Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Matthew Miller
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Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread richard . vickeryrv
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Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 04:39 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 04:16 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/21/2013 04:01 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 05:18 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:35:57 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: Just one minor item: How do you expect people to test f20 fixes at the moment? There is no f20 repo on dl.fedoraproject.org, there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
IMHO, I'd prefer to do f20 as we have planned with the tight schedule, then after the holidays look at the proposals for fedora.next and base Fedora 21 on that. If we do much of the fedora.next setup it's going to require a lot of retooling and setup (just how much we can ask each team after we h

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 15:35:57 +0200 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Just one minor item: > How do you expect people to test f20 fixes at the moment? > > There is no f20 repo on dl.fedoraproject.org, there are no f20 mock > configurations on released Fedora releases in place, mirrormanager > also so do

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Frantisek Kluknavsky
On 08/21/2013 04:16 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/21/2013 04:01 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config problematic? No. fedpkg mockbuild for f20 and mock -

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 04:01 PM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config problematic? No. fedpkg mockbuild for f20 and mock -r fedora-20-XXX are the problem. Ralf -- dev

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Frantisek Kluknavsky
On 08/21/2013 03:35 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: there are no f20 mock configurations on released Fedora releases in place Is fedpkg mock-config problematic? Either vanilla or after editing from baseurl=http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//repos/f20-build/315000/x86_64 to baseurl=http://kojipkgs.f

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/21/2013 03:06 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:37:10 -0400 Josh Boyer wrote: As far as I know, we've done a mass rebuild and we've branched. FESCo has closed the Changes. Beyond that, I don't know what else has actually s

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:37:10 -0400 Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > >> On T

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talke

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Kushal Das wrote: >> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Chris Murphy >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> What are the options? Push 21 back 3 months, and then 8 month instead of

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Chris Murphy > > wrote: > > > >> > >> What are the options? Push 21 back 3 months, and then 8 month instead of 6 > >> month intervals? > > > > May be pushing 21 for whole 6 mont

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> >> What are the options? Push 21 back 3 months, and then 8 month instead of 6 >> month intervals? > > May be pushing 21 for whole 6 months, which will give enough time to > concentrate

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:47:31PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >> I need to update the documentation. But we need to get to the point > >> where the releng side is transparent and just happens. The crazy

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Kushal Das
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > What are the options? Push 21 back 3 months, and then 8 month instead of 6 > month intervals? May be pushing 21 for whole 6 months, which will give enough time to concentrate to the existing issues. Another option can be with keeping same

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > With the branch for F-20 just complete it makes it the perfect time to begin > the change of process for F-21 then so let's keep the discussion going of > what we should be doing now as F-21 is officially open for business... > Otherwise we

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On 21 Aug 2013 08:13, "Dennis Gilmore" wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talked abo

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talke

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-21 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:37:44 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talked about > > > slowing down the crazy train a little bit, probably no

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:09:03PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > Without spinning the wheel of blame -- at Flock, we talked about slowing > > down the crazy train a little bit, probably not for F20 at this point but > > for F21, specifically so we all have a chance to work on those kind of > > thing

Re: slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-20 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:47:31PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> I need to update the documentation. But we need to get to the point >> where the releng side is transparent and just happens. The crazy >> schedules we have had since f18 hav

slowing down the development schedule for a release.

2013-08-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 06:47:31PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > I need to update the documentation. But we need to get to the point > where the releng side is transparent and just happens. The crazy > schedules we have had since f18 have allowed zero time for Release > Engineering and QA to do mu