On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>
> Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM
> +0450:
> > On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
> >
> > > Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. Most of the
> > > implementation is done, the only missing part is
On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
--snip--
No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
removable media.
It doesn't need to.
--snip--
Mount DVD as normal.
your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(repodata)
eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD"
enable
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:41, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 09/05/10 07:52, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
> --snip--
>>>
>> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
>> removable media.
>
> It doesn't need to.
>
> --snip--
>
> Mount DVD as normal.
> your dvd.repo : baseurl:file://path/to/dvd/(
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 11:43, Ankur Sinha wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:22 +0430, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>
>> Frank Murphy wrote on 05/08/2010 10:51:42 PM
>> +0450:
>>
>>> On 08/05/10 19:15, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
>>>
>>>
Please have a look at the last comments of the bug. M
On 09/05/10 10:28, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
--snip--
>> eg: baseurl=file:"/media/Fedora 12 i386 DVD"
>> enabled=1
>> gpgcheck=true
>>
>> Why fix a bug that doesn't need to be fixed.
>>
>> Above method works for me.
> Personally I do know how to use DVD as a repository, but that's not
> suitable for
On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 19:40 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
> Matěj Cepl said the following on 05/07/2010 04:41 PM Pacific Time:
> > More and more I was writing this email, more and more I tend to agree
> > with somebody today, who wrote that they key problem of the Fedora
> > community is unclear visi
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 19:40 -0700, John Poelstra wrote:
>> Matěj Cepl said the following on 05/07/2010 04:41 PM Pacific Time:
>> > More and more I was writing this email, more and more I tend to agree
>> > with somebody today, who wrote tha
Personally I think Fedora is good at what it does, and although it
causes me some frustration that Fedora isn't better at wooing mass
market users, I wouldn't want to make radical changes to structures
and processes to chase some goals.
There would be much easier and more painless ways to woo thes
Frank Murphy wrote:
> That *should not* be default for most users,
> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot,
then how can we all be using the stable and u
On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>> That *should not* be default for most users,
>> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
>> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
>
> If using the DVD together with the updates repository would break quite a lot
Compose started at Sun May 9 08:15:17 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.11
almanah-0.7.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.8
anjal-0.3.2-2.fc14.i686 r
/*Frank Murphy */ wrote on 05/09/2010 4:20:15 PM +0450:
On 09/05/10 12:34, Björn Persson wrote:
Frank Murphy wrote:
That *should not* be default for most users,
as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
If using th
On 09/05/10 13:34, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
>--snip--
>>
>> Frank
>>
> Well, sorry but you simply don't get it! Give a Fedora DVD to a new
> Linux user and tell him to install it on his own system.
Then ask him to
> install Eclipse from DVD since he will most probably NOT opt to
> customize his pac
Dne 9.5.2010 12:09, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> Making any change is much harder than it should be; we always end up
> in endless discussions without any outcome while others like Ubuntu
> seems to have a better decision making process; and seriously I think
> this is the one which basically block
Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> For them, we can simply:
> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alternatives
> using GTK+ 2.x, we don't need worry about this.
> 2.Update applications to GTK 2.x p
Hello
I have just (mostly) completed a package for review. The package is part of
the "OpenProofs" project and is called Frama-C. It is for the mathematical
proof of subroutines and programs. The website for the project is
www.openproofs.org and the link to the bug report is
https://bugzilla.re
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
>> For them, we can simply:
>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
>> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alternatives
>> using GTK+ 2.x, we don't ne
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.fc12.x86_64
> gcombust-1:0.1.55-16.x86_64
> gcx-0:0.9.11-9.fc12.x86_64
> gdk-pixbuf-1:0.22.0-3
On 05/09/2010 03:17 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane mailto:musur...@gmail.com>>
>
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
>
> On F-12/x86_64:
>
> $ repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps gtk+ |grep x86_64|sort
> bubblemon-0:1.46-10.fc12.x86_64
> crossfire-client-0:1.11.0-3.fc12.x86_64
> dillo-0:0.8.6-11.fc12.x86_64
> gcombust-1:0.1.55-16.x86_64
> gcx-0:0.9.11-9.fc12.x86_64
> gdk-pixbuf-1:0.22.0
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 12:16 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> Personally I think Fedora is good at what it does, and although it
> causes me some frustration that Fedora isn't better at wooing mass
> market users, I wouldn't want to make radical changes to structures
> and processes to chase some goal
2010/5/9 Andrea Musuruane
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> > Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> >> For them, we can simply:
> >> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
> >> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations have better alter
On 05/09/2010 06:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in this area (let alone O
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I see that we're calling killall -TERM instead of killall -HUP in the patch.
> That seems non-optimal (since it means we'll keep shutting down the gconfd
> server instead of letting it use it's 30second timeout)
That's definitely suboptima
06.05.2010 01:40, Warren Togami ?:
(10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73%
[- ] 0.0 B/s | 3.7 MB
3340883129410265958989882401668816722716705737932:48 ETA
Anyone else seeing this kind of behavior with F-13 yum within kvm or
vmware gues
Frank Murphy wrote:
> That *should not* be default for most users,
> as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
> if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
>
> as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released.
That shouldn't be a problem as long as updates is enab
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> I think it would be better to drop ntp support completely from s-c-d once
> chrony becomes default in Fedora. We aim to support default Fedora
> configuration tools. Radek Novacek is now working on date/time DBus
> interface under FMCI umbrella.
Speaking of configuration t
Mail Lists wrote:
>The prime motivation of this project is a use case of intermittent
> internet connections of 5 mins a day.
>
> I seriously doubt that is the common use case for majority of fedora
> users.
I think intermittent Internet connections are actually extremely common.
Think lap
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 11:09 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in this area (
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Miroslav Lichvar wrote:
> With the latest improvements in the chrony package related to
> NetworkManager and name resolving I think it is now good enough to
> replace ntpd in the default configuration and the configurations
> supported by system-config-date.
Hi Mir
On 05/09/2010 01:45 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> lets go over a couple of things to help lower the grumpiness of others.
A good summary which shows care and thoughtfulness - please add also
the question:
4) For servers (distinct from the desktop use case) - which would be
the better c
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:56:27AM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> > I see that we're calling killall -TERM instead of killall -HUP in the patch.
> > That seems non-optimal (since it means we'll keep shutting down the gconfd
> > server inst
/*Kevin Kofler */ wrote on 05/09/2010 9:24:04 PM
+0450:
Frank Murphy wrote:
That *should not* be default for most users,
as it will end up breaking quite a lot,
if used with other repos. (updates,updates-tesing, 3rd party)
as %requires may have changed quite a bit since DVD was released.
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
> removable media.
Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
automatically mounted when you insert it (if someone is logged in on the
console).
/Ale
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:04 -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I'm a bit unclear on the original problem report, actually. In
> addition to
> what you've said, the report also says that the user had to logout and
> log
> back in before it worked. That seems like a different symptom. 30
> seconds
>
sön 2010-05-09 klockan 18:54 +0200 skrev Kevin Kofler:
> Many of them
> have updates anyway.
Use delta-RPMs (combining not the installed old version but the old
version on the DVD with the downloaded drpm).
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/*Seth Vidal */ wrote on 05/06/2010 11:47:39
PM +0450:
On Thu, 6 May 2010, Hedayat Vatnakhah wrote:
Hi,
Warren Togami wrote on پنجشنبه ۰۶ مه ۱۰،
۰۲:۱۰:۴۸:On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 02:10, Warren Togami
wrote:
(10/12): samba-3.5.2-60.fc13.x86_64.rpm (71%) 73%
[==
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
reason to keep gtk+.
Upstream did not do any updates recently, but that doesn't mean that
the software is not functional.
Orcan
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On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۹ 10:43, Alexander � wrote:
> sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
>
>
>> No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
>> removable media.
>>
> Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
> automatically mounted wh
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 20:13 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote:
> sön 2010-05-09 klockan 11:22 +0430 skrev Hedayat Vatankhah:
>
> > No, the problem is this: PackageKit does not know how to mount a
> > removable media.
>
> Why do you even need to mount it? Removable media is of course
> automatically
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
Gilboa Davara wrote:
> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
> decided by FESCO, which left (large?) parts of the developer community
> feeling left ou
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 11:09:12 +0100,
Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we
> can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a
> desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by
> Ubuntu in t
Hi,
On ۱۰/۰۵/۰۶ 03:34, Christoph � wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this is an off topic question, but since I know that some of you are
> familiar with gcc, I am asking it here before signing up somewhere else.
>
> I have to source-compile one language (Modelica) to C++. Since Modelica
> has a structural su
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
>> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
>> decided by FESCO, which le
On 05/10/2010 12:37 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
>
>> Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
>> were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
>> decided by FESCO, which left
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> decide who we are and what is our goal.
Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playground*. That
is what everyone, not completely new to Linux, knows and o
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> > were left out of these proceedings, and everything was more-or-less
> > decided by FESCO, wh
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> > decide who we are and what is our goal.
>
> Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playgroun
On Sun, 9 May 2010, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 14:07 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 20:34:57 +0300,
> > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > > Thus far, it seemed that the both the user and the developer communities
> > > were left out of these proceedings, and
[Well, sorry for posting again to this subthread, but this particular post
has nothing whatsoever to do with hall monitoring. (Time for another new
subthread?)]
Thomas Janssen wrote:
> And we're gladly acting like it, e.g. x-server not compatible with HW
> vendor drivers at release time (believe
Hello
Earlier I posted a request to see if anyone was willing to review a proposed
new RPM. I forgot to mention that I would be willing to exchange the review
with someone needing help geting their project reviewed.
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Am Sonntag, den 09.05.2010, 04:25 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Christoph Höger wrote:
> > Unfortunately g++ also allows one single precompiled header per
> > compilation unit. Does anyone know why?
>
> Because a g++ "precompiled header" is more or less a dump of the complete
> compiler state, wh
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:17:39PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote:
> >
> Most of those applications are replaced, e.g. xmms2 for xmms, putty(svn)
> for putty 0.60,
> since it's already done by some other distributions, I think
> it's quite safe to retire gtk 1.2 completely from fedora.
That's not a good
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to
> > decide who we are and what is our goal.
>
> Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playgroun
On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
> support it!
>
It might not be obvious but doing so is very counter productive even for
those user
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
>> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
>> support it!
>>
>
> It might not be obviou
On Mon, 10 May 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/10/2010 02:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> We do not and should never support proprietary drivers. Please NEVER
>> withhold a new version of X.Org X11 just because proprietary drivers don't
>> support it!
>>
>
> It might not be obvious but doin
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 04:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christoph Höger wrote:
> > Unfortunately g++ also allows one single precompiled header per
> > compilation unit. Does anyone know why?
>
> Because a g++ "precompiled header" is more or less a dump of the complete
> compiler state, which is
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:16:45PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I don't agree with that, entirely. Think about it - Red Hat sells big
> enterprise stuff. Mostly servers. Directly, PA and bleeding edge X stuff
> isn't of huge immediate interest to RH. I mean, of course RH is going to
> pay peo
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On 05/09/2010 10:03 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
>> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
>>> For them, we can simply:
>>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have dead upstream
>>> for a long time. Normally, those allipcations h
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On 05/09/2010 10:03 AM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> >> Dne 9.5.2010 06:53, Chen Lei napsal(a):
> >>> For them, we can simply:
> >>> 1. Simply orphan those application from repos which have de
On Sun 9 May 2010 10:26:35 am Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mail Lists wrote:
> >The prime motivation of this project is a use case of intermittent
> >
> > internet connections of 5 mins a day.
> >
> > I seriously doubt that is the common use case for majority of fedora
> >
> > users.
>
> I think
USB-MODEM from Huawei (Model: Huawei EC1261 ) does not work with fedora-12
(kernel 2.6.32.11-.fc12.i686.PAE)
However an older version (Model: Huawei EC1260) works on the same kernel.
The following are the output of /var/log/messages when the respective
devices are connected
DOES NOT WORK (Newe
USB-MODEM from Huawei (Model: Huawei EC1261 ) does not work with fedora-12
(kernel 2.6.32.11-.fc12.i686.PAE)
However an older version (Model: Huawei EC1260) works on the same kernel.
The following are the output of /var/log/messages when the respective
devices are connected
DOES NOT WORK (Newe
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
>
> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
> reason to keep gtk+.
> Upstream did not do any updates recently, but that doesn't mean that
> the software is
2010/5/10 Patrice Dumas
> For the applications I know some comments
> * I am quite sure that gmanedit is not a manedit evolution. However,
> manedit
> is orphaned right now (though still not purged).
> * xdialog is build twice, once agains gtk+ and then against Gtk2. I think
> it would be nice
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>>
>> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
>>
>> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
>> reason to keep gtk+.
>> Upstream did not do any
On Sun, 2010-05-09 at 15:27 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> If you think we should vote, go join debian. I think
> they do that there.
First, I never said we should 'vote'. I talked about community
involvement.
Second, if you are looking at the sure path to drive people away,
sending them to "go joi
On 05/09/2010 10:27 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Bottom line is we should have done what we're doing now long ago, so we're
> suffering the consequences as a result. Lots of people with conflicting
> views are now here. Our lack of focus has just hurt us.
>
> Have you used OSX lately?
Have you eve
Hello!
Not sure that people are still unaware of that issue, but, anyway,
here is my problem: I added RSS-filter to my blog, to properly sort
out off-topic or unappropriate content from my diary and make it
suitable for inclusion into Fedoraplanet, and listed address of new
filtered RSS at my ~/.p
2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
> >>
> >> >> swami-0:0.9.4-6.fc12.x86_64
> >>
> >> This is the *only* soundfont editor there is in Linux, which is enough
> >>
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Chen Lei wrote:
>
>
> 2010/5/10 Orcan Ogetbil
>>
>> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Chen Lei wrote:
>> >
>> > swami(svn) now use gtk2, don't worry about this, it has a quite active
>> > upstream.
>> >
>>
>> I wonder where you got that information. The gtk2 port was
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 02:09 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> Anyway, do we have a Fedora policy to remove software just because
> they are old and unmaintained upstream? If there is a happy userbase
> and a maintainer willing to take care of the package, what is the big
> deal?
I still use an old net
On 05/10/2010 01:23 AM, Léon Keijser wrote:
> I still use an old nethack-like game that unfortunately depends on gtk
> 1.2. Since i'll never be able to get it into Fedora, i just install gtk
> myself then i'm good to go again. I would regret it if my favorite
> distro drops the package simply beca
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 01:31 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> You should be pressuring the author of the game you use to use GTK 2.0.
> If your game is no longer maintained, then you should update it yourself.
The game isn't maintained anymore, indeed. But unfortunately i'm not a C
programmer.
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