On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider
> distribution.]
Looks like Thursday at 4pm US/Eastern works best for most people (Everyone
who responded but @pingou and @davdunc — sorry.)
We’ll meet at https://m
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 03:43:34PM +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> - Create an account with some Matrix server, and join my favorite Fedora
> channels from there?
> - Or wait until some formal decision is reached and possibly the Fedora
> Matrix server is available?
I don't think it'll matter.
> - Wi
On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 02:49:54AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> As I understand it, the Matrix-IRC bridge is "bidirectional" in the sense
> that it relays messages both ways, but not in the sense that an IRC user
> would be able to connect to an arbitrary Matrix channel with an IRC clie
On Mon, 2020-11-30 at 10:45 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 8:17 am, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > - Will there be any advantage in using the Fedora server over
> > > others?
> >
> > Not really I wouldn't think. Other I suppose than identifying you as a
> > Fedora community
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 8:17 am, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
- Will there be any advantage in using the Fedora server over
others?
Not really I wouldn't think. Other I suppose than identifying you as a
Fedora community member.
No, there is a big advantage to using a Fedora server. matrix.org is
rep
On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 03:43:34PM +0100, Kamil Paral wrote:
> As someone who hates IRC with passion (including the necessity of
> maintaining a znc instance and dealing with IRC authentication and network
> issues from time to time) and would love to jump to a more modern solution
> ASAP, what is
As someone who hates IRC with passion (including the necessity of
maintaining a znc instance and dealing with IRC authentication and network
issues from time to time) and would love to jump to a more modern solution
ASAP, what is the best course of action for me now?
- Create an account with some
Adam Williamson wrote:
> The problem is that bridging to existing IRC channels severely dilutes
> one of the main appeals of Matrix - being more welcoming to new users
> familiar with modern chat system norms.
Maybe the way to make everyone happy would be to bridge the other way round,
i.e., an I
On 11/27/20 5:49 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
As I understand it, the Matrix-IRC bridge is "bidirectional" in the sense
that it relays messages both ways, but not in the sense that an IRC user
would be able to connect to an arbitrary Matrix channel with an IRC client
the way it allows a Matr
Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> False. The bridges are bidirectional.
As I understand it, the Matrix-IRC bridge is "bidirectional" in the sense
that it relays messages both ways, but not in the sense that an IRC user
would be able to connect to an arbitrary Matrix channel with an IRC client
the way it
On Fri, 2020-11-27 at 13:53 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>
> Considering that Matrix can bridge to IRC channels and not the opposite, I
> also think that moving to native Matrix mainly just degrades
> interoperatibility.
The problem is that bridging to existing IRC channels severely dil
On 11/27/20 4:53 AM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Considering that Matrix can bridge to IRC channels and not the opposite, I
also think that moving to native Matrix mainly just degrades
interoperatibility.
False. The bridges are bidirectional.
--
Erich Eickmeyer
Maintainer
Fedora Jam
_
Matthew Miller wrote:
> As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to
> Matrix. And as part of that, we're considering a hosted Element server --
> which obviously could go quite beyond just #fedora-council. Neal suggested
> a video meeting to talk with interested people a
Can we all stop talking about Discord?
The Council is trying to update their communications platforms and the
options were clearly stated:
- Discourse (not Discord, please notice the difference in their names)
replacing ML
- Matrix replacing IRC.
In both cases the Council is looking to keep all
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 6:59 PM Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Sat, 2020-11-21 at 12:01 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 20.11.2020 19:52, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> > > Discord is in fact an amazing chat platform for the end user that
> > > doesn't have a peer out there.
> >
> > 1. Prop
On Sat, 2020-11-21 at 12:01 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 20.11.2020 19:52, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> > Discord is in fact an amazing chat platform for the end user that
> > doesn't have a peer out there.
>
> 1. Proprietary software. The open source community should not use
> propr
On 20.11.2020 20:17, Jared K. Smith wrote:
As I recall, it puts a small "(edited)" notice at the end of the line to
let you know that it was edited.
Yes. And if you click on it, you will see the complete difference.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
___
On 20.11.2020 19:52, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
IMHO editing is fine, as long as it notes it was edited and provides you
a way to see what was changed. I have no idea how the matrix editing
works however.
In the Matrix, you can see the complete differences for each edited message.
--
Sincerely,
Vita
On 20.11.2020 19:52, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
Discord is in fact an amazing chat platform for the end user that
doesn't have a peer out there.
1. Proprietary software. The open source community should not use
proprietary software as the official chat source.
2. Discord has the worst ToS[1] I'v
On 19/11/2020 19:17, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/11/2020 18:55, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> Rich, IRC
On Friday, November 20, 2020 11:52:46 AM MST Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:03 PM John M. Harris Jr
>
> wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:17:15 AM MST Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > The move to having our own Matrix server is being driven by Fedora
> > > subcommunities al
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 2:00 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> IMHO editing is fine, as long as it notes it was edited and provides you
> a way to see what was changed. I have no idea how the matrix editing
> works however.
>
As I recall, it puts a small "(edited)" notice at the end of the line to
let you
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:27:08AM +0100, Marius Schwarz wrote:
> > Am 19.11.20 um 21:13 schrieb José Abílio Matos:
> > >
> > > On Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:54:52 PM WET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm not sure that message edit
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:03 PM John M. Harris Jr
wrote:
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:17:15 AM MST Neal Gompa wrote:
> > The move to having our own Matrix server is being driven by Fedora
> > subcommunities already wanting to move primacy from IRC to Matrix.
> > Many of our adjunct upstrea
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:27:08AM +0100, Marius Schwarz wrote:
> Am 19.11.20 um 21:13 schrieb José Abílio Matos:
> >
> > On Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:54:52 PM WET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure that message editing is a feature.
> >
> >
> > In fairness as long as the grac
On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 09:14 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 08:32 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 23:14 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:06:46AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > No, you don't. I've
On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 08:32 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 23:14 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:06:46AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> > wrote:
> > > > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of
> > > > > registration
On 20.11.2020 17:59, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
Given that the use of proprietary
software, where a superior Free alternative exists, is against the Four
Foundations, it's questionable that they'd be Discord users.
Discord also has the worst terms of service I've ever seen.
--
Sincerely,
Vital
On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 11:19 +0100, Marius Schwarz wrote:
> Am 19.11.20 um 23:42 schrieb Adam Williamson:
> > The chat history persistence - and seamless use across devices - is a
> > huge advantage. The other advantage is that you can sign up for and use
> > this system simply and entirely in a web
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:17:15 AM MST Neal Gompa wrote:
> The move to having our own Matrix server is being driven by Fedora
> subcommunities already wanting to move primacy from IRC to Matrix.
> Many of our adjunct upstreams have done so (Mozilla, KDE, etc.) or are
> in the process of doi
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:34:28 AM MST Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Richard W.M. Jones
>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider
> > > distribution.]
On 20.11.2020 17:18, Matthew Miller wrote:
Yes, I don't see why not. As I understand it, if your server becomes a
source of spam or whatever, we can block it. But I trust that it won't.
Public registration is disabled on it. Only me and my friends can use it.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vi
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:44:32AM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> >In this case for our server, we would use FAS single-sign-on for
> >accounts.
> But this server should support Matrix federation feature. We
> shouldn't force users to use only this server in order to be able to
> particip
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 23:14 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:06:46AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> wrote:
> > > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of
> > > > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me:
> > > > https://app.
On 20.11.2020 10:46, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
How does a server become federated?
You need to open port 8448/tcp and add an SRV DNS record:
_matrix._tcp.example.org. 3600 IN SRV 10 0 8448 example.org.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
Am 19.11.20 um 21:13 schrieb José Abílio Matos:
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:54:52 PM WET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I'm not sure that message editing is a feature.
In fairness as long as the grace period is fixed and small that is not
a bad thing.
E.g it allows you to fix lots of cas
Am 19.11.20 um 23:42 schrieb Adam Williamson:
The chat history persistence - and seamless use across devices - is a
huge advantage. The other advantage is that you can sign up for and use
this system simply and entirely in a web browser, a process people are
comfortable with. It is similar to sys
On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 08:41, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 20.11.2020 02:06, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > I know the difference and yes, you're able to participate without
> > registration in that room.
>
> There are free levels of privacy settings:
> 1. join via invit
On 19.11.2020 23:11, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Enjoy: https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/
I suggest not using purple-matrix as it doesn't support most of the
protocol features such as quotes, replies, message editing, etc. due to
libpurple's internal limitations (immutable history).
On 19.11.2020 23:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
In this case for our server, we would use FAS single-sign-on for
accounts.
But this server should support Matrix federation feature. We shouldn't
force users to use only this server in order to be able to participate
in discussions. I already have my
On 20.11.2020 02:06, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
I know the difference and yes, you're able to participate without
registration in that room.
There are free levels of privacy settings:
1. join via invitation;
2. public group with guests;
3. public room without guests.
Most of rooms k
On 20.11.2020 05:14, Matthew Miller wrote:
When I view this room in a private browser window, I can see the
conversation, but at the bottom, it says "Join the conversation with an
account" and presents "Sign In" / "Sign Up" buttons.
In the room settings, admins can enable or disable guests (use
I'm not going to give a firm recommendation for or against any platform
but I'd like to make two suggestions:
a) why not slow the process down and allow more ideas to come forward?
There is no urgent need to change things in a month or whatever.
This is a reasonable suggestion. Since one can br
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 02:06:46AM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of
> > > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me:
> > > https://app.element.io/#/room/#lounge:privacytools.io
> > You are able to view i
On Friday, 20 November 2020 at 02:01, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> >
> > No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of
> > registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me:
> > https://app.element.io/#/room
Hi
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:56 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
>
> No, you don't. I've just joined a random room without any kind of
> registration. Try it yourself if you don't believe me:
> https://app.element.io/#/room/#lounge:privacytools.io
>
You are able to view it but are you a
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 23:52, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> wrote:
> > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either
> > unregistered or registered, just like on IRC.
>
> No, you have to register.
No, you do
Elliott Sales de Andrade writes:
>> > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a Matrix setup as
>> > compared to using IRC, and a giant pile of upsides, starting with "I no
>> > longer need to dedicate a small portion of my brain to remembering how
>> > my IRC bouncer setup works and m
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:44, Tom Hughes via devel
wrote:
>
> On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept
> > that new things can be actively better.
>
> True.
>
> > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a Ma
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 5:55 PM Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 04:52:56PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either
> > >unregistered or registered, just like on IRC.
> > No, you have to register.
>
> In this ca
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 04:52:56PM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> wrote:
> > Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either
> >unregistered or registered, just like on IRC.
> No, you have to register.
In this case for our server, we would use FAS single-sign-on for
accounts.
--
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37 pm, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
Instead of channels, you have rooms and users can be either
unregistered or registered, just like on IRC.
No, you have to register.
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On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 23:37 +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
> On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 21:46, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> > On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > > I don't know how Matrix works exactly...
> > Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to eleme
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 11:37:05PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> Oh and it's extremely slow compared to IRC.
The federation you mean, or in general? It is true that the free matrix.org
can get overwhelmed; this is one of the reasons for having our own server.
--
Matthew Miller
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 21:46, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > I don't know how Matrix works exactly...
> Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to element.io and check it out.
So I did and it's not that different from IRC from an en
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>http://whenisgood.net/k5brwbd
FWIW so far tomorrow and next week are (not surprisingly given the US
holidays) much less popular than the week of November 30, so let's continue
the discussion here and on the Discourse thread.
htt
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:43 pm, Tom Hughes via devel
wrote:
There's also the fact that unless I can get it to talk to all
the same chat systems I have pidgin talking to I would need to
be running two clients instead of one.
Enjoy: https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/
__
On 11/19/20 12:32 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
I don't know how Matrix works exactly...
Then I suggest educating yourself. Go to element.io and check it out.
If you don't know what it is or how it works, then why chime-in? That
adds nothing to the conversation if you don't know wh
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:47, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 19.11.2020 19:31, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > Just like IRC.
>
> No. If the FreeNode network goes down, all Fedora IRC chats will
> disappear.
Network consists of multiple servers. They'd all have to go dow
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:54:52 PM WET Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I'm not sure that message editing is a feature.
In fairness as long as the grace period is fixed and small that is not a bad
thing.
E.g it allows you to fix lots of cases where you found that the message was
incomplete aft
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 08:00:24PM +, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
> On 19/11/2020 19:49, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > The GNOME-based one is Fractal, which is not available in Fedora as of
> > right now. That said, the Qt based ones are in way better shape than
> > the GNOME one. And QGnomePlatform
On 19/11/2020 19:49, Neal Gompa wrote:
The GNOME-based one is Fractal, which is not available in Fedora as of
right now. That said, the Qt based ones are in way better shape than
the GNOME one. And QGnomePlatform should make them work reasonably
well...
My problem, at least on this hidpi lapto
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 19:43 +, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
>
> No doubt there are others I can try...
https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Fractal
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
http://www.happyassassin.net
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:44 PM Tom Hughes via devel
wrote:
>
> On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept
> > that new things can be actively better.
>
> True.
>
> > I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a
On 19/11/2020 19:25, Adam Williamson wrote:
I mean, I'm an old fogey too, but at *some* point we do have to accept
that new things can be actively better.
True.
I honestly can see exactly zero downsides to using a Matrix setup as
compared to using IRC, and a giant pile of upsides, starting w
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:25, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >
> > My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a
> > network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in the
> > same crappile as
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:55:49PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > No, please. IRC bridges need to be closed to force users to switch
> > to Matrix.
> "force"? You may have said the quiet bit aloud ...
To be clear, V
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a
> network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in the
> same crappile as Social Networks where my logins and engagement are
> measured a
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> wrote:
> > > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, R
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:53:29PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > I too love dinosaurs... but I also work on 4 different computers and two
> > mobile
> > devices every day. Having to literally switch hardware to participate in IRC
> > meetings is pain in the ass for some of our contributors
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 19:28 +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the
> > problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear.
>
> Matrix don't need a central server. Th
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:08:08PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> There's quite a lot wrong here - a video meeting(!) to discuss
> dropping a commonly used and well established channel of
> communication. Well, I guess at least you didn't decide to use the
> proprietary awfulness of Slack.
>
On 19.11.2020 19:31, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
Just like IRC.
No. If the FreeNode network goes down, all Fedora IRC chats will disappear.
In Matrix if one server will stop working, users can easily switch to
another and continue chatting. All messages will be saved.
Also users f
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:32 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
>
> On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:28, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the
> > > problem is solved for
On Thursday, 19 November 2020 at 19:28, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the
> > problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear.
>
> Matrix don't need a central serve
On 19.11.2020 19:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
If we use a central server, only one server needs maintaining, and the
problem is solved for everyone. The benefit seems pretty clear.
Matrix don't need a central server. This is a federated network. All
rooms are hosted on multiple servers.
--
Sin
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> > > > Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> > >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern,
> > >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in m
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:09 PM Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>
>
> On 19/11/2020 18:55, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> >> On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> >>> Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to m
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 17:53 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:34:28PM +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> > Let me start off:
> >
> > What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon
> > chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC?
> >
On 19/11/2020 18:55, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
>> On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
>>> Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern,
>>> "IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my vocabulary
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern,
> >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my vocabulary) platform.
> >Contributors who prefer to stay on IRC
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:46:31PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 19.11.2020 18:08, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> >What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon
> >chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC?
>
> IRC is a legacy protocol with no support for
On 19.11.2020 18:49, Sérgio Basto wrote:
How I install matrix/element in my desktop ?
I suggest you install nheko instead of Element:
sudo dnf install nheko
P.S. Fedora 33 is required for nheko due to an ancient version of Boost
in Fedora 32.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycodin
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:34:28PM +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> Let me start off:
>
> What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon
> chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC?
>
>
> I too love dinosaurs... but I also work on 4 different computers a
On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern,
"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in my vocabulary) platform.
Contributors who prefer to stay on IRC are welcome to do so and won't
really notice any difference.
No, please. IRC bri
On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 18:34 +0100, Radka Gustavsson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Richard W.M. Jones > wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >
> > > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for
> > wider
> >
> > > distribution.]
>
On 19.11.2020 18:08, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
What's the reason why hosting your own server for a fairly uncommon
chat protocol is better than continuing to use IRC?
IRC is a legacy protocol with no support for modern features like
message editing, history, etc.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaits
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider
> > distribution.]
> >
> > As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to
> >
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:22:26PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> [I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider
> distribution.]
>
> As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to
> Matrix. And as part of that, we're considering a hosted Element server
[I posted to the Fedora Council list, but reposting here for wider
distribution.]
As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to
Matrix. And as part of that, we're considering a hosted Element server --
which obviously could go quite beyond just #fedora-council. Neal sugge
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