Hi Adam,
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:39:38 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-06-09 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> > I used preupgrade for the first time and had a similar experience,
> > but nothing one cannot fix...
> >
> > 1. Prepared the preupgrade process (f16->f17)
> > 2. reb
On Sat, 2012-06-09 at 16:11 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> I used preupgrade for the first time and had a similar experience, but
> nothing one cannot fix...
>
> 1. Prepared the preupgrade process (f16->f17)
> 2. reboot and start upgrade
> 3. upgrade gets stuck on some package (IIRC it was somethi
I used preupgrade for the first time and had a similar experience, but
nothing one cannot fix...
1. Prepared the preupgrade process (f16->f17)
2. reboot and start upgrade
3. upgrade gets stuck on some package (IIRC it was something lisp
related). No CPU or HDD usage for about half an hour
4. got i
On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 07:53 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> > Adam Williamson writes:
> >
> >> 3. yum *if you follow the instructions carefully*
> >
> > Those instructions include dracut doing unspecified magic. For other
>
> The magic was quite
On Wed, 2012-06-06 at 12:15 +0200, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Adam Williamson writes:
>
> > 3. yum *if you follow the instructions carefully*
>
> Those instructions include dracut doing unspecified magic. For other
> releases I'd agree with you and do a yum upgrade, but I must admit I
> don't dare t
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Josh Boyer writes:
>
>> The magic was quite specified. You rebuild the initramfs with the
>> convertfs module included, and pass the approriate arguments on boot.
>> There's a wiki page covering exactly that.
>
> Yes, the invokation is speci
On 06/07/2012 10:33 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
Yes, the invokation is specified in detail. There just isn't any
documentation of what it actually does,
I thought what convertfs does was quite clear.
If you need to know the details how it does that, take a look at
/usr/lib/dracut/modules.d/30conve
Josh Boyer writes:
> The magic was quite specified. You rebuild the initramfs with the
> convertfs module included, and pass the approriate arguments on boot.
> There's a wiki page covering exactly that.
Yes, the invokation is specified in detail. There just isn't any
documentation of what it a
On 06/06/2012 12:15 PM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
3. yum *if you follow the instructions carefully*
Those instructions include dracut doing unspecified magic. For other
releases I'd agree with you and do a yum upgrade, but I must admit I
don't dare try this time.
Upgrading with Anaconda causes the
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Benny Amorsen wrote:
> Adam Williamson writes:
>
>> 3. yum *if you follow the instructions carefully*
>
> Those instructions include dracut doing unspecified magic. For other
The magic was quite specified. You rebuild the initramfs with the
convertfs module inclu
Adam Williamson writes:
> 3. yum *if you follow the instructions carefully*
Those instructions include dracut doing unspecified magic. For other
releases I'd agree with you and do a yum upgrade, but I must admit I
don't dare try this time.
Preupgrade is a bit higher priority for this release.
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 10:03:24AM +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> * 3rd attempt:
> >> Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
> >> only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the "Install repo" so
> >> I p
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 09:48:37AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 10:37 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
>
> > I am very disappointed with that, because preupgrade is the official
> > supported way to upgrade Fedora versions
>
> Strictly, no. It's *a* supported way.
>
> Frankly,
On Tue, 2012-06-05 at 16:28 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:32:37PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> > > You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know.
> >
> > Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:32:37PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> > You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know.
>
> Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works
> with
> the live CD images.
You can dd all of the iso's to USB
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 16:58:18 -0400,
Steve Gordon wrote:
I eventually hit it with a hammer and did yum remove '*fc16*', when I reviewed
the resultant transaction there were a handful of fc17 packages also removed as
a result of dependencies but these were easily installed again, pulling
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 22:52 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Given that I was stating my personal opinion on the message we should
> > communicate to the general user population about which upgrade methods
> > are most likely to work with the least tweaking, though, I'm not
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > I also won't install anything that I haven't checked the PGP signature
> > on. That excludes netinst.iso and Preupgrade, and if I use Anaconda I
> > have to be careful to not let it download anything.
>
> The chec
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Given that I was stating my personal opinion on the message we should
> communicate to the general user population about which upgrade methods
> are most likely to work with the least tweaking, though, I'm not sure
> what relevance your personal qualms about buying optical
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 10:03 +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> * 3rd attempt:
> >> Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
> >> only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the "Install repo" so
> >> I presume
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> I also won't install anything that I haven't checked the PGP signature on.
> That excludes netinst.iso and Preupgrade, and if I use Anaconda I have to be
> careful to not let it download anything.
The checksums of the images themselves a
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 19:56 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
> > DVD/netinst upgrades.
>
> I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving
> money
> to the copyright lobby, help
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> * 3rd attempt:
>> Same as options as the 2nd attempt but this time I chose to enable
>> only the F17 remote repositories and I disabled the "Install repo" so
>> I presume all the packages were downloaded from the net. At about 85%
>> of ins
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Jan Synacek wrote:
>> yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop Environment"
>
> This alone unfortunately doesn't do the trick. You will probably have to
>
> yum groupinstall "X Window System"
>
> as well as some drivers for your graphic card to get it working.
>
> I als
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 20:17 +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> * 1st attempt:
> Clean upgrade of Fedora 16 from DVD. I left the PC unattended while
> anaconda was upgrading RPM packages. I returned a couple of hours
> later and found a kernel panic. I was too angry to take note of the
> error. The s
On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 11:00 +0200, Alexander Boström wrote:
> fre 2012-06-01 klockan 09:48 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson:
>
> > Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
> > DVD/netinst upgrades. That path is less complex than preupgrade and
> > involves fewer moving part
On 06/03/12 at 01:34pm, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 01:21:55PM +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> > >> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several time
On Qui, 2012-05-31 at 14:58 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 22:21 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
>
> > I would like to share my experience about upgrading from Fedora 16 to
> > 17 a quiet number of machines.
> >
> > 100% percenteage computer base have putted my hands on, had pro
Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Björn Persson
> wrote:
> > Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> >> You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know.
> >
> > Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works
> > with the live CD images.
>
> Indeed, even
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Björn Persson
wrote:
> Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>> You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know.
>
> Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works with
> the live CD images.
Indeed, even the DVD images. I did this on last
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> You can write .iso image to USB key¹ and boot from it, you know.
Even the installation DVD images? What I've heard is that that only works with
the live CD images.
(The copyright lobby taxes even USB keys in Sweden now, but I have some that I
bought before they started doi
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On 6/3/2012 1:56 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that
>> people do DVD/netinst upgrades.
>
> I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be
> giving money t
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 07:56:48PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
> > DVD/netinst upgrades.
>
> I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving
> money
> to the copyright lobb
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
> DVD/netinst upgrades.
I refuse to buy writable DVDs or CDs, because if I did I would be giving money
to the copyright lobby, helping to finance its campaign for ever-increasing
mass surveillance and
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 01:21:55PM +0200, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> >> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.
> >> This time f16->f17. Used preu
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
>> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.
>> This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
>
> I'd like to share with you my experience about installing Fedo
fre 2012-06-01 klockan 09:48 -0700 skrev Adam Williamson:
> Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
> DVD/netinst upgrades. That path is less complex than preupgrade and
> involves fewer moving parts; it's easier to test and easier to fix and
> more likely, in general
Hi.
On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400, Neal Becker wrote
> 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete
> re-install?
There is a way to recover from (almost) all upgrade messes, although
it has several preconditions.
The first precondition is having a root file system o
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.
> This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
I'd like to share with you my experience about installing Fedora
17/x86_64. It is a real PITA. No doubts about it.
* 1st atte
Il 01/06/2012 18:42, Adam Williamson ha scritto:
> On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 10:37 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
>> 2012/5/31 Adam Williamson
>> > Third bug: after preupgrade finished to download fc17
>> packages, I
>> > rebooted, but grub did not have a “upgrade system” entry. So
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 10:37 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
> 2012/5/31 Adam Williamson
> > Third bug: after preupgrade finished to download fc17
> packages, I
> > rebooted, but grub did not have a “upgrade system” entry. So
> the
> > computer is not upgradable w
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 11:36 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 01.06.2012 11:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt:
> > On 06/01/2012 10:37 AM, Caterpillar wrote:
> >> Please apologize me, but if #820340 was not a showstopper, so which bug
> >> should be a showstopper?
> >
> > The bug
> > * does not cause
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 10:37 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
> I am very disappointed with that, because preupgrade is the official
> supported way to upgrade Fedora versions
Strictly, no. It's *a* supported way.
Frankly, I'd prefer it if we more strongly recommended that people do
DVD/netinst upgrade
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 13:18 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 05/31/2012 10:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 15:08 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> >
> >> But we can, and should, at least try to make our systems tolerant of
> >> failures.
> >> Just because we can't test everythi
Am 01.06.2012 11:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt:
> On 06/01/2012 10:37 AM, Caterpillar wrote:
>> Please apologize me, but if #820340 was not a showstopper, so which bug
>> should be a showstopper?
>
> The bug
> * does not cause data loss
> * is easy to recover from
for you and for me
not for the
On 06/01/2012 01:39 PM, Michael scherer wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:18:23PM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On 05/31/2012 10:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 15:08 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
But we can, and should, at least try to make our systems tolerant of failures.
J
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 01:18:23PM +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 05/31/2012 10:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 15:08 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> >
> >>But we can, and should, at least try to make our systems tolerant of
> >>failures.
> >>Just because we can't test every
On 05/31/2012 10:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 15:08 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
But we can, and should, at least try to make our systems tolerant of failures.
Just because we can't test everything. Defensive programming.
Sure. As someone else said, though, that's an issu
On 06/01/2012 10:37 AM, Caterpillar wrote:
Please apologize me, but if #820340 was not a showstopper, so which bug
should be a showstopper?
The bug
* does not cause data loss
* is easy to recover from
* seems to be fixable with an update
=> Not what I'd call a showstopper.
Michal
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devel m
2012/5/31 Adam Williamson
> > Third bug: after preupgrade finished to download fc17 packages, I
> > rebooted, but grub did not have a “upgrade system” entry. So the
> > computer is not upgradable with preupgrade.
>
> Need more information.
>
> Could it be? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 07:30 +1000, Rob K wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Corey Richardson wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400
> > Neal Becker wrote:
> >
> >> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did
> >> updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 22:21 +0200, Caterpillar wrote:
> I would like to share my experience about upgrading from Fedora 16 to
> 17 a quiet number of machines.
>
> 100% percenteage computer base have putted my hands on, had problems
> during the upgrade from Fedora 16 to 17.
>
> Which problems? F
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Corey Richardson wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
>> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did
>> updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
>>
>
> I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade f
2012/5/31 Adam Williamson
> On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 16:50 -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
> > On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
> > > I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
> > > and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or
> > >
On Thu, 2012-05-31 at 15:08 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> But we can, and should, at least try to make our systems tolerant of
> failures.
> Just because we can't test everything. Defensive programming.
Sure. As someone else said, though, that's an issue in rpm if
anywhere...
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Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 16:50 -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
>> > I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
>> > and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or
>> > don't ca
On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 16:50 -0400, Tom Callaway wrote:
> On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
> > I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
> > and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or
> > don't care. I tried a preupgrade and i
On Ter, 2012-05-29 at 16:42 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> On reboot, I found a huge mess. Duplicate packages (f16/f17) all
> over.
you have from yum-utils
package-cleanup --dupes
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Guide/ch07s03.html
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Neal Becker wrote:
I did try distro-sync, but it looked like there would be a lot of
issues, so I abandoned that idea.
I'd expect that if distro-sync has a lot of issues, preupgrade and
Anaconda are likely to as well. None of these do any magic.
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On 05/29/2012 04:42 PM, Neal Becker wrote:
Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.
This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
It seems to have all gone wrong when cpio failed, because a python package had
been installed using pip into the (default) system dirs. Th
Tom Callaway wrote:
> On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
>> I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
>> and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or
>> don't care. I tried a preupgrade and it half-succeeded, I had to fix
>> the
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400
> Neal Becker wrote:
>
> ...snip...
>
>>
>> 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete
>> re-install?
>
> Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and
> work through any dep issues that sh
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> From: "Przemek Klosowski"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:58:35 PM
> Subject: Re: another upgrade, another disaster
>
> On 05/29/2012 04:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
On 05/29/2012 04:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete
re-install?
Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and
work through any dep issues that show up.
I think they changed it to 'yum distribution-sychronizatio
- Original Message -
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> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:42:30 PM
> Subject: another upgrade, another disaster
>
> [SNIP]
> On reboot, I found a huge mess. Duplicate packages (f16/f17) all
> over
On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400
Neal Becker wrote:
...snip...
>
> 1) Could I have actually recovered from this mess without a complete
> re-install?
Sure. Confirm the correct repos were enabled, 'yum distro-sync' and
work through any dep issues that show up.
> 2) Can't we make the install
On 05/29/2012 04:46 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
> I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
> and I've heard the developers either never hear about it, ignore it, or
> don't care. I tried a preupgrade and it half-succeeded, I had to fix
> the initramfs and a few other
On Tue, 29 May 2012 16:42:30 -0400
Neal Becker wrote:
> Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did
> updates. This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
>
I've heard nothing but bad things about preupgrade from lots of people,
and I've heard the developers either never hear
Basically the same kind of failure as the last several times I did updates.
This time f16->f17. Used preupgrade.
It seems to have all gone wrong when cpio failed, because a python package had
been installed using pip into the (default) system dirs. The conflict IIRC
happens because pip insta
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