Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 20:24 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 25.05.11 13:04, Petr Lautrbach (plaut...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:33:50AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > today this update: > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstar

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 05/26/2011 12:44 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/26/2011 03:45 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote: >> Ok, I admit that I should have sent announcement to allow wider awareness. >> >> upstart-1.0 branch is in fact minor update of upstart-0.6.5, it was just >> declared stable. >> >> .override files [1] i

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2011 04:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > It's a feature for system administrators, not for Fedora packages. You'll > have to ask system administrators whether and how they intend to make use of > this. My question, why push these features into an update, when you have no idea whether it is

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/26/2011 03:45 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote: >> Ok, I admit that I should have sent announcement to allow wider >> awareness. >> >> upstart-1.0 branch is in fact minor update of upstart-0.6.5, it was just >> declared stable. >> >> .override files [1] in upstart allows admi

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/26/2011 03:45 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote: > Ok, I admit that I should have sent announcement to allow wider awareness. > > upstart-1.0 branch is in fact minor update of upstart-0.6.5, it was just > declared stable. > > .override files [1] in upstart allows admin to change behaviour of upstart

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 05/25/2011 09:33 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/25/2011 04:34 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote: >> upstart-1.2-2 hasn't changed upstart behavior. It fixes upstream bugs and >> also adds new >> features like new stanzas (manual,debug) and also .override files >> feature adapted from Ubuntu. > > We do

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-26 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 05/25/2011 08:24 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 25.05.11 13:04, Petr Lautrbach (plaut...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:33:50AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> today this update: >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstart-1.2-2.fc14 >>> got pus

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/25/2011 04:34 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote: > upstart-1.2-2 hasn't changed upstart behavior. It fixes upstream bugs and > also adds new > features like new stanzas (manual,debug) and also .override files > feature adapted from Ubuntu. We don't do feature additions like this in a existing releas

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 25.05.11 13:04, Petr Lautrbach (plaut...@redhat.com) wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:33:50AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > today this update: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstart-1.2-2.fc14 > > got pushed to F14. (FWIW, I don't see how this is consistent

Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-25 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:33:50AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hi, > > today this update: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstart-1.2-2.fc14 > got pushed to F14. (FWIW, I don't see how this is consistent with the update > policies, but that's not the matter here.) Hi, upstart-1.x bra

upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

2011-05-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Hi, today this update: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/upstart-1.2-2.fc14 got pushed to F14. (FWIW, I don't see how this is consistent with the update policies, but that's not the matter here.) The result is that systemd in F15 no longer Obsoletes the upstart in F14: https://bugzilla.red