Re: fedora release name problem

2013-05-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
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Re: fedora release name problem

2013-05-01 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 14:44 -0400, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > On 03/20/2013 07:23 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:27 +0100, Christof Damian wrote: > >> Fixing them now will benefit all future releases and all the people > >> living in non pure ASCII countries. > > > > ∄ pure

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-30 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qui, 2013-03-28 at 21:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > Of course not, but that's kinda different. In the one case, the long > > slip bought us an entirely rewritten installer. In this case, any > > potential slip buys us...a prettified release name. Gee, willikers, > >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-28 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > Of course not, but that's kinda different. In the one case, the long > slip bought us an entirely rewritten installer. In this case, any > potential slip buys us...a prettified release name. Gee, willikers, > watch me trying to restrain my excitement. In any case, what thi

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-22 Thread Kaleb S. KEITHLEY
On 03/20/2013 07:23 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:27 +0100, Christof Damian wrote: Fixing them now will benefit all future releases and all the people living in non pure ASCII countries. ∄ pure ASCII countries. It is incredibly naĩve to believe otherwise. That should b

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/20/2013 07:23 PM, David Woodhouse wrote: On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:27 +0100, Christof Damian wrote: Fixing them now will benefit all future releases and all the people living in non pure ASCII countries. ∄ pure ASCII countries. It is incredibly naĩve to believe otherwise. It is _Americ

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-21 Thread John . Florian
> From: Bill Nottingham > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > Date: 03/21/2013 09:52 > Subject: Re: fedora release name problem > Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > J. Randall Owens (jrowens.fed...@ghiapet.net) said: > > On 03/19/2013 0

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
J. Randall Owens (jrowens.fed...@ghiapet.net) said: > On 03/19/2013 09:22 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:08:35PM -, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > >> What do you mean, if and when? I can already see the next Release Name > >> page shaping up with > >> > >> "Motörhead'

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-21 Thread J. Randall Owens
On 03/19/2013 09:22 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:08:35PM -, Paul Flo Williams wrote: >> What do you mean, if and when? I can already see the next Release Name >> page shaping up with >> >> "Motörhead's Moshpit is a name with non ASCII alphanumeric characters, >> li

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 March 2013 23:35, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:24 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : >> >> > and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a >> > bit silly. >> >> The perception correct UTF-8 handling

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 23:35 +, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:24 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : > > > > > and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a > > > bit silly. > > > > The perception co

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:24 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : > > > and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a > > bit silly. > > The perception correct UTF-8 handling is a triviality that should be > worked on at some la

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 09:27 +0100, Christof Damian wrote: > Fixing them now will benefit all future releases and all the people > living in non pure ASCII countries. ∄ pure ASCII countries. It is incredibly naĩve to believe otherwise. -- dwmw2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic sign

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 21:28 +0100, eduard.vopicka wrote: > Hello. > > I think it is really time for some authority to decide ASAP, taking into > account that this is now (proposed) alpha blocker bug and the scope of the > overall fix is still unknown. > > I could not resist, sorry. FESCo alrea

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 21:28:49 +0100 "eduard.vopicka" wrote: > Hello. > > I think it is really time for some authority to decide ASAP, taking > into account that this is now (proposed) alpha blocker bug and the > scope of the overall fix is still unknown. > > I could not resist, sorry. "agreed l

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2013-03-20 at 16:26 +, Ian Malone wrote: > On 20 March 2013 15:35, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 03/20/2013 03:59 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > >> > >> On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 14:29 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > > >> hi, state my point of view , my last email just go to Chris Murphy > >>

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 09:41 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2013-03-20 12:54 (GMT+0100) Roberto Ragusa composed: > > > everything in Linux always works perfectly. > > Right, like function keys in MC that mean one thing when running it in a VC > and something else when running it in X or Single, b

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 20 March 2013 15:35, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/20/2013 03:59 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: >> >> On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 14:29 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > >> hi, state my point of view , my last email just go to Chris Murphy >> thing is, we introduce one ö (my keyboard don't have it) is like what

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/20/2013 03:59 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 14:29 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: hi, state my point of view , my last email just go to Chris Murphy thing is, we introduce one ö (my keyboard don't have it) is like what I have to leave with my é of Sérgio and one apostrophe , so

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2013-03-19 at 14:29 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 11:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 14:14 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > From: Adam Williamson > > > > > > > > On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 1

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-03-20 12:54 (GMT+0100) Roberto Ragusa composed: everything in Linux always works perfectly. Right, like function keys in MC that mean one thing when running it in a VC and something else when running it in X or Single, because keyboard layouts aren't consistent among them. -- "The w

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-20 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 03/19/2013 02:38 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> And Fedora switched to UTF-8 by default when exactly (was it even Fedora >> or a RHL decision)? > > Red Hat Linux 8.0: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Linux I still remember how many things were broken in that moment (7.3 was considered the

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 03/18/2013 11:56 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican characters which https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to "Schrodingers Cat" or other name that not have this

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Kai Engert
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 11:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 14:14 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > From: Adam Williamson > > > > > > On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, > > > > wrote: > >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 11:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 14:14 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > From: Adam Williamson > > > > > > On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, > > > > wrote: > >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 14:14 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: Adam Williamson > > > > On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: "Richard W.M. Jones" > >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 03/19/2013 08:08 AM, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> - Original Message - >>> Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: >>> submit a Feature and do proper testing/bug fixing/etc. for a future >>> release (if and when another name with non ASCII alphanumeric >>> chara

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread John . Florian
> From: Adam Williamson > > On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: "Richard W.M. Jones" > > > > > > > > > > An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new rel

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Peter Robinson
On 19 Mar 2013 16:22, "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:08:35PM -, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > >> Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: > > >> submit a Feature and do proper testing/bug fixing/etc. for

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, drago01 said: > How about spending time and energy on fixing the bugs rather then bike > shed over whether we should apply a duct tape or not? The problem is that there are possibly many unknown bugs that could hold up building composes, and it is just about time for composes to

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread drago01
How about spending time and energy on fixing the bugs rather then bike shed over whether we should apply a duct tape or not? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On 19/03/13 08:30 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, mailto:john.flor...@dart.biz>> wrote: > > > From: "Richard W.M. Jones" mailto:rjo...@redhat.com>> > > > > An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new release name > > early on in Rawhide. ie. we would change th

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Thomas Moschny
2013/3/19 Richard W.M. Jones > I'm voting for ☃. What about 😼 ? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:08:35PM -, Paul Flo Williams wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: > >> submit a Feature and do proper testing/bug fixing/etc. for a future > >> release (if and when another name with non ASCII

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > > > > > On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, < john.flor...@dart.biz > wrote: > > > > > From: "Richard W.M. Jones" < rjo...@redhat.com > > > > > > > An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new release > > > name > > > early on in Rawhide. ie. we would change the r

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On 19/03/13 02:22 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On 03/19/13 01:56, Adam Williamson wrote: This bug just *smells* like one of those which will pop up again and again and again causing carnage wherever it shows up. Shouldn't be worse than F18 where we slipped how many weeks? Or was it even months in

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM, David Malcolm wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 23:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On 18/03/13 10:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread David Malcolm
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 23:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 18/03/13 10:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + > >>> Sérgio Basto wrote

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Peter Robinson
On 19 Mar 2013 14:33, wrote: > > > From: "Richard W.M. Jones" > > > > An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new release name > > early on in Rawhide. ie. we would change the release name now to > > whatever F20 is going to be + " (Rawhide)". Wouldn't that give us a > > lot more

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Björn Persson
Kai Engert wrote: > The Fedora release name is part of the code Is it? What is its technical function then? What would break if two releases were to have the same name but different numbers? Are programs supposed to compare release names to determine which release they're looking at? All compariso

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread John . Florian
> From: "Richard W.M. Jones" > > An interesting question is: Why don't we try out the new release name > early on in Rawhide. ie. we would change the release name now to > whatever F20 is going to be + " (Rawhide)". Wouldn't that give us a > lot more time to test and fix? That seems like a gr

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 12:23 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 09:31, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > > I don't object at all to fixing UTF-8 issues, but it seems needlessly > > stressful to force ourselves to do so as a part of release validation, > > with booby traps exploding

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Paul Flo Williams
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - >> Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: >> submit a Feature and do proper testing/bug fixing/etc. for a future >> release (if and when another name with non ASCII alphanumeric >> characters >> is chosen). > > +1! > > Jaroslav What do you m

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: > > I disagree. This particular problem points out a problem that is > > only > > going to become more of a problem as the internationalization of > > software increases. Not everything is ASCII or English, and not > > defen

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, G.Wolfe Woodbury said: > I disagree. This particular problem points out a problem that is only > going to become more of a problem as the internationalization of > software increases. Not everything is ASCII or English, and not > defensively programming for such cases is short-

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Kai Engert wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 23:56 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: >> Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to >> "Schrodingers Cat" or other name that not have this additional >> problem ? > > In my opinion, it makes sense to dist

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 12:20, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 19.3.2013 12:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): > >> On 19 March 2013 11:03, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: >>> > Fixing an apostrophe – no >> >> Umlaut, not apostrophe. > > > Schrödinger*'*s C

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:41, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 12:27, Ian Malone a écrit : >> On 19 March 2013 11:24, Nicolas Mailhot >> wrote: >>> >>> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : >>> and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a bit s

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 19.3.2013 12:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): On 19 March 2013 11:03, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: Fixing an apostrophe – no Umlaut, not apostrophe. Schrödinger*'*s Cat I tried to visualize the apostrophe, but it's not that visible anyway

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Kai Engert
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 23:56 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: > Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to > "Schrodingers Cat" or other name that not have this additional > problem ? In my opinion, it makes sense to distinguish between code and content. When compared with 10-15

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 19 mars 2013 12:27, Ian Malone a écrit : > On 19 March 2013 11:24, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : >> >>> and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a >>> bit silly. >> >> The perception correct UTF-8 handling is a tri

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:24, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : > >> and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a >> bit silly. > > The perception correct UTF-8 handling is a triviality that should be > worked on at some later date is the

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 19 mars 2013 09:27, Christof Damian a écrit : > On 19 March 2013 08:30, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le Mar 19 mars 2013 02:24, Chris Murphy a écrit : >> >>> And is fixing this apostrophe issue going to have some clear benefit >>> anywhere else? >> >> Fixing an apostrophe – no >> Fixing

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 19 mars 2013 11:38, Ian Malone a écrit : > and holding up the release for what is basically a triviality seems a > bit silly. The perception correct UTF-8 handling is a triviality that should be worked on at some later date is the reason we have this breakage now. -- Nicolas Mailhot --

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 11:03, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: > >> > Fixing an apostrophe – no Umlaut, not apostrophe. > >> > Fixing our UTF-8 handling – definitely yes > > The issue here is not only about the Fedora's release name rather than > fix

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 19 mars 2013 09:31, Adam Williamson a écrit : > I don't object at all to fixing UTF-8 issues, but it seems needlessly > stressful to force ourselves to do so as a part of release validation, > with booby traps exploding all around us. It's the kind of thing that > can easily be worked on i

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Marc Deop i Argemí
On Tuesday 19 March 2013 09:27:16 Christof Damian wrote: > > Fixing an apostrophe – no > > Fixing our UTF-8 handling – definitely yes > The issue here is not only about the Fedora's release name rather than fixing our UTF-8 handling. Sounds like an important bug to fix, at least to me > Fixing

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 01:31:30AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 19/03/13 01:04 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > >On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things > >>the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. > >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 March 2013 08:04, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things >> the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. >> > >> If we have to compromise on just papering it over for Alpha,

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 03/19/13 01:56, Adam Williamson wrote: > > This bug just *smells* like one of those which will pop up again > > and > > again and again causing carnage wherever it shows up. > > Shouldn't be worse than F18 where we slipped how many weeks? Or was > it > even month

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
On 03/19/13 01:56, Adam Williamson wrote: > This bug just *smells* like one of those which will pop up again and > again and again causing carnage wherever it shows up. Shouldn't be worse than F18 where we slipped how many weeks? Or was it even months in the end? cheers, Gerd -- devel mailin

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 10:01 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 19.3.2013 04:05, Chris Murphy napsal(a): > > On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Andre Robatino > > wrote: > > > >> If we do, shouldn't there be another vote asking if it's okay to make this > >> change, in light of the possible release delay?

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 19.3.2013 04:05, Chris Murphy napsal(a): On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: If we do, shouldn't there be another vote asking if it's okay to make this change, in light of the possible release delay? Definitely not. There is equivalent that doesn't require apostrophe or uml

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On 18/03/13 10:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + > >>> Sérgio Basto wrote: > >>> > Hi, > For

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On 19/03/13 01:27 AM, Christof Damian wrote: I see it as a good thing, the problems we find are usually real bugs that just haven't been discovered yet. Sure. But it's a question of priorities. "A shortage of bugs to work on" is one the very few problems with which Fedora developers do _not_

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Adam Williamson
On 19/03/13 01:04 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. If we have to compromise on just papering it over for Alpha, I mean, _fine

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Christof Damian
On 19 March 2013 08:30, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 19 mars 2013 02:24, Chris Murphy a écrit : > >> And is fixing this apostrophe issue going to have some clear benefit >> anywhere else? > > Fixing an apostrophe – no > Fixing our UTF-8 handling – definitely yes I expected both of these thin

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 03/19/2013 02:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, look, my point is that sometimes our commitment to 'fixing things > the right way' appears to verge on bloody masochism. > > If we have to compromise on just papering it over for Alpha, I mean, > _fine_. But seriously: sometimes papering it o

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 19 mars 2013 02:24, Chris Murphy a écrit : > And is fixing this apostrophe issue going to have some clear benefit > anywhere else? Fixing an apostrophe – no Fixing our UTF-8 handling – definitely yes -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On 18/03/13 10:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + Sérgio Basto wrote: Hi, For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican ch

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + > > Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican > > > characters which >

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 18, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: > If we do, shouldn't there be another vote asking if it's okay to make this > change, in light of the possible release delay? Definitely not. There is equivalent that doesn't require apostrophe or umlaut (diaeresis) characters. Legal will hav

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: > Sérgio Basto serjux.com> writes: > >> For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican >> characters which >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 >> >> Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinge

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Andre Robatino
Sérgio Basto serjux.com> writes: > For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican > characters which > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 > > Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to > "Schrodingers Cat" or other name that not have th

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 18, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > This bug just *smells* like one of those which will pop up again and > again and again causing carnage wherever it shows up. I think so. I expect we'll find issues with isolinux, grub, livecd-tools, liveusb-creator. It could be hilarious to

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 18:34 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + > Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > Hi, > > For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican > > characters which > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 > > > > Could we conside

Re: fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 23:56:28 + Sérgio Basto wrote: > Hi, > For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican > characters which > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 > > Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to > "Schrodingers Cat" o

fedora release name problem

2013-03-18 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, For the first time, Fedora release name have non-ascii and pelican characters which https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=922433 Could we consider change release name from "Schrödinger's Cat" to "Schrodingers Cat" or other name that not have this additional problem ? Thanks, -- Sér