On 05/27/2011 08:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> So, can we have updates included for upgrades then? (IMHO, this should be
> the default, or even better, required. Upgrading without updates enabled
> just won't work reliably.)
We'd certainly be willing to entertain a patch to enable the repo in case
On 05/28/2011 08:11 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> the key is that we don't test any kind of real-world configuration, with
>> anything other than default apps, actual user data in place and so on.
>
> And it shows. :-( My user account has been through many upgrades, and I've
On 30/05/11 18:13, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> I think this is kind of a case of 'the map is the territory'; yum will
> warn you about some problems it can detect pre-transaction,
But neither the DVD or Preupgrade will do so,
that is where a test would come in useful.
>
> Then there are problems
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 12:51 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 27/05/11 19:36, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>
> >> Huh? The release criteria say a "fully updated default installation".
> >
> > yeah, that's what I meant. install F(N-1) with all default options,
> > update, then run the upgrade.
> >
> > th
Adam Williamson wrote:
> the key is that we don't test any kind of real-world configuration, with
> anything other than default apps, actual user data in place and so on.
And it shows. :-( My user account has been through many upgrades, and I've
grown accustomed to having various problems that do
On 5/27/11 5:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> > There was also possibly some terrifyingly bad interaction with running
>> > multiple transactions for split media, but thankfully we've shed that
>> > beast of burden.
> So, can we have updates included for upgrades then? (IMHO, this should be
> the d
On 27/05/11 19:36, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The release criteria say a "fully updated default installation".
>
> yeah, that's what I meant. install F(N-1) with all default options,
> update, then run the upgrade.
>
> the key is that we don't test any kind of real-world configuration, with
On Sat, 2011-05-28 at 02:14 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > There was also possibly some terrifyingly bad interaction with running
> > multiple transactions for split media, but thankfully we've shed that
> > beast of burden.
>
> So, can we have updates included for upgrades then? (IMHO, this shou
Peter Jones wrote:
> It's possible you're remembering correctly, but I doubt it. The only
> issue that sounds similar to your hand-waving here, as I see it, is that
> we (by way of yum) will always choose the newest available package. This
> means if there's a higher version number on a package in
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 14:27 -0400, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 05/27/2011 02:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 18:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> >>> In the #fedora IRC channel I have seen 100 preupgrade failures for every
> >>> one DVD upgrade fail
On 05/27/2011 11:58 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> So the code routines exist, they are just not tied into that method.
>> Should be a straightforward patch, I look forward to seeing it from you.
>
> IIRC, when this originally came up, the Anaconda develope
On 05/27/2011 02:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 18:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
>>> In the #fedora IRC channel I have seen 100 preupgrade failures for every
>>> one DVD upgrade failure roughly, I have nicknamed it preFAILupgrade. So
>>> much so
On Fri, 2011-05-27 at 18:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> > In the #fedora IRC channel I have seen 100 preupgrade failures for every
> > one DVD upgrade failure roughly, I have nicknamed it preFAILupgrade. So
> > much so I already had a draft started and was a bit shocke
Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> In the #fedora IRC channel I have seen 100 preupgrade failures for every
> one DVD upgrade failure roughly, I have nicknamed it preFAILupgrade. So
> much so I already had a draft started and was a bit shocked to read it was
> a DVD upgrade failure... so as always YMMV.
On 05/27/2011 11:58 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> So the code routines exist, they are just not tied into that method.
>> Should be a straightforward patch, I look forward to seeing it from you.
>
> IIRC, when this originally came up, the Anaconda develope
On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote:
> So the code routines exist, they are just not tied into that method.
> Should be a straightforward patch, I look forward to seeing it from you.
IIRC, when this originally came up, the Anaconda developers said that it isn't
implemented because of some i
On 05/27/2011 11:17 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote:
>> Last time I looked, anaconda supported enabling the updates (and
>> updates-testing) repositories.
>
> Only for new installations, not for upgrades.
So the code routines exist, they are just not tied into
- "Kevin Kofler" wrote:
>
> The DVD does not include updates when doing the upgrade, which means
> it is
> fully expected that some packages will not be updated because they're
> newer
> in Fedora 14 updates than in Fedora 15 GA. Running "yum upgrade" or
> "yum
> distro-sync" after the D
On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote:
> Last time I looked, anaconda supported enabling the updates (and
> updates-testing) repositories.
Only for new installations, not for upgrades.
Kevin Kofler
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On 05/25/2011 11:43 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> I have been complaining about this brokenness for years, nobody cares about
> fixing it. So I can only recommend to never upgrade from the DVD.
And yet, I've never seen a patch from you on this topic.
Last time I looked, anaconda supported enabling t
Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:
> Upgraded from DVD.
>
> Just booted from DVD, chose the "install or upgrade" & then did default
> stuff.
The DVD does not include updates when doing the upgrade, which means it is
fully expected that some packages will not be updated because they're newer
in
Em 25-05-2011 10:42, Robert 'Bob' Jensen escreveu:
> - "Casimiro de Almeida Barreto" wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I upgraded my notebook from 14 to 15.
>>
>> Problems:
>>
>> 1st: it deleted network configurations.
>> 2nd: rpmdb was left quite messed. Several dependencies non satisfied.
>> As
>> this
- "Casimiro de Almeida Barreto" wrote:
> Yesterday I upgraded my notebook from 14 to 15.
>
> Problems:
>
> 1st: it deleted network configurations.
> 2nd: rpmdb was left quite messed. Several dependencies non satisfied.
> As
> this particular box was already upgraded from 13 to 14, there we
On 05/25/2011 06:56 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote:
> Yesterday I upgraded my notebook from 14 to 15.
If you have specific bugs, do report them in bugzilla. General feedback
should go into users list. Thanks
Rahul
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