Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 06:28:53AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:19 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > escribió: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from

Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:19 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > escribió: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from a > > split "upstream"/"downstream" model into a single repo in src.fp.o. > > > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-27 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek escribió: > Hi, > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from a > split "upstream"/"downstream" model into a single repo in src.fp.o. > > For previous discussions see > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archiv

streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-27 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from a split "upstream"/"downstream" model into a single repo in src.fp.o. For previous discussions see https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CIKK4WEF5ACVWZ6EWBKNHSKKKCDTV27C/#CIKK4WEF5AC

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-06 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El mar, 05-12-2017 a las 07:31 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek escribió: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 12:49:48PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > > On Fr

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 12:49:48PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-04 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is ti

Re: streamlining fedora-release: decision needed

2017-11-21 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 07:32:09AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 03:44:49PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing > > proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, > > so

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-12 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 03:44:49PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing > proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, > so I'm withdrawing that, but otherwise I didn't see disagreement. > > Updated proposal

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 09:12:33AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tie

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora >> > version and changes slowly, and it also contains

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > > systemd units, which change fairly often (a few

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > systemd units, which change fairly often (a few requests per month). Why not have a separate fedora-presets then? Jus

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 15:23 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > But why? _Any_ package can completely screw up the system with a bad > > scriplet or a dependency. Let's take one step back and consider why a > > package would need special protections: only when there's something > > _tricky_ about the

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, so I'm withdrawing that, but otherwise I didn't see disagreement. Updated proposal: 1. drop "upstream" at https://pagure.io/fedora-release (PR to add an obsoletion no

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 07:51:00PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:45 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:45 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >> wrote: > >>> We have such special protections for t

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >>> We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox >>> (trademarks), >>> and for bo

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 8 November 2017 at 13:50, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zb

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 November 2017 at 13:50, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < >>> zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: >>> >>> >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < >> zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wro

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < > zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > But why? _Any_ package can completely screw up the system with

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 a

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> > wrote: >> > > I propose simplif

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox > > (trademarks), > > and for bootloaders (signing again), and some packages which don't consid

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox > (trademarks), > and for bootloaders (signing again), and some packages which don't consider > the fedora repo the canonical location for sources. > Hold the p

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more > > > contributors:

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >> > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more >> > contributors: >> > >> >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more > > contributors: > > > > 1. Let's drop "upstream" at https://pagure.io/fedora-release and > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Hi fedora-release maintainers and fellow developers, > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > systemd units, which change

streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi fedora-release maintainers and fellow developers, The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for systemd units, which change fairly often (a few requests per month). Currently fedora-release has a fair