Re: Non-responsive maintainer - Chris Ricker

2010-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
> I have to second someone taking over rrdtool. I handed it off to > Chris > a while back, but have still done far more work on it since then than > he has, and I've not seen him touch an rrdtool bz in ages. :( > > (And no, I don't want maintainership back.) I am ready to take it (I already own i

Re: still a 2TB limit in F14 Anaconda, for LVM PV size

2010-11-12 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 11/11/2010 08:54 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > I just tried to install F14 on a new server with a 7.6 TB RAID (five > Hitachi 2 TB drives on a 3ware 9750). I was pleased to see that the > disk partitioning interface in Anaconda recognized the array and didn't > have a problem with the size, repo

rawhide report: 20101112 changes

2010-11-12 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Nov 12 08:15:04 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- apcupsd-3.14.8-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libnetsnmp.so.20()(64bit) balsa-2.4.7-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libnotify.so.1()(64bit) beagle-0.3.9-19.fc14.

Re: Orphan packages retired for F-14 (and rawhide)

2010-11-12 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 08/27/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > tanukiwrapper I will take this one. -- Miroslav Suchy Red Hat Satellite Engineering -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

boot.fedoraproject.org default repo on installation

2010-11-12 Thread Rudolf Kastl
Heyyas. I actually gave boot.fedoraproject.org a testrun and i realized that by default a repository called "installation" is selected with a static repo url. instead i have actually figured that selecting the usual standard fedora repositories work aswell and they point to the mirrorlist instead.

GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread nodata
I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ I can't find a review request. nd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) Things I know of so far: * systemd * gnome3 / gnome-shell default * removing a bunch of suid stuff in favor of capabilities * xfce 4.8 (with any luck). Things that are o

python-nltk ownership changed

2010-11-12 Thread Robin Lee
python-nltk ownership is passed from 'salimma' to 'cheeselee'. Cheers. Robin 'cheese' Lee -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Lumens
> * btrfs (Is this ready to be default? :) If so, would that warrant a > change in our lvm by default setup? I don't think we are quite ready for this yet. I do have "btrfs strategy" on my todo list, though. I'm hoping we can start talking at FUDCon about what we want btrfs to do for us, poss

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 11/12/2010 11:46 AM, Chris Lumens wrote: >> * btrfs (Is this ready to be default? :) If so, would that warrant a >>change in our lvm by default setup? > I don't think we are quite ready for this yet. I do have "btrfs > strategy" on my todo list, though. I'm hoping we can start talking at >

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread clumens
> We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme > about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly > stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can > fix the file system!). > > Last week at plumbers, we did get a large chunk of the btrfs > d

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM, wrote: >> We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme >> about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly >> stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can >> fix the file system!). >> >> Last week at plu

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Maybe for some people. Having spin stuff break before the alpha and final releases, was neither dull nor relaxing. The beta was OK for me, but deal

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Lumens
> Agreed, my plan was to take away the option for F15 (I sent the > anaconda patch already right?) and leave it as an optional thing for > at least 2 releases until we even begin to discuss setting it as > default. Yep, it's been in for quite a while now: commit 8f4340dc86f515cd2f6571c06b790ab420

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/12/2010 05:03 PM, clum...@redhat.com wrote: >> We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme >> about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly >> stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can >> fix the file system!). >> >> Last week

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We > implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant > problems with one release. This does not justify the conclusion that the > policies shoul

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * grub2 (no one is driving for this that I know of, but has some > advantages over our grub1 if someone is willing to run with it, although > it may be a lot of work to get it to where we need it). I understood grub2 is much worse for serial console sup

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- "Kevin Fenzi" wrote: > Greetings. > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that > Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) > > Things I know of so far: > > * systemd > * gnome3 / gnome-shell default > * removing a bunch of suid stuff in favor of capabilitie

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that > Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) > > Things I know of so far: > > * systemd > * gnome3 / gnome-shell default > * removing a bunch of suid stuff in fav

Re: GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread Neal Becker
nodata wrote: > I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. > > Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? > http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ > > I can't find a review request. > > nd Isn't it part of moreutils? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ht

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 20:03 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We > > implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant > > problems with one release.

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Tom Lane
Till Maas writes: > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We >> implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant >> problems with one release. This does not justify the conclusion th

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:32 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Till Maas writes: > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We > >> implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant > >> probl

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:32 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester > manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop > denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of > critical packages, for which the

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:19:22 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 20:03 +0100, Till Maas wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this > > > conclusion. We implemented the policies for

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:54 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > Adam why should security updates wait at all ? > Do you fear some packager will flag as security updates that are not ? > Surely we can deal with such maintainer if that happens... I don't have a hugely strong opinion either way, but the stat

Re: GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread nodata
On 12/11/10 20:18, Neal Becker wrote: > nodata wrote: > >> I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. >> >> Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? >>http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ >> >> I can't find a review request. >> >> nd > > Isn't it part of moreutils? > AHA

Re: GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2010-11-12 09:02:40 PM, nodata wrote: > On 12/11/10 20:18, Neal Becker wrote: > > nodata wrote: > > > >> I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. > >> > >> Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? > >>http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ > >> > >> I can't find a revi

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- "Robyn Bergeron" wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Greetings. > > > > Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking > that > > Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) > > > > Things I know of so far: > > > > * systemd > > * gnome3 / gnome-s

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:02:03 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:54 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > Adam why should security updates wait at all ? > > Do you fear some packager will flag as security updates that are > > not ? Surely we can deal with such maintainer if that hap

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 14:54:28 -0500 Simo Sorce wrote: > Adam why should security updates wait at all ? > Do you fear some packager will flag as security updates that are not ? > Surely we can deal with such maintainer if that happens... No. The issue is that in the past sometimes security updates

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: > Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, > specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs > patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the default > in Fedora. Thanks, Grub2 has been in F

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: >> Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, >> specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs >> patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making i

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Tom "spot" Callaway
On 11/12/2010 03:58 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >> On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: >>> Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, >>> specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs >>> patches

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On 11/12/2010 03:58 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >>> On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specificall

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Peter Jones
On 11/12/2010 11:35 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * grub2 (no one is driving for this that I know of, but has some >advantages over our grub1 if someone is willing to run with it, although >it may be a lot of work to get it to where we need it). I'll be glad to point people in the right direct

Orphaning some packages

2010-11-12 Thread Aurelien Bompard
I'm orphaning 4 Spring-related packages, due do shrinking free time and inadequate hardware. Spring is a 3D real-time strategy game. The packages are : - spring - spring-installer - spring-maps-default - springlobby Anyone interested ? Aurélien -- http://aurelien.bompard.org Jabber :

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Fenzi writes: * gnome3 / gnome-shell default And what about systems with hardware that does not support accelerated 3D? * Will NM finally be able to do bridging? I'd like to know this too. pgpHpXPxqULIu.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:07 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > * gnome3 / gnome-shell default > > And what about systems with hardware that does not support accelerated 3D? There'll be a fallback to metacity. (Or, perhaps, you could run Shell on LLVM...that's just me conje

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Till Maas writes: >> > > It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester > manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop > denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of > critical packages

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Ben Boeckel
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Can we finally remove hal? (xfce4.8 shouldn't need it anymore with > any luck). Well, I've been doing this since F13, but not having to deal with it in n...@minimal installs as well would be nice :) . > * Some kind of packaged wayland to play with, even if it doesn't do

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Mike McGrath
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > * Can we finally remove hal? (xfce4.8 shouldn't need it anymore with > any luck). > Current HEAD of smolt doesn't require it, expecting to release to rawhide soon. -Mike -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedora

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 12.11.10 12:09, Josef Bacik (jo...@toxicpanda.com) wrote: > Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, > specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs > patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the default > in Fedora. Than

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2010/11/13 Lennart Poettering : > On Fri, 12.11.10 12:09, Josef Bacik (jo...@toxicpanda.com) wrote: > >> Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, >> specifically grub2.  So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs >> patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Brendan Jones
> Some folks at LPC suggested we should switch from grub to syslinux > rather than grub2. Meego uses syslinux. I have little clue how both > compare, but maybe it's worth considering syslinux given that we already > use it for the cd booting and maybe we should consolidate our options > and use sy

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Tom Lane
"Clyde E. Kunkel" writes: > On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: >> It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester >> manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop >> denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of >> critical pa

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 23:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > 2. I screwed up and introduced a packaging bug, for instance bad > dependencies or inability to "yum update". That's been known to happen > too. But I have a lot more faith in autoqa being able to catch that > kind of problem in a timely fashi