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On 11/25/2015 07:00 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> I think in my ideal world, we would have Cockpit become capable
>> of interacting with PackageKit so that it could install whatever
>> portions of the system the admin wanted to manage on demand,
>> rath
> I think in my ideal world, we would have Cockpit become capable of
> interacting with PackageKit so that it could install whatever portions
> of the system the admin wanted to manage on demand, rather than ahead
> of time.
Why not dnf API?
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> > b'plymouth-scripts': 121
> > b'plymouth': 121
> This really does not need to be on minimal installation.
I agree, also it looks like in CentOS 7 minimal install there are also
some bootloader-related images in /usr/share/backgrounds/* which are
also pretty big. I assume the same for fedora.
L
> What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all
> comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space.
Can you share the script please, I am interested (also kinda embedded
space I work on).
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 09:16:53AM +, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 19/11/15 09:11, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> >Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> >>2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my
> >>system. It
> >> would be nice to trim this down too. Afa
On 19/11/15 09:11, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my
system. It
would be nice to trim this down too. Afaics, #156477 or the glibc
subpackaging proposal will not help here at all
Am 19.11.2015 um 01:46 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
2. What about non-glibc stuff? /usr/share/locale/ is 800MB on my system. It
would be nice to trim this down too. Afaics, #156477 or the glibc
subpackaging proposal will not help here at all
800 MB?
on my desktop it's 459 MB
on
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:15:58PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 02:01:56PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > Is there any progress on
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging
>
> I think it's this BZ:
>
> https://bugzilla.redha
> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes:
JLT> On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my
JLT> kickstart file) I have:
JLT> NetworkManager-glib-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64
JLT> NetworkManager-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64
JLT> NetworkManager-libnm-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64
JLT> NetworkManager-config
On 17/11/15 17:03, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> On 17/11/15 01:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.)
>>
>> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way
>> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on th
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 02:01:56PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Is there any progress on
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging
I think it's this BZ:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=156477
in which case it looks like it's done (I didn't test
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On 11/18/2015 01:43 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:32 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
>>> "DW" == Dan Williams writes:
>>
>> DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not
>> that many DW> other things require
On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:32 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > > > > > "DW" == Dan Williams writes:
>
> DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not that
> many
> DW> other things require newt, and nmcli is always going to be there
> DW> anyway.
>
> For some reason I thought
> "DW" == Dan Williams writes:
DW> I suppose NM-tui could be pulled out of Server since not that many
DW> other things require newt, and nmcli is always going to be there
DW> anyway.
For some reason I thought NM-tui _was_ nmcli. There's no reason to have
anything other than the command line
On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 17:36 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > > > > > "DW" == Dan Williams writes:
>
> DW> Could you confirm what NetworkManager-* packages are installed on
> DW> F23 server?
>
> On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my
> kickstart file) I have:
>
>
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>> > b'dnf-plugins-core': 117
>> Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it.
>
> Since protected_packages is part of this, I don't agree. Sure, it's
> techn
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:30:54PM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> > b'dnf-plugins-core': 117
> Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it.
Since protected_packages is part of this, I don't agree. Sure, it's
technically removable, but if someone starts from minimal and builds
up
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 17.11.2015 v 02:39 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
>> b'dnf-plugins-core': 117
> Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it.
>
>> b'plymouth-scripts': 121
>> b'plymouth': 121
> This really does not need to be on minimal
Dne 17.11.2015 v 02:39 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
> b'dnf-plugins-core': 117
Nice to have, however Minimal installation can live without it.
> b'plymouth-scripts': 121
> b'plymouth': 121
This really does not need to be on minimal installation.
And you can save a lot of data if you purge locale
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On 11/17/2015 06:17 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> b'NetworkManager': 138
>
> NM does have a larger dep-chain than we'd like, however we did
> split the package apart a couple releases ago and
Dne 17.11.2015 v 11:00 Stef Walter napsal(a):
> On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.)
>>
>> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way
>> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also availab
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> 1) Reduce disk space usage. While disk space on physical devices is
> becoming trivially cheap, disk space on Cloud deployments and rented
> virtual servers is still comparatively very expensive. We really want
> to minimize the a
> "DW" == Dan Williams writes:
DW> Could you confirm what NetworkManager-* packages are installed on
DW> F23 server?
On my custom install (which just lists the packages I need in my
kickstart file) I have:
NetworkManager-glib-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64
NetworkManager-1.0.6-8.fc22.x86_64
NetworkMan
On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> b'NetworkManager': 138
NM does have a larger dep-chain than we'd like, however we did split
the package apart a couple releases ago and made sure that WWAN, WiFi,
and Bluetooth were no longer required for the server cases. Could you
co
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:09:50PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote:
> > > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the
> > > system is a virtual machine,
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On 11/17/2015 05:00 AM, Stef Walter wrote:
> On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the
>> Reply-To.)
>>
>> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install
>> is Way T
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On 11/17/2015 03:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote:
>>> Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether
>>> the syst
On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 11:14 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote:
> > Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the
> > system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation
> > the _appropriate_ guest ag
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48:08AM +, Michael Hampton wrote:
> Along those lines, I would like to see Anaconda detect whether the
> system is a virtual machine, and automatically select for installation
> the _appropriate_ guest agents for the detected hypervisor, rather
> than _all_ of them, b
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On 11/17/2015 11:16 AM, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
>> 10 Longest dependency chains b'abrt-addon-python3':
>> 170 b'abrt-retrace-client': 171 b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171
>> b'abrt-ad
On 17/11/15 01:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.)
>
> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way
> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora
> Server install media) is also Too
On Mon, 2015-11-16 at 20:39 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> 10 Longest dependency chains
> b'abrt-addon-python3': 170
> b'abrt-retrace-client': 171
> b'abrt-addon-pstoreoops': 171
> b'abrt-addon-ccpp': 183
> b'abrt-addon-vmcore': 190
> b'rolekit': 196
> b'abrt-cli': 214
> b'cockpit': 2
On Nov 17, 2015 01:25, "Martijn Ras" wrote:
>
> What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all
comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space.
>
> I know, this strips copyright headers.
>
> Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two, by moving the comments t
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 08:39:24PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Largest 10 packages
> 14288083: coreutils
> 14486819: glibc
> 18024040: kernel-modules
> 27253403: systemd
I've been working on making systemd packaging slightly more modular:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/syst
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On 11/16/2015 08:39 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> With these two goals in mind, the most obvious approach to improving
> this situation would be by reducing the number of packages installed
> by default on the Minimal and Fedora Server installs. As
On 17.11.2015 02:39, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> (Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.)
>
> To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way
> Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora
> Server install media) is also To
What i've been doing on a number of small devices lately is strip all
comments from all files, which frees up a lot of disk space.
I know, this strips copyright headers.
Maybe the minimal packages can be split in two, by moving the comments to a
separate package?
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(Please keep responses on the devel@ list; I've set it in the Reply-To.)
To jump right to the premise: The default Fedora Server install is Way
Too Big(TM) and the minimal install (also available on the Fedora
Server install media) is also Too Big.
I
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