [OpenEXR_CTL] OpenEXR_CTL-1.0.1-16.fc20.i686 requires libImath.so.6 OpenEXR_CTL-1.0.1-16.fc20.i686 requires libIlmThread.so.6 OpenEXR_CTL-1.0.1-16

Re: How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread Matthias Runge
On 01/12/2014 10:29 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Some thoughts: > > http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEEDSPONSOR.html > http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/ > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group > > There is a growing number of

Why authconfig create -ac files

2014-01-12 Thread Miroslav Suchy
I just wonder why `authconfig` creates: /etc/pam.d/system-auth -> system-auth-ac /etc/pam.d/postlogin -> postlogin-ac /etc/pam.d/password-auth -> password-auth-ac etc. Why those links and why -ac suffix? Why it does not modify original files directly? Is there some story behind? Mirek

Re: How to get packager sponsorship

2014-01-12 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:16:42 +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > > There is a growing number of people in the NEEDSPONSOR queue, who have > > submitted a single package only and who don't attempt at doing a review of > > a different package in the various queues (not even a review of the own > > packag

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and > the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! I see this using 0.4.11. What am I doing wrong? garry@vfr$ sudo dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing update kernel\* [sudo] pa

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and > > the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! > > I see this using 0.4.11. What am I doing wrong?

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-12-14 11:39:35 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > > New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and > > > the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! > > > > I

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.01.2014 18:43, schrieb Garry T. Williams: > On 1-12-14 11:39:35 Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: >>> On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and the F20 update [3].

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm coming to the conclusion that at some point distros have to give up > swimming against the tide and just say, look, if this is the way this > ecosystem wants to go, then it's your problem. Fedora's job for such > ecosystems would simply be to make sure their distributio

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread M A Young
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! I see this using 0.4.11. What am I doing wrong? garry@vfr$ sudo dnf --enabl

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 18:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > I'm coming to the conclusion that at some point distros have to give up > > swimming against the tide and just say, look, if this is the way this > > ecosystem wants to go, then it's your problem. Fedora's job for s

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.01.2014 19:39, schrieb Adam Williamson: > Have you looked at what people are installing on Fedora lately? Have you > looked at how much PHP stuff there is out there vs. what we have > packaged 'properly'? Java? Ruby? Do you know anyone who deploys > Wordpress plugins via distribution packag

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-12-14 18:18:00 M A Young wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: > > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > >> New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and > >> the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! > > > > I see this using 0.4.1

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 12 January 2014 21:06, Garry T. Williams wrote: > On 1-12-14 18:18:00 M A Young wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: >> > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: >> >> New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and >> >> the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.01.2014 20:24, schrieb Ahmad Samir: > On 12 January 2014 21:06, Garry T. Williams wrote: >> On 1-12-14 18:18:00 M A Young wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-12-14 11:30:31 you wrote: > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: > > New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and > > the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! > > I see this using 0.4.11. What am I doing wrong? [snip] > garry@vfr$ sudo dnf cle

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Tom Hughes
On 12/01/14 19:28, Garry T. Williams wrote: And yes, as Michael commented, dnf doesn't expire meta-data as often as yum. It's quite a big difference as well - yum is 6 hours and dnf is 48 hours by default. So if you're used to running update once a day then you'll find it will only work ev

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Till Maas
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:39:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 18:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > So, like Matthew Miller, I think we cannot possibly punt on this issue, but > > I totally DISAGREE with his proposed solution of endorsing those bundling > > systems offi

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 10.01.2014 21:12, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 07:58:44PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: So the question becomes, what is it appropriate for a distribution to do in this situation? My personal opinion is that what's appropriate for a distribution to do is also, happily, what's

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Garry T. Williams
On 1-12-14 20:27:26 Reindl Harald wrote: > "dnf clean all" without "dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing clean all" > does exactly *nothing* in case of "updates-testing", the same for > YUM simply because folders of non-enabled repos are not relevant for > any operation Yeah, I feel pretty stupid now.

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.01.2014 21:38, schrieb Garry T. Williams: > On 1-12-14 20:27:26 Reindl Harald wrote: >> "dnf clean all" without "dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing clean all" >> does exactly *nothing* in case of "updates-testing", the same for >> YUM simply because folders of non-enabled repos are not releva

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes - SCC

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.01.2014 22:34, Alek Paunov wrote: So, finally on that road we have: ... - NTH: remote SCC DB for the instance, - NTH: SCC local state for multiple instances (e.g. deployment nodes or local containers) kept in the same SCC DB - NTH: SCC local state inheritance between instances A

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.01.2014 22:34, Alek Paunov wrote: [*] Crucial aspect of any sophisticated data management system is the data query and manipulation language. Unfortunately the choices are rather limited - Imperative approaches (recently resurrected by some NoSQL DBs) are weak and error prone

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after installation Fedora was the only choice. Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. Sort of. Problems: 1) Fedora was the default and there is no easy way (that is without reading the 150+

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes - SCC: Fedora social

2014-01-12 Thread Alek Paunov
On 12.01.2014 22:34, Alek Paunov wrote: - sccd-web: WebUI exposing full functionality, alternatively Cockpit (OpenLMI WebUI) extension. ... - NTH: SCC local state inheritance between instances Fedora Social: Almost every developer or sysadmins like to demonstrate how clean and clever is

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes - SCC

2014-01-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Alek Paunov wrote: > > Once we apply FS snapshotting, combined with the SCC NTHs above, there > are at least two appealing use-cases: > > - reusing one base e.g. F20 server container image for both the host and > the incompatible containers (e.g. when one applicat

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Miroslav Suchy
On 01/12/2014 08:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: "dnf clean all" without "dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing clean all" does exactly*nothing* in case of "updates-testing", the same for YUM simply because folders of non-enabled repos are not relevant for any operation And is this correct behavior? (a

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.01.2014 22:42, schrieb Miroslav Suchy: > On 01/12/2014 08:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> "dnf clean all" without "dnf --enablerepo=updates-testing clean all" does >> exactly *nothing* in case of "updates-testing", the same for YUM simply >> because folders of non-enabled repos are not relev

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Alec Leamas
I have come to understand that for yum, commands like clean only applies to the actual buildroot. So without a -r argument, the cleaning is done on the default root, whatever this might be(?). Actually, there is probably nothing wrong with this - it works fine when using the -r option. Problems co

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
from a developers point of view the current behavior is clear and perfect "what is not enabled is handeled as it would not exist" means: repos with "enabled=0" are completly ignored until --enablrepo with no but and if - clear and straight logical decision from a users point of view "all" has a d

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. > Sort of. Problems: > 1) Fedora wa

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Alec Leamas
Well, IMHO the docs are actually quite clear on that 'all' refers to all metadata rather than all repositories. That said, perhaps enough people has been confused by this to make some kind of improvement motivated. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: > Well, IMHO the docs are actually quite clear on that 'all' refers to all > metadata rather than all repositories. > > That said, perhaps enough people has been confused by this to make some kind > of improvement motivated. > I am pretty sure if

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.01.2014 00:17, schrieb Orcan Ogetbil: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: >> Well, IMHO the docs are actually quite clear on that 'all' refers to all >> metadata rather than all repositories. >> >> That said, perhaps enough people has been confused by this to make some kin

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Alec Leamas
First of all, this is not, and have never been a question of disabled repos. Or should not have. "yum clean all" refers to cleaning all metadata, not all repos. It only operates on one single repo, be it implicit (the default link) or an explicit -r option. This is what confuses. I know: been the

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.01.2014 00:43, schrieb Alec Leamas: > First of all, this is not, and have never been a question of disabled repos. > Or should not have. "yum clean all" > refers to cleaning all metadata, not all repos. It only operates on one > single repo, be it implicit (the default > link) or an expli

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Alec Leamas
Yes, sorry, forget what I wrote. I messed up mock with yum, that's why. It's too late for me to chime in here. Sorry for the noise. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.01.2014 00:43, schrieb Alec Leamas: > > First of all, this is not, and have never been a question

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 19:43 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.01.2014 19:39, schrieb Adam Williamson: > > Have you looked at what people are installing on Fedora lately? Have you > > looked at how much PHP stuff there is out there vs. what we have > > packaged 'properly'? Java? Ruby? Do you kn

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 20:58 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:39:19AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sun, 2014-01-12 at 18:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > So, like Matthew Miller, I think we cannot possibly punt on this issue, > > > but > > > I totally DISAGREE wit

non-responsive maintainer

2014-01-12 Thread Andrew Widdersheim
I haven't been able to get in touch with Silas Sewell (silas) by email or by bugzilla. He is the owner of quite a few packages but I'm primarily only interested in two. They are redis and python-redis. They are both out of date and I'd like to see them get updated in EPEL. Here links to the bugz

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 12 January 2014 21:27, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.01.2014 20:24, schrieb Ahmad Samir: >> On 12 January 2014 21:06, Garry T. Williams wrote: >>> On 1-12-14 18:18:00 M A Young wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2014, Garry T. Williams wrote: > On 1-9-14 15:43:50 Ales Kozumplik wrote: >> New

where to report bad dracut man page content

2014-01-12 Thread Felix Miata
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858448 is openSUSE bug. Is upstream better for a rough parallel for Fedora, or bugzilla.redhat.com, or something else? If upstream, where exactly is upstream for reporting poor man page content? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and plea

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Miroslav Suchy
On 01/12/2014 11:23 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: Well, IMHO the docs are actually quite clear on that 'all' refers to all metadata rather than all repositories. That said, perhaps enough people has been confused by this to make some kind of improvement motivated. Let leave yum as is, but let try to

rawhide evolution-data-server/libcamel soname version bump

2014-01-12 Thread Milan Crha
Hello, I'm just updating evolution-data-server to 3.11.4 in rawhide, which includes a soname version bump for libcamel (it happened before 3.11.3, but that version didn't reach Fedora rawhide for some reason). I'll rebuild all affected packages I have commit rights for. Bye,

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 07:51:22 +0200 Ahmad Samir wrote: > Right, I missed that bit. > > > to be certain you can do "dnf(yum) --enablerepo=* clean all" if your intention is truly to remove all cache. ___ Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 15:21:16 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other

Re: dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 00:43:13 +0100 Alec Leamas wrote: > First of all, this is not, and have never been a question of disabled > repos. Or should not have. "yum clean all" refers to cleaning all > metadata, not all repos. It only operates on one single repo, be it > implicit (the default link) or