Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012/12/7 Tomas Radej : > Hi everybody. > > Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora > community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this. For those who doesn't bother reading this - "stability vs. innovation" rant. Tomas, why don't you just use/recomment stable distro? -

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 11:04:41AM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > 2012/12/7 Tomas Radej : > > Hi everybody. > > > > Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora > > community member. Red Hat has nothing to do with this. > > For those who doesn't bother reading this - "stability v

Re: Grub2

On 2012-12-08 18:07 (GMT-0800) les composed: On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 15:06 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: Is this problem restricted to machine(s) only you use? If yes, were Grub Legacy behavior and features adequate for your needs? If yes, consider removing Grub2 and installing Grub Legacy us

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Fedora 14 works great still. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 11:04:41AM +0300, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > 2012/12/7 Tomas Radej : > > > Hi everybody. > > > > > > Disclaimer: This mail is written from the position of a Fedora > > > community member

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

I dont care. On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal: > > Fedora 14 works great still. > > and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14? > a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work > great by definition a

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Dan Mashal, please please please stop Top Posting! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting#Top-posting You'd think someone running for a position on the board would know this by now? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

RE: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

The thread was already screwed. Yes, I know about it. This will be a problem of the past soon enough. Dan -Original Message- From: dave.gibb...@hushmail.com [mailto:dave.gibb...@hushmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:13 AM To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: dan.mas...@gmail.

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:32:41 -0800 Dan Mashal wrote: > > >On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: > > and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14? > > a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work > > great by definition and so because the 6 months r

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Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

May I remind you that F14 is END OF LIFE? Sure I'd love for f14 to continue getting updates. But it's not a "long term support" release. Dan On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:32:41 -0800 > Dan Mashal > wrote: > > > > >On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl

RE: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

> The thread was already screwed. > > Yes, I know about it. This will be a problem of the past soon enough. > > Dan You make it sound like you don't usually top post, but in other threads you also top post: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-December/174781.html May I remind

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 03:30:08 -0800 Dan Mashal wrote: > May I remind you that F14 is END OF LIFE? Sure I'd love for f14 to > continue getting updates. But it's not a "long term support" > release. > > Dan > Huh!, Please read your own posts back in order. Regards, Frank -- devel mailing list d

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Sorry if I came off as impolite. It's a bit late here. It's not like I love top posting and getting on people's nerves. Anyways, please continue making assumptions about who I really am instead of looking at my townhall, questionnaire or goals and objectives laid out on the wiki. I'm used to it.

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:04:41 +0300 Peter Lemenkov wrote: > For those who doesn't bother reading this - "stability vs. > innovation" rant. > > Tomas, why don't you just use/recomment stable distro? Sometimes, you want innovation + stability. I usually end up with xubuntu for those people, who ask

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

People like me? You don't even know me, who I am or what I'm about. Don't try to blame Fedora's problems on me. I've been a contributor since January 2012. And in the last 12 months my accomplishments speak for themselves. I don't claim to be perfect. Do I care about f14 getting security updates?

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On 09/12/2012 at 11:35 AM, "Dan Mashal" wrote: > >Sorry if I came off as impolite. It's a bit late here. It's not >like I love >top posting and getting on people's nerves. > >Anyways, please continue making assumptions about who I really am >instead >of looking at my townhall, questionnaire or

rawhide report: 20121209 changes

Compose started at Sun Dec 9 08:15:08 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [ansible] ansible-fireball-0.9-1.fc19.noarch requires python-keyczar ansible-node-fireball-0.9-1.fc19.noarch requires python-keyczar [ape] ape-2

F-18 Branched report: 20121209 changes

Compose started at Sun Dec 9 09:16:45 UTC 2012 Updated Packages: Thunar-1.6.0-1.fc18 --- * Tue Dec 04 2012 Kevin Fenzi 1.6.0-1 - Update to 1.6.0. - See http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/NEWS?id=781395f339e13f4da7c69ac63caefeec451b6dea exo-0.10.0-1.fc18

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:12:27AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote: > For example, the same thing happened with Gnome 3 upstream where a lot > of developers left the project due to a lack of a real vision or > direction. Please don't rely in rant-like blog posts for your source of information. In my impre

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:31:54PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote: > I would also add that if the switch to gnome 3 made enough people leave > the project, they would have gone to mate, and afaik, no one coding on > mate has a @gnome.org email. In fact, mate do take a lot of commits from > gnome : S

Peter Lemenkov

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Re: Peter Lemenkov

2012/12/9 Eric H. Christensen : > Peter, > Please contact me at spa...@fedoraproject.org. Done. -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 08:29:52 -0500, Martin Preisler wrote: Hi, I want to push Ogre 1.8.1 into rawhide next week. This will most likely break some packages but we have a lots and lots of time to fix it all up in rawhide. The changes in Ogre API aren't extensive enough for this to be a rea

Re: Heads up - Ogre 1.8.1 rawhide

On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 09:18:46 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I was looking at the cmake code for building OGRE.pc and I am thinking that when built using boost threading, -lboost_system-mt should get added as well as -lpthread. Doing this will get mygui to build (which I also am upgradin

pdfedit

In September, Ryan expressed interest to resurrect the pdfedit package, but I couldn't find follow-up messages nor koji builds. I made a patch to fix the build, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=772534 I'll try to take ownership and get builds done. Kai smime.p7s Description: S

Re: pdfedit

On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 16:49 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > In September, Ryan expressed interest to resurrect the pdfedit package, > but I couldn't find follow-up messages nor koji builds. > > I made a patch to fix the build, see > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=772534 > > I'll try to

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal: > Fedora 14 works great still. and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fedora 14? a osversion with a lot of known security holes can not work great by definition and so because the 6 months release cycle fedora should also respect the users poin

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Am 09.12.2012 11:32, schrieb Dan Mashal: > I dont care. > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > Am 09.12.2012 09:57, schrieb Dan Mashal: > > Fedora 14 works great still. > > and who the hell is fixing security bugs for your Fed

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

Am 09.12.2012 12:30, schrieb Dan Mashal: > May I remind you that F14 is END OF LIFE? Sure I'd love for f14 > to continue getting updates. But it's not a "long > term support" release. > > On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Frank Murphy wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 02:32:41 -0800 > Dan Masha

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On 12/08/2012 07:52 PM, Rahul wrote: > On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> (my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1, and >> never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the bureaucracy) > > Can you be more specific? What sort of bureaucracy d

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On 12/09/2012 12:21 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I can only say that at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers 23 steps are shown under "Becoming a Fedora Package Collection Maintainer". Some of them are technical and more or less unavoidable (koji, expiring certif

Re: Grub2

On 12/09/2012 02:38 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > Which updates? Grub2 won't get updated if it isn't installed. You'll > need to update Grub's menu yourself at kernel update time. You can make > that easier on yourself by maintaining /boot/vmlinuz-cur and > /boot/vmlinuz-prv symlinks to the two most rec

Re: Grub2

On 12/09/2012 10:06 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > Actually, grubby in Fedora is still perfectly capable of updating the > old grub.conf. To set this up, create a symlink: > > # ln -s /boot/grub/grub.conf /etc > > And create /etc/sysconfig/kernel: > > # UPDATEDEFAULT specifies if new-kernel-pkg s

Re: pdfedit

On Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:07:37 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 16:49 +0100, Kai Engert wrote: > > In September, Ryan expressed interest to resurrect the pdfedit package, > > but I couldn't find follow-up messages nor koji builds. > > > > I made a patch to fix the build, see > > h

RE: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

Hey Dan, In all the given distributions in your post, is there one that you prefer more than the others? Richard On Dec 8, 2012 1:25 PM, "Dan Mashal" wrote: > Kevin, > > This is great and is exactly what I was talking about. > > Michael, > > For the record, yes I run rawhide. > > I have Fedora

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM, Jukka Ruohonen wrote: > Quite easy. Ubuntu LTS succeeds where Fedora (and normal Ubuntu) fails. > Moreover, extending the support cycle to five years was a brilliant move > from Ubuntu. Red Hat and its derivatives do not really compete in the same > field. > > I t

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

On 12/06/2012 10:38 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: > People are annoyed to go to different bugzilla to report bugs, people > are annoyed to go to different shops to shop for stuff ( as seen by the > success of amazon, or even itunes, etc ), so why would it make sense to > have a different way dependin

Re: Grub2

On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 03:38 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2012-12-08 18:07 (GMT-0800) les composed: > > > On Sat, 2012-12-08 at 15:06 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Is this problem restricted to machine(s) only you use? > > >> If yes, were Grub Legacy behavior and features adequate for your n

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012/12/9 Roberto Ragusa : > On 12/08/2012 07:52 PM, Rahul wrote: >> On 12/08/2012 01:48 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >>> (my two cents, as someone using Red Hat / Fedora daily since RH5.1, and >>> never stepping up as Fedora packager because too scared by the bureaucracy) >> >> Can you be more speci

Re: What would it take to make Software Collections work in Fedora?

Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 14:26 -0500, Jon Masters a écrit : > On 12/06/2012 10:38 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: > > > People are annoyed to go to different bugzilla to report bugs, people > > are annoyed to go to different shops to shop for stuff ( as seen by the > > success of amazon, or even

RE: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

Hi Richard, 14 is my favorite. However, it's so out of date that usually the VM is powered off. I usually power it on these days for nostalgic purposes. Most of the time these days I'm running 18 for doing QA and packaging work. Thanks, Dan From: devel-boun...@lists.fedorapro

RE: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to Gnome. :) Dan -Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Olav Vitters Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 5:42 AM To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > MATE IS growing. And MATE developers are starting to contribute to Gnome. :) > > Dan So is Cinnamon. So is XMonad. So is Unity, for that matter. What *doesn't* seem to be growing is LXDE, and I'm not sure about XFCE, Enlightenment and WindowMak

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:31:54 +0100 > Michael Scherer wrote: > Just to highlight this... I intend to switch my laptop to rawhide and > run it and try and gather a like minded group of people to fix things > as they break faster and work on mak

Re: Grub2

On Sun, 2012-12-09 at 10:49 -0800, John Reiser wrote: > On 12/09/2012 10:06 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > Actually, grubby in Fedora is still perfectly capable of updating the > > old grub.conf. To set this up, create a symlink: > > > > # ln -s /boot/grub/grub.conf /etc > > > > And create /etc/sy

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a écrit : > There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with > Windows 8 Pro and Fedora 18. But I do have an ancient crash-and-burn > workstation I can run Rawhide on. It's currently dual-booted Fedora 18 > and

Re: Orphaning libunwind

Josh Boyer wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of that. At the moment, it is found because the library > is in Fedora. However, I don't want to build 3.7 perf against a library > that is orphaned and clearly not really supported. So I'm going to > disable it with NO_LIBUNWIND=1 and we can revisit perf with

Re: Grub2

On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:31 PM, les wrote: > > Ok, guys, > Here is the story. The command in the grub manual is wrong. You need > to use "# grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg" The upstream GRUB manual is correct, the issue is that it's renamed on Fedora to avoid conflict with GRUB Leg

Re: LibRaw: possible license issues

Debarshi Ray wrote: > GStreamer applications either opt for LGPLv2+ or GPLv2+ with exceptions > because they might end up using proprietary or otherwise unfavourably > licensed GStreamer plugins . Why would we care? We do not ship those proprietary plugins. Are you going to tell us next that the

Re: [rawhide] (was Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant))

On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le dimanche 09 décembre 2012 à 15:18 -0800, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky a > écrit : > >> There's no way I can run my laptop on Rawhide - it's dual-booted with >> Windows 8 Pro and Fedora 18. But I do have an ancient crash-and-burn >> workstation

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