On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 11:01:04PM -0700, Eric Smith wrote:
> Seems generally reasonable to me.
>
> Is there a definition somewhere of what constitutes a "critical path
> update"?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_path_packages#Where_can_I_find_the_critical_path.3F
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On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable
> version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I managed to
> get was a bugzilla thread
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=458975
> which
On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable
>> version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I managed to
>> get was a bugzilla thread
>> https://bugz
On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
> On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable
>>> version) and its python binding (pivy) not in fedora. All I manag
On 22 September 2010 14:24, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
>>
>> On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
Hi,
I was trying to find out why is coin3d version 3.1.3 (latest stable
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On 09/22/2010 11:06 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
> On 22 September 2010 14:24, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 09/22/2010 10:38 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
>>>
>>> On 22 September 2010 13:29, Ralf Corsepiuswrote:
On 09/22/2010 08:32 AM, Prasad H. L. wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I was tryi
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 01:51:03AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
> > As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as
> > users) grows, this interdependence will grow.
>
> Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora "backports" repo for these th
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
> >> As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as
> >> users) grows, this interdependence will grow.
> >
> > Ok, so maybe it's time to setu
2010/9/22 Richard W.M. Jones :
> Maybe we should turn this around and ask why more people don't
> use Rawhide.
Maybe because when I installed rawhide I lost my desktop icons? :)
IMHO rawhide isn't the right answer for most users who wants just one new app.
> Rich.
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On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy
> draft page:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft
>
> How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be mo
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> Greetings.
>>
>> I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy
>> draft page:
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft
>>
>> How can w
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold
> packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks
> (eg. does it boot, can an X server be started).
That's basically the proven testers process,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
>> >> As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as
>> >> users) grows, thi
Hi,
I know I can do the likes of
export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus
the argument "-blah" to the compiler.
How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass --build-id using
export LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS --build-id"
It's about the only way I can get mono to build
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:06 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
>>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
>>> >> As the concept of using third party repo
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On 09/22/2010 02:08 PM, Paul F. Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know I can do the likes of
>
> export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus
> the argument "-blah" to the compiler.
>
> How do I do this with LDFLAGS.
Depends on a build-system's internals.
> I'm trying to pass --
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> [snip]
> Exactly - That's why I am wondering if the page you cite above is an
> "outdated place holder" or if this page current and "brand new".
>
>
It looks like the project updated its version number to 4.0.0a last year:
http://hg.sim.no/
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 08:20 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote:
> That's why I propose an easy way to install additional repos. I can't
> see a non tech savvy user installing the chromium browser on fedora,
> to be brutally honest. It's annoying having to hold their hand and
> walk them through it. I don't
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On 09/22/2010 05:06 AM, drago01 wrote:
> Well "use rawhide" for anything else than testing and/or developing
> the new release just do not fly.
>
> Some of the reasons I can think of:
>
> 1) To high rate of changes / breakage
Not much one can do on
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> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
>> This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold
>> packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity che
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perl(JSON::XS) >= 2.29 is needed (upgrade requested in bug #636518)
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:07:24PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> > This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold
> > packages from Rawhide if they don't pass some basic sanity checks
> > (eg. does it boot,
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 02:06:12PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> >> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
> >> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
> >> >> As the concept of using thir
I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA
isn't material. AutoQA is probably better. *Provided* that if the
basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into
the Rawhide compose.
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On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 12:48 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >> Greetings.
> >>
> >> I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates policy
> >> draft page:
> >>
> >> https://fed
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Date: Wed Sep 22 15:34:10 2010 +0200
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I should add that whether this testing happens in Koji or in AutoQA
> isn't material. AutoQA is probably better. *Provided* that if the
> basic sanity tests fail they must prevent the packages from going into
> the Rawhide compose.
>
>
something like sidux, but fedora based im thinking
stable f14 with the goodies stable vision blocks because people want
stale software, and i'd rather not use rawhide or opensuse
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
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On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know I can do the likes of
>
> export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus
> the argument "-blah" to the compiler.
>
> How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying t
Meeting minutes from our second meeting. I reordered our wiki a bit to
accomodate future meeting minutes and agendas (thanks to KDE SIG for
template :-) )
I would like to know how many people wanted to attend but couldn't
because of time. There are about 2x as many people written on our SIG
page t
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>> 2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
>>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi :
>>> >> As the concept of using third
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:01 +0200,
Tomas Mraz wrote:
>
> - Avoid changing the user experence if at all possible. - this is too
> strong condition. In some cases fixing a bug might inevitable change the
> user experience and in some cases for example the user experience might
> be just seve
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
>> > This example is IMO wrong:
>> > - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires
>> > updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This
>> > would be a judgement call based on how intrusive the chan
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 15:18 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > 4) To much of "manual fixing" required
> > 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security
> > fixes
> > 6) Some others that I can't think of right now might be a consequence
> > of the above or something else
>
On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote:
> On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>>> This is reasonably easy to fix: we should do some testing and withhold
>>> packages from Rawhide if they don't pass som
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:24:38 +0100,
"Richard W.M. Jones" wrote:
>
> I use Rawhide on my laptop and one of my servers, so I'll tell you the
> answer to this: because critical components such as the kernel are
> often broken. IME this is because there is no testing of these
> components befo
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 09/22/2010 08:08 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote:
>> I know I can do the likes of
>>
>> export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -blah" and it will pass whatever CFLAGS is plus
>> the argument "-blah" to the compiler.
>>
>> How do I do this with LDFLAGS. I'm trying to pass --build-id using
>
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:06:12 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
> Some of the reasons I can think of:
>
> 2) No signed packages
There is a plan to deal with that, but I am not sure what its current
status is.
> 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security
> fixes
Hopeful
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:22:21AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:24:38 +0100,
> "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote:
> >
> > I use Rawhide on my laptop and one of my servers, so I'll tell you the
> > answer to this: because critical components such as the kernel are
> > ofte
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 09:59:51 -0400,
Al Dunsmuir wrote:
>
> If a second rawhide-specific staging repository (equivalent to
> updates-testing, so call it rawhide-testing) was added with some
> autoqa automation to prevent gratuitous problems (such as broken
> dependencies
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 15:34:34 +0100,
"Richard W.M. Jones" wrote:
>
> No, I think you are wrong.
>
> First of all, I can see no benefit in pushing a package that cannot do
> its basic function to Rawhide. Even in Rawhide, no one wants a kernel
> that doesn't boot, even if in some circumstan
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> On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 6:19:28 PM, Jesse wrote:
>> On 09/22/2010 04:07 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:24 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>>
This is reasonably easy
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 16:09 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
>
> >> > This example is IMO wrong:
> >> > - WebKit requires an update to solve a security problem. This requires
> >> > updating Midori to a version with some minor menu layout changes. This
>
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commit 429bb74e17b0e3b7a2e25331ae43097727dbc1b7
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Date: Wed Sep 22 17:01:26 2010 +0200
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On 09/22/2010 04:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> That would likely be an improvement, but have you thought through the
> interaction issues? Builds are rarely standalone, so we need to figure
> out which builds go with which other builds so they can be
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,
Tomas Mraz wrote:
> I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not
> possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update
> Midori has to be updated to a new version regardless of the changes of
> user experience.
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200,
Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
> we have now.
The other case to consider is two updates in rawhide-pending that each
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On 09/22/2010 05:07 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:05:30 +0200,
> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>
>> It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
>> we have now.
>
> The other case to consider is two updat
Jesse Keating wrote:
> It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
> we have now.
I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel
without debugging before I would even think of using it for my home or
work systems. I have a need for speed. :P
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On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Jesse Keating wrote:
> > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
> > we have now.
>
> I'm still not going to use rawhide. There would have to be a kernel
> without debugging before I would even think of
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Al Dunsmuir wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
2010/9/20 Michał Piotrowski :
> 2010
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
>> I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not
>> possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update
>> Midori has to be updated to
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:04 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
> > I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not
> > possible to backport the security patch and due to the version update
> > Midori has to be upda
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,
> > Tomas Mraz wrote:
> >> I say that the example of Webkit should be removed because if it is not
> >> possible to backport the securit
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:51:01 +0200,
Tomas Mraz wrote:
> Of course, the issue might be very minor, but in that case it is not a
> "judgement call based on how intrusive thec changes are" but "judgement
> call on whether the pros and cons of doing the update are significantly
> in favor of pro
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > Jesse Keating wrote:
> > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
> > > we have now.
> >
> > I'm still not going to use rawhide. Ther
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:27:43 +0200,
> drago01 wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 17:01:02 +0200,
>> > Tomas Mraz wrote:
>> >> I say that the example of Webkit should be re
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 04:22:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 10:13 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> > Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > > It isn't going to be perfect, but it'll definitely be better than what
>>
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Hey Kevin,
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more
> clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing package
> update howto page? Could we be more detailed about what bodhi enforces
> and whats jus
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
>
> In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that" is
> not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here.
> You are leaving users at risk by assuming that they will read that
> notice (note: most wont).
I disagree. There
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On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 02:19:06PM -0400, Luke Macken wrote:
> Backend Changes
> ===
>
> - Add the new 'dist-fN-updates{-testing,}-pending' tags to builds so AutoQA
> can
> start testing them before they get pushed
> - List security & critpath testing updates in our updates-testing
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 03:25:25PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:06:09 -0700
> Eric Smith wrote:
>
> > A bug was filed against meshlab because of an FTBFS for Fedora 14. I
> > added a patch to resolve it and submitted an update. After seven
> > days with no feedback, I was
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:14:47 +0100
Alex Hudson wrote:
> Hey Kevin,
>
> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:47 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > How can we clarify the language or the layout of the page to be more
> > clear? Are there places that it could be more like the existing
> > package update howto page?
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:05:42 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:01 +0200,
> Tomas Mraz wrote:
> >
> > - Avoid changing the user experence if at all possible. - this is
> > too strong condition. In some cases fixing a bug might inevitable
> > change the user experienc
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200,
> drago01 wrote:
> >
> > In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that"
> > is not acceptable ... that's all I am saying here.
> > You are leaving users at risk by assuming
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:06:42 -0400
Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> You've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about the exceptions. I
> think that is good. I would, however, suggest you also include
> examples of changes/updates that are not applicable for a stable
> release.
Good idea.
Add some t
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600,
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Greetings.
> >
> > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates
> > policy draft page:
>
> Do you want feedback on the mailing list or the Talk pa
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:37:44 -0400
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> For (unreleased) F14, I think that the arugment that future work on
> the package is better off starting with something that works than to
> start off with something that's broken by new gcc, boost, etc is very
> valid.
Sure. I would su
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:32PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > So, for example, we have these use cases for Fedora which involves
> > information working on the desktop, so the guiding principles for the
> > stable release ought to be about those users being generally happy and
> > having a deskt
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600,
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> So, that would be, BAD:
>
> - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around)
> - Changing names of commands for command line.
> - Changing behavior of command line options (ie, --foo does something
> totally differen
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600,
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600,
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > Greetings.
> > >
> > > I'd like to ask for feedback and helping cleaning up an updates
> > >
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:12:54 -0500
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 18:58:25 +0200,
>> drago01 wrote:
>> >
>> > In case of a security issue a random note somewhere "don't do that"
>> > is not acceptable ... that's all I
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:42:14 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:38 -0600,
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > So, that would be, BAD:
> >
> > - Changing User interface (moving menu items or buttons around)
> > - Changing names of commands for command line.
> > - Changing behav
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:45:55 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35:55 -0600,
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:09:32 -0500
> > Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:47:04 -0600,
> > > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > > Greetings.
> > > >
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:05:23 -0600,
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> ok. I Changed 'Beta' mentions in the Pre Beta section to "Alpha or Beta
> releases". Does that work?
That looks fine now. Thanks.
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