Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 06:28:53AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:19 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > escribió: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from

Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:19 PM Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > escribió: > > Hi, > > > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from a > > split "upstream"/"downstream" model into a single repo in src.fp.o. > > > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release (again)

2018-06-27 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El mié, 27-06-2018 a las 11:58 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek escribió: > Hi, > > I'd like to pick up the process of converting fedora-release from a > split "upstream"/"downstream" model into a single repo in src.fp.o. > > For previous discussions see > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archiv

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-06 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El mar, 05-12-2017 a las 07:31 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek escribió: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 12:49:48PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > > On Fr

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-04 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 12:49:48PM -0600, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-12-04 Thread Dennis Gilmore
El vie, 10-11-2017 a las 09:12 -0500, Neal Gompa escribió: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is ti

Re: streamlining fedora-release: decision needed

2017-11-21 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 07:32:09AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 03:44:49PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing > > proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, > > so

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-12 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Nov 09, 2017 at 03:44:49PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing > proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, > so I'm withdrawing that, but otherwise I didn't see disagreement. > > Updated proposal

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 09:12:33AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tie

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora >> > version and changes slowly, and it also contains

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 02:45:26PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > > systemd units, which change fairly often (a few

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > systemd units, which change fairly often (a few requests per month). Why not have a separate fedora-presets then? Jus

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2017-11-08 at 15:23 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > But why? _Any_ package can completely screw up the system with a bad > > scriplet or a dependency. Let's take one step back and consider why a > > package would need special protections: only when there's something > > _tricky_ about the

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-09 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
OK, it seems that everybody commented. The part about allowing proven packagers more freedom with the package was controversial, so I'm withdrawing that, but otherwise I didn't see disagreement. Updated proposal: 1. drop "upstream" at https://pagure.io/fedora-release (PR to add an obsoletion no

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 07:51:00PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:45 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:45 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >> wrote: > >>> We have such special protections for t

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 11/08/2017 07:13 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >>> We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox >>> (trademarks), >>> and for bo

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 8 November 2017 at 13:50, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zb

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 November 2017 at 13:50, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < >>> zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: >>> >>> >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < >> zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wro

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 05:58:13PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < > zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 10:53 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > But why? _Any_ package can completely screw up the system with

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 03:23:37PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 a

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> > wrote: >> > > I propose simplif

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox > > (trademarks), > > and for bootloaders (signing again), and some packages which don't consid

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > We have such special protections for the kernel (signing), firefox > (trademarks), > and for bootloaders (signing again), and some packages which don't consider > the fedora repo the canonical location for sources. > Hold the p

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Nov 08, 2017 at 02:05:12PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more > > > contributors:

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> wrote: >> > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more >> > contributors: >> > >> >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 8:43 AM Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > I propose simplifying this and opening fedora-release releases to more > > contributors: > > > > 1. Let's drop "upstream" at https://pagure.io/fedora-release and > >

Re: streamlining fedora-release

2017-11-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Hi fedora-release maintainers and fellow developers, > > The fedora-release package contains stuff that is tied to each Fedora > version and changes slowly, and it also contains the preset files for > systemd units, which change