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> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Kushal Das <kushal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Chris Murphy <li...@colorremedies.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> What are the options? Push 21 back 3 months, and then 8 month instead of 6
> >> month intervals?
> >
> > May be pushing 21 for whole 6 months, which will give enough time to
> > concentrate to the existing issues. Another option can be with keeping
> > same 6months time frame but saying instead of adding 20 new features,
> > we will fix
> > existing issues to have a solid release.
> 
> What exactly do you want to fix? And how do features block you from fixing
> it?
> This is all to hand wavy.
> And you cannot force volunteers to just work on bugfixes for 6 months
> instead of working on new stuff if that's what you mean. (that would
> be pretty pointless anyway).
> 
> The only conclusion I get out of this thread is that releng is
> apparently unable to cope with there tasks while making progress on
> improving stuff (whatever this improvements are).
> So we need more resources (people) working on releng stuff not force
> everyone to just fix bugs for 6 months.

It's not only about releng but QA and other teams - time between F19
and F20 was pretty short. And yes, we're still trying to get into the
pace again after F18 that cost us a lot... But if we really want to
do bigger changes how we produce things, we really need time for it.

For bugfixing - as I said, there's a chance of bigger bundled update
accompanied with QA effort that could serve as a replacement for
regular release (so it could contain a limited set of new stuff too).

Jaroslav

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