On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:20 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:36 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Does 'new automatic partitioning variant' mean 'another option in the
> >> drop-down box in Installation Optio
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> The journal is not an implementation of syslog, we already have that in
> rsyslog. Also, the feature is about ending the duplicate storage of the
> log messages, so your suggestion is completely against what the feature
> is about.
>
Wh
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Once upon a time, Billy Crook said:
> What about a special filesystem mounted at /var/log or filesystem trickery
> therein that presents contents similar to what everyone expects, backed out
> of journalctl and its storage then?
While you could probably do something like this with FUSE, it would
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Billy Crook said:
> > What about a special filesystem mounted at /var/log or filesystem
> trickery
> > therein that presents contents similar to what everyone expects, backed
> out
> > of journalctl and its storage then?
>
>
On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:20 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 13:36 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>
Does 'new automatic partitioning variant' mean 'ano
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 02:12:03PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > So, to put a number on it, does that mean _at_ the change freeze and branch
> > which is "no earlier than 2013-08-06"?
> As things stand, yeah. I think for F19 we actually started doing TCs
> earlier, but certainly by then.
Okay,
On Wed, 17.07.13 15:04, M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> >"cat /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl"
> >"tail -f /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -f"
> >"tail -n100 /var/log/messages" becomes "journalctl -n100"
> >"grep foobar
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:12:46PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> You do realize I filed for the exact same thing for F18 as is being
> proposed here.
I know, at least. And, as I said earlier in a different subthread (I don't
think you replied), the rejection didn't seem to me (I wasn't i
On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 23:25 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 23:18 -0700, Brendan Conoboy wrote:
> > On 07/10/2013 10:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > As I said elsewhere in the thread, the criteria should be subsidiary to
> > > the primary arch designation. If we decide we
On Wed, 17.07.13 18:58, M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Eric Smith wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:39 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> > wrote:
> >>Allowing editing of log files is a pure security risk...
> >
> >So is giving a sysadmin the root password, but we
On Wed, 17.07.13 11:48, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote:
> john.flor...@dart.biz (john.flor...@dart.biz) said:
> > > You can provide binary path (_EXE=) by ”journalctl /usr/sbin/sshd”.
> >
> > Yes, but that's of little help with applications using interpreted
> > languages (e.g., p
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 15:18 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Following today's FESCo decision, I have created a QA trac ticket to
> co-ordinate this:
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/393
>
> interested parties please feel free to CC yourselves and contribute any
> suggested changes /
On Wed, 17.07.13 12:09, john.flor...@dart.biz (john.flor...@dart.biz) wrote:
> > From: nott...@redhat.com
> >
> > john.flor...@dart.biz (john.flor...@dart.biz) said:
> > > > You can provide binary path (_EXE=) by ”journalctl
> /usr/sbin/sshd”.
> > >
> > > Yes, but that's of little help with
On Wed, 17.07.13 18:18, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> > > journalctl _COMM= works for me on F19.
> > >
> >
> >
> > As it does for me, but somewhere it got clipped that what I was
> > asking/wishing for was a convenient -C option (like ps) to do just this,
> This sur
On Wed, 17.07.13 17:50, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 05:21 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
> >
> >> From: scl...@netwolves.com
> >
> >> This seems like such a specious argument. Maybe it made sense when
> >> we were talking about disk drives
> >> that were megabyt
On Wed, 17.07.13 17:41, Reindl Harald (h.rei...@thelounge.net) wrote:
>
>
> Am 17.07.2013 17:21, schrieb john.flor...@dart.biz:
> >> From: scl...@netwolves.com
> >
> >> This seems like such a specious argument. Maybe it made sense when
> >> we were talking about disk drives
> >> that were megab
On Wed, 17.07.13 16:37, M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) wrote:
> >I used to do something like this with vim ":g/NOISE/d" until I could see the
> >detail I wanted when the alternations for grep would have been tremendously
> >long. With journalctl's built-in filtering capabilities I'm glad I do
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On Wed, 17.07.13 11:41, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said:
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 08:58:40PM -0400, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
> > > You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
> > > that monitor /var/log/messages
> >
On Wed, 17.07.13 12:24, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:10:35PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > I think it's more correct for packages that expect to work on a textual
> > /var/log/messages (or similar) to have a requirement on a meta 'syslog'
> > pa
On Wed, 17.07.13 17:48, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >> Except ... that would still keep duplicated logs on the FS. Removing
> >> the duplication is the primary reason for wanting to not install
> >> rsyslogd by default.
>
> > This seems like such a specious argument.
>
> Note t
On Wed, 17.07.13 19:42, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
> > Personally, I'd be interested in seeing a lightweight
> > forwarder which integrates with, say, Logstash.
> More lightweight than running rsyslog with local logging turned
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> rsyslog has facilities to read from journal, send the full data in
> text, receive and read it back, and even write it back to journal at
> the destination. (Full disclosure I haven't actually tried such a
> chain up, and I wouldn't be sur
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> So, maybe, instead of dropping the "Provides syslog" thing from
> journald, maybe we should add an explicit "syslog-files" dependency (or
> something named like that) and then make the classic syslog
> implementations provide that and the packages which
- Original Message -
> On Wed, 17.07.13 00:08, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > > that monitor /var/log/messages
> > >
> > > A) If someone is installing a program that expects this file, they can
> > > also
> > > install rsyslog.
> >
> > a) From what command they know the
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On Wed, 17.07.13 21:00, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > The release notes addition we suggested in the feature page tells you
> > what to do.
> >
> > The feature page also says we'll add /var/log/README explaining the
> > situation.
> >
> > It would be useful actually if you raised th
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:28:10AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 17.07.13 18:18, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > > > journalctl _COMM= works for me on F19.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As it does for me, but somewhere it got clipped that what I was
> > >
- Original Message -
> On Wed, 17.07.13 21:00, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > If you never want any changes, then Fedora is simply not the
> > > distribution for you. Slackware might be.
> >
> > I want sane changes that does not break my system.
>
> Well, this won't "br
- Original Message -
> On 07/17/2013 08:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" said:
> >> >Cut that number by half if you like if it somehow makes you feel
> >> >more comfortable but the fact we have around 550 - 600
> >> >service/daemons components in th
- Original Message -
> On Wed, 17.07.13 14:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually
> > > at install time or to their ks snippets.
> >
> > And this too was answered several times already.
> > The machin
- Original Message -
> On Wed, 17.07.13 21:00, Ding Yi Chen (dc...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > > The release notes addition we suggested in the feature page tells you
> > > what to do.
> > >
> > > The feature page also says we'll add /var/log/README explaining the
> > > situation.
> > >
>
On 07/17/2013 10:16 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:12:46PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
You do realize I filed for the exact same thing for F18 as is being
proposed here.
I know, at least. And, as I said earlier in a different subthread (I don't
think you replied)
On Wed, 2013-07-17 at 14:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> We ask this constantly on Fedora. Because Fedora is where innovation is
> supposed to take place, not where things are stay frozen in carbonite
> forever.
>
> (And let's never forget that Fedora is not the pioneer here. ArchLinux
> wen
On 07/12/2013 05:55 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:37:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
Would anyone care to take a guess at what the hell is going on here?
[adamw@adam ~]$ sudo yum update
(snip)
Error: Package: community-mysql-libs-5.5.32-6.fc20.x86_64
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 07:51:19AM +0200, Honza Horak wrote:
> On 07/12/2013 05:55 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> >Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 01:37:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>>Would anyone care to take a guess at what the hell is going on here?
> >>>
> >>>[adamw@adam ~
hi
retired gmaven and gshell from rawhide , cause:
1 - gmaven is upstream dead and require gshell
2 - gshell have encountered some problem with the new jline2 (2.10)
see also:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=914056
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=916924
https://bugzilla.re
Oh come on you are really reaching now. The below two points are especially
ridiculous.
>
> 1. What if they update the system like this:
>Backed up user data/script -> Fresh install -> Restore user data/script
>For that, it won't work.
>
This is called a fresh install and not an upgrade.
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