Hello Chris,
Thanks for bringing this topic and sorry for the late reply.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:20 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> This is not a formal proposal, this is for discussion and identifying
> liabilities. This email has an x86 GRUB bias only because that's the
> bootloader reg
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:24 AM Richard Shaw wrote:
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> I don't have the technical expertise in this area to comment on the details
> of the implementation, but from a dumb user point of view, could there be a
> simple or no-payload package that says "Fedora owns the bootloader" that's
> instal
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:05 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
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> Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 18:49 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> > I think that's completely out of scope. It's inappropriate to wait 10
> > months let alone 10 years to resolve this problem. And it's an overly
> > complicated s
I don't have the technical expertise in this area to comment on the details
of the implementation, but from a dumb user point of view, could there be a
simple or no-payload package that says "Fedora owns the bootloader" that's
installed by default and power users that wish to maintain it themselves
Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 18:49 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 1:19 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
> wrote:
> > Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 12:26 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> > > Yep, small problem. And I'm not even sure how a 'grub2-install'
> > > on
> > > BIOS systems would
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 1:19 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
wrote:
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> Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 12:26 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> > Yep, small problem. And I'm not even sure how a 'grub2-install' on
> > BIOS systems would be initiated only at major upgrade time. But even
> > Fedora Rawhide does cha
Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 09:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 09:18 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
> > That's, easy,
> >
> > 1. add a generic bootctl install command that knows the different
> > variants of bootloader used in Fedora, how to install them, how to
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 09:18 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote:
> That's, easy,
>
> 1. add a generic bootctl install command that knows the different
> variants of bootloader used in Fedora, how to install them, how to
> identify which variant is appropriate for a system (make grub and other
>
Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 12:26 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit :
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:06 AM Bruno Wolff III
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600,
> > Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the
> > > bootloader
> > > being up to date, by u
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:06 AM Bruno Wolff III wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600,
> Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> >Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the bootloader
> >being up to date, by updating it during major version upgrades. This
> >is already the case on U
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600,
Chris Murphy wrote:
Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the bootloader
being up to date, by updating it during major version upgrades. This
is already the case on UEFI with conventional installations. I'd like
to make sure it always happ
Hi,
This is not a formal proposal, this is for discussion and identifying
liabilities. This email has an x86 GRUB bias only because that's the
bootloader regime I'm most familiar with. I think it should apply to
other archs as well, i.e. their bootloaders shouldn't be permitted to
become stale.
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