Who broke opencv ? (was Re: Broken dependencies with Fedora 12 + updates-testing - 2010-03-01)

2010-03-02 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
Why opencv has experienced broken dependency at first step ? I've miss the required announcement, and even if it was announced, it would have be stroken by a denial from my side! That kind of development is unappropriate in a stable release. Nicolas (kwizart) 2010/3/1 Haïkel Guémar > I submitt

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > They can't expect anything currently either. We have no project-wide > commitment to what kind of updates we will ship. Some maintainers ship > version updates, some don't. There's already no consistency; this > wouldn't make things any worse. I'd argue it would, because h

Re:Re: Help needed: patching EMBOSS to use system pcre, expat and zlib

2010-03-02 Thread Chen Lei
I'll take a look of those patches day^_^ 在2010-02-27?08:00:50,"Julian?Sikorski"??写道: >Hi?Chen, > >I?tried?having?a?look,?but?I'm?not?sure?how?to?check?that?exactly.?I >tried?diffing?the?sources?against?the?upstream?source,?but?it's?hard?for >me?to?tell?anything.?The?diffs?are?attached. >In?case?

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > They can't expect anything currently either. We have no project-wide > commitment to what kind of updates we will ship. Some maintainers ship > version updates, some don't. There's already no consistency; this > wouldn't make things any worse. I'd argue it would, because h

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: > You can put free text in a bodhi comment without giving positive or > negative karma. Seems we already have what you want to replace it with. But his point (which I agree with, FWIW) is that those arbitrary numbers are meaningless and thus it makes no sense to count them.

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Doug Ledford wrote: > > One could argue that the current bodhi karma system is simply too > simplistic for real use cases. Maybe instead of just +1 -1, there > should be: > > Fixes my problem > Works for me (someone testing that didn't necessarily have any of the > problem supp

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Björn Persson wrote: > That sounds really good, although I would call the second one "still works > for me" to emphasize that it's for people for whom the previous release > also worked. Right. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Doug Ledford wrote: > Fixes my problem > Works for me (someone testing that didn't necessarily have any of the > problem supposedly fixed by this update just noting that their system > still works ok with the update) > Doesn't fix my problem (but doesn't necessarily imply it's any worse > than befo

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > * Has ABI/API change (and is a Critical Path package) Wrong criterion, sorry. "Has ABI/API change and fails to include rebuilds of the affected packages" should be the criterion, critical path or not is irrelevant. But this is basically covered by "causes broken deps

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Doug Ledford wrote: >> Fixes my problem >> Works for me (someone testing that didn't necessarily have any of the >> problem supposedly fixed by this update just noting that their system >> still works ok with the update) >> Doesn't fix my problem (but does

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Antill wrote: > So I did my proposal, which I think will motivate packagers to do the > right thing (giving lots of choice to the users and a reasonable number > of packages to test) and not removing the ability of packagers to do > what they want (and have the stable firehose): > > https:/

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Jones wrote: > This is the plan that already isn't working. Is it really "not working"? Or are we overblowing a minor incident which didn't even cause all that much trouble and trying to swallow a cure which is worse than the disease? I think it's really the latter. Kevin Kofler

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Jones wrote: > When you're at the circus watching the clown ride a bicycle across a > high-wire, he's got a safety net. It's not because the circus thinks he's > an incompetent high-wire cyclist - it's because people occasionally make > mistakes, and the circus would rather have him around to

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: > We do pushes daily, No we don't. There are usually no pushes on weekends. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Antill wrote: > It's still not really usable by normal users, but people on this list > can install "yum-plugin-local" ... which will make sure you can do > downgrades like this. Isn't keepcache=yes sufficient? IMHO that should really be the default, I really don't understand why we defaul

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Jackson wrote: > If it's ready on Tuesday afternoon, what makes you think anyone's going > to have time to read it thoroughly enough to be able to vote on it? Are > you implying you're the only one on fesco that actually considers the > proposal they're asked to vote on? Considering that thi

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Jones wrote: > Other corner cases where your case was wrong include new packages that > Obsolete existing packages. Nonsense. I wrote "new package which doesn't replace anything". Obsoletes = replacing. >> Even if you fix all the fixable problems, testing will still not be a >> silver bull

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: > Isn't keepcache=yes sufficient? Sorry, I mean keepcache=1. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Thrashing between updates-testing and updates

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: > That's going to be pretty difficult to do with the way our push and sync > scripts work. > > At most an update that is going from testing to stable should disappear > for only a few hours, that would be between the updates-testing push of > the day an the subsequent branched

Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2010-03-02 Thread Henrique Castro
LinkedIn Henrique Castro requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Marco, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Henrique Accept invitation from Henrique Castro http://www.linkedin.com/e/XfpwrrIudepdoTBH97AF96

Re: OT: fas-username vs. local username for fedora-cvs

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Till Maas wrote: > Which files do you mean here? Afaik, cvs needs to know the CVSROOT and > when I joined as a package maintainer, the wiki suggested to export the > CVSROOT variable in .bashrc. It would be this one for you: > export CVSROOT=:ext:tannhau...@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/pkgs > > But

Re: Thrashing between updates-testing and updates

2010-03-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 12:26:35 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > We could have the branched compose compose from dist-f13 + dist-f13-updates > and move everything which was part of its compose from dist-f13-updates to > dist-f13 on completion. That way dist-f13-updates would only contain the

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > It's still not really usable by normal users, but people on this list > > can install "yum-plugin-local" ... which will make sure you can do > > downgrades like this. > > Isn't keepcache=yes sufficient? IMHO that sho

rawhide report: 20100302 changes

2010-03-02 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Mar 2 08:15:16 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- R-hdf5-1.6.9-6.fc13.i686 requires hdf5 = 0:1.8.4 blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 easystroke-0.5.2-1.fc13.i686 requires libboo

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 09:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I didn't bring up the "fun" argument. My point is that banning direct stable > pushes prevents us from fixing things for our users ASAP when needed. This > is all part of duty, not fun. And it prevents us from breaking things, with no war

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > > * Has ABI/API change (and is a Critical Path package) > > Wrong criterion, sorry. "Has ABI/API change and fails to include rebuilds of > the affected packages" should be the criterion, critical path or not is > irrelevant. Bu

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 10:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > James Antill wrote: > > So I did my proposal, which I think will motivate packagers to do the > > right thing (giving lots of choice to the users and a reasonable number > > of packages to test) and not removing the ability of packagers to d

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:06 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Jones wrote: > > This is the plan that already isn't working. > > Is it really "not working"? Or are we overblowing a minor incident which > didn't even cause all that much trouble and trying to swallow a cure which > is worse than t

File Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.78.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by corsepiu

2010-03-02 Thread corsepiu
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon: a880a00f4d10038498d6e0940476e69b Locale-Maketext-Lexicon-0.78.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/devel .cvsignore, 1.15, 1.16 perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec, 1.26, 1.27 sources, 1.15, 1.16

2010-03-02 Thread corsepiu
Author: corsepiu Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6373/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Mar 02 2010 Ralf Corsépius - 0.78-1 - Upstream update.

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2010-03-02 Thread corsepiu
Author: corsepiu Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6373/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Locale-Maketext-Lexicon.spec sources Log Message: * Tue Mar 02 2010 Ralf Corsépius - 0.78-1 - Upstream update. In

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KDE-SIG meeting report (09/2010)

2010-03-02 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. -- = Weekly KDE Summary

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
James Antill writes: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Lifecycle_Proposals#Choice_.28james.29 Regarding this, I don't understand this part: > The idea behind this proposal is that a Fedora user installing a > release N has a lot of choice if they wish to get newer packages: > > * The

Re: KDE-SIG meeting report (09/2010)

2010-03-02 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
+ missing bug ;-) Wacom tablet does not work in Qt * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569132 * wacom driver interface changed and broke Qt implementation * than (with jreznik's help) is going to work on it o LukasT offered his tablet to test it, KDE SIG lacks devi

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Panu Matilainen writes: > [...] > Oh yes. Even just a big red REGRESSION button that stops the update from > automatically entering stable no matter what the karma votes happen to be > would be a definite improvement. [...] Just for completeness, please let's be cautious about giving knobs to

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 10:57 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > James Antill writes: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Lifecycle_Proposals#Choice_.28james.29 > > Regarding this, I don't understand this part: > > > The idea behind this proposal is that a Fedora user installing a > > rele

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 09:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Yet, in practice, I still think a lot > >> more stuff gets backported in our updates repository than in those > >> backports repositories of other distros. > > > > Probably true (though in the case of Mandriva, maybe less than you'd > >

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 10:57 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Doesn't "just not running random/unrestricted yum update" exactly > encode that option? If you're happy to live with unsecure software, certainly =) you can try and cherry-pick security updates, but then you get the problem where initi

[Bug 520401] perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.023 is available

2010-03-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520401 Marcela Mašláňová changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 513596] perl-DBD-CSV-0.2002 is available

2010-03-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513596 Marcela Mašláňová changed: What|Removed |Added -

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
James Antill writes: >> > [...] >> > ...but they have almost no options if they are happy to stay with >> > the software that they have. >> >> Doesn't "just not running random/unrestricted yum update" exactly >> encode that option? > > No, for two reasons: > > 1. The user is often informed, fr

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Thomas Moschny
2010/3/2 Adam Williamson : > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 10:57 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > >> Doesn't "just not running random/unrestricted yum update" exactly >> encode that option? > > If you're happy to live with unsecure software, certainly =) > > you can try and cherry-pick security updates, bu

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:17 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > No we don't. There are usually no pushes on weekends. That's a fair point, but there are significantly fewer people around to fix critical issues should they arise on a weekend, and after working 5 weekdays, some of us like taking the weeken

Re: Bodhi karma feature request

2010-03-02 Thread Doug Ledford
On 03/02/2010 04:25 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Doug Ledford wrote: >>> Fixes my problem >>> Works for me (someone testing that didn't necessarily have any of the >>> problem supposedly fixed by this update just noting that their system >>> still works

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 11:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > My argument is actually: "It doesn't matter how good our infrastructure for > testing fixes is, it'll still not catch everything. Therefore, some > regressions make it into stable anyway, and we want them to get fixed (in > the stable upda

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > This is the problem with arguing about a proposal that hasn't even been > written yet. You latch onto the one part you assume will be there that > is the most unreasonable, and use that as a tool to bash the entire > concept of the proposal (which hasn

Re: Thrashing between updates-testing and updates

2010-03-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 06:59 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > probably could save some churn if the packages were signed with the > same key. (I am not sure if that is true yet; though my understanding is > that there will eventually be one key used to sign any official builds > coming out of koji.)

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 18:08 +0100, Thomas Moschny wrote: > > you can try and cherry-pick security updates, but then you get the > > problem where initial release has Foobar 1.0, then Foobar 3.5 gets > > shipped in updates, then a security problem emerges and Foobar 3.5-2 > > with the security fix

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 07:46 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > I just disagree with the claim that ALL updates are > susceptible of breaking things. Until such time that every update goes through without any breakage, I'm going to keep on assuming that all updates are susceptible to breaking things, a

tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Dave Jones
So after having heard the nth discussion about tor, I decided to check it out. I tried installing it on a stripped down f12 box that has no X, or other stuff unnecessary for routing network packets. What happened next has me lost for words. Our dependency chains suck. Dave (12:24:07:r...

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:08 -0500, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > James Antill writes: > > >> > [...] > >> > ...but they have almost no options if they are happy to stay with > >> > the software that they have. > >> > >> Doesn't "just not running random/unrestricted yum update" exactly > >> encode th

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /required/ by tor? LSB isn't really good for anything except landing a bunch of cr

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >> --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: >> tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /required/ > by tor? LSB isn't

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >> --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: >> tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /required/ > by tor? LSB isn't really good for anythi

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread David Malcolm
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > So after having heard the nth discussion about tor, I decided to check it out. > I tried installing it on a stripped down f12 box that has no X, or other stuff > unnecessary for routing network packets. > > What happened next has me lost for w

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 12:59:52PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > especially considering what it provides :( > repoquery -ql tor-lsb > /etc/rc.d/init.d/tor > /var/run/tor Check out the post/preun scripts: %post lsb /usr/lib/lsb/install_initd %_initrddir/tor || { cat <&2 oouch

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
y On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, David Malcolm wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >> So after having heard the nth discussion about tor, I decided to check it >> out. >> I tried installing it on a stripped down f12 box that has no X, or other >> stuff >> unnecessary for routing

F-13 Branched report: 20100302 changes

2010-03-02 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Mar 2 09:15:13 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- anaconda-13.32-1.fc13.i686 requires python-urlgrabber >= 0:3.9.1-5 blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires libxerces-c.so.28 doodle-0.6.7-5.fc12.i686 r

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 02 mars 2010 à 09:51 -0800, Jesse Keating a écrit : > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > > tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /required/ >

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:06:25PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > but if it isn't, then tor-upstart requires tor which is going to require > tor-lsb. > yes - that's never going to end well. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569933 -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructio

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Dave Jones
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:51:17AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > > tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /requ

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:51:17AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > > --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > > > tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > > > This is where thing

Upcoming Fedora 13 Tasks

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Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:14 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:51:17AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > > > --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > > > tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > > > T

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > We should make a stand and drop it from Fedora until it's not made up of > > bonghits and failure. (haha, yeah. thanks, here all week, etc) > > I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init scripts > anyway. Don't most of our packages j

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/02/2010 04:23 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: >> * Has ABI/API change (and is a Critical Path package) > > Wrong criterion, sorry. "Has ABI/API change and fails to include rebuilds of > the affected packages" should be the criterion, critical path or not is > irrelevan

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 13:25 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > > We should make a stand and drop it from Fedora until it's not made up of > > > bonghits and failure. (haha, yeah. thanks, here all week, etc) > > > > I'm not quite sure why it needs sepa

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: >>> We should make a stand and drop it from Fedora until it's not made up of >>> bonghits and failure. (haha, yeah. thanks, here all week, etc) >> >> I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Dave Jones
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:43:13PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > >>> We should make a stand and drop it from Fedora until it's not made up of > >>> bonghits and failure. (haha, yeah. thanks, here al

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: > > > I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init scripts > > > anyway. Don't most of our packages just include one initscript with both > > > bits in the headers? > > > > No. A package could have either a SystemV init script or an upstart

rpms/perl-Try-Tiny/F-13 perl-Try-Tiny.spec,1.2,1.3

2010-03-02 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Try-Tiny/F-13 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3369 Modified Files: perl-Try-Tiny.spec Log Message: * Tue Mar 02 2010 Chris Weyl 0.04-1 - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.004 - PERL_INSTALL_ROOT => DESTDIR - updat

rpms/perl-Mouse/F-12 perl-Mouse.spec,1.15,1.16 sources,1.13,1.14

2010-03-02 Thread Chris Weyl
Author: cweyl Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Mouse/F-12 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv3969 Modified Files: perl-Mouse.spec sources Log Message: * Sun Feb 28 2010 Chris Weyl 0.50-1 - update by Fedora::App::MaintainerTools 0.004 - PERL_INSTALL_ROOT => DESTDIR In

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/02/2010 06:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> X11 is particularly dangerous for this kind of changes, given how low it >>> is in the software stack and how some code necessarily looks like >>> (hardware drivers in particular are always scary stuff). The average leaf >>> package is much less prop

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Jesse Keating writes: > On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >> --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: >> tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 > > This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb /required/ > by tor? tor-lsb requires only lsb-co

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Peter Jones
On 03/02/2010 05:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Jones wrote: >> When you're at the circus watching the clown ride a bicycle across a >> high-wire, he's got a safety net. It's not because the circus thinks he's >> an incompetent high-wire cyclist - it's because people occasionally make >> mistak

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Dave Jones writes: > (12:24:07:r...@firewall:~)# yum install tor fwiw; when you can not wait for a fixed redhat-lsb package, do | yum install tor tor-upstart Upstart does not have a good way yet to disable/enable service so you have to edit /etc/init/tor.conf resp. /etc/event.d/tor manually.

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Enrico Scholz wrote: > Jesse Keating writes: > >> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: >>> --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: >>> tor-0.2.1.23-1200.fc12.i686 >> >> This is where things go to hell. Why in the hell is tor-lsb

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Enrico Scholz writes: > | yum install tor tor-upstart should be | yum install tor-core tor-upstart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Adam Williamson writes: > I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init scripts > anyway. All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fsprogs, ethtool,

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Dave Jones
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 08:23:22PM +0100, Enrico Scholz wrote: > Enrico Scholz writes: > > > | yum install tor tor-upstart > > should be > > | yum install tor-core tor-upstart still no good, because tor-upstart requires tor which requires tor-lsb which... Dave -- devel mailin

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 20:31 +0100, Enrico Scholz wrote: > Adam Williamson writes: > > > I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init scripts > > anyway. > > All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. > E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' pack

[Test-Announce] Fedora 13 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting: 2010-03-04 @ 01:00 UTC (2010-03-03 @ 20:00 EST)

2010-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
Join us on irc.freenode.net #fedora-meeting for this important meeting. This is Thursday, March 4, 2010 @ 01:00 UTC, which makes it *WEDNESDAY EVENING* in North America: 20:00 EST, 17:00 PST. "Before each public release Development, QA, and Release Engineering meet to determine if the release cri

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Denis Leroy
On 03/02/2010 07:48 PM, Dave Jones wrote: > The tor package is at least fixable. Over the dead body of the current package maintainer. That's the root of the problem. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Dave Jones writes: > > | yum install tor-core tor-upstart > > still no good, because tor-upstart requires tor which requires tor-lsb > which... thx for noticing this; this requirement is broken and has been fixed now. I did not noticed it myself because I use yet another instance of 'init(tor)

Meeting Summary/minutes for the 2010-03-02 FESCo meeting

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-03-02) === Meeting started by nirik at 20:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-02/fesco.2010-03-02-20.00.log.html Meeting summary -

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Enrico Scholz (enrico.sch...@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de) said: > > I'm not quite sure why it needs separate lsb/upstart init scripts > > anyway. > > All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. > E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then > tor would s

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: > > All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. > > E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then > > tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fsprogs, ethtool, mount, ... > > although it does not log anything,

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Bill Nottingham writes: >> E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, >> then tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fsprogs, ethtool, >> mount, ... although it does not log anything, does not extract/pack >> anything, does not format a filesystem, does not configure

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Eric Sandeen
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: >>> All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. >>> E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then >>> tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fsprogs, ethtool, mount, ... >>> although

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Eric Sandeen (sand...@redhat.com) said: > I'm guessing e2fsprogs may have been sucked in due to the various tools it > has (had) in its junkbox. Lots of those which are not ext2-specific (blkid > for example) have been split out or moved to util-linux-ng. Sort of. ... * Mon Oct 05 1998 Cristian

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Enrico Scholz (enrico.sch...@informatik.tu-chemnitz.de) said: >> All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. >> E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then >> tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fspro

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Matt Domsch
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 02:21:55PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Enrico Scholz wrote: > > > Jesse Keating writes: > > > >> On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 12:37 -0500, Dave Jones wrote: > >>> --> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.23-1200.fc12 for package: > >>> tor-0.2.1.23-1200

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Enrico Scholz
Paul Wouters writes: >>> All the initscripts have huge and broken dependency chains. >>> E.g. assuming I would use the vanilla fedora 'initscripts' package, then >>> tor would still require[1] syslog, cpio, e2fsprogs, ethtool, mount, ... >>> although it does not log anything, does not extract/pac

Re: tor dependency insanity.

2010-03-02 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Enrico Scholz wrote: >> It does not log anything because Enrico broke logging in tor package. > > Not that this was the reason, but it is the upstream setup to have > logging disabled. Your comment is unrelated to this discussion because > logging can be done into a file and d

Re: Why online recovery in pgpool is disabled?

2010-03-02 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/2/28 Thomas Spura : > Am Samstag, den 27.02.2010, 22:00 +0100 schrieb Michał Piotrowski: >> W dniu 27 lutego 2010 21:51 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski >> napisał: >> > 2010/2/27 Toshio Kuratomi : >> >> Could you please file a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com to make sure trhe >> >> maintainer sees th

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > OK, but then we're not talking about the person who's happy to stay > with the software they have, but about a more typical person who is > not too risk-averse and is willing to consider unsolicited updates. > Those are different dudes. The person who's not willing to do

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Antill wrote: > ...but it has the same "problem". But IMNSHO this isn't a problem, you > are arguing that people specifically hit by problem X can goto the > updates-testing (or whatever it's called) repo. and get a fix for it. > Anyone not affected doesn't have to risk that update breaking

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-02 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Oh, I see. You're inferring a cause where there's no reason to. I didn't > realize that. What other reasons do you consider then? Pure chance? Doesn't look very likely to me. It's much more likely the reason Mandriva provides fewer new versions is because of the split up

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