On 16/11/16 18:30, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 11/15/2016 05:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 17:18 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
As an alternative, I wrote a program that takes the distribution of
trigrams from an English dictionary, and statistically generates a
Markov
On 11/15/2016 05:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 17:18 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
As an alternative, I wrote a program that takes the distribution of
trigrams from an English dictionary, and statistically generates a
Markov chain of such overlapping trigrams that look a
On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 17:18 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 11/15/2016 03:42 PM, Peter Oliver wrote:
> > I like this idea, but I wonder if the potential for confusion or even
> > offence is too high for it to be workable. I'm thinking
> > ofhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_
On 11/15/2016 03:42 PM, Peter Oliver wrote:
I like this idea, but I wonder if the potential for confusion or even offence
is too high for it to be workable. I'm thinking
ofhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case.
>we can swap these with colors or other words to make
> I am fighting against human unreadable names in hostnames (specifically in
> datacenters)
Hurrah!
> and I created a little tool [1] that generates human readable and memorizable
> names made
> out of frequently occurring given names and surnames from the 1990 US Census
I like this idea, but
On 14/11/16 14:05, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On 11/13/2016 02:01 PM, Ms Sanchez wrote:
To me, the default hostname should be fedora-xx. There are thousands if not
millions of computers using Fedora so it's quite anonymous.
I don't think copying Windows behaviour is a good idea, they aren't kno
> Thoughts on how to generate these random strings are of course up for
> discussion. Given that initial machine creation may have limited available
I am fighting against human unreadable names in hostnames (specifically in
datacenters) and I created a little tool [1] that generates human readabl
On 11/12/2016 12:03 AM, Glen Turner wrote:
>
>> RFC 2606[1] reserves several TLDs that may never be registered for
>> public usage. Out of those, going with
>> Fedora-.localhost
>> seems like the best bet.
>
> The *reason* localhost is a reserved name is to discourage its use in
> DNS na
On 11/13/2016 02:01 PM, Ms Sanchez wrote:
> To me, the default hostname should be fedora-xx. There are thousands if not
> millions of computers using Fedora so it's quite anonymous.
> I don't think copying Windows behaviour is a good idea, they aren't known for
> their security
>
Well, in or
On 11/11/16 15:50, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:13:48PM -, fred...@rambris.com wrote:
I like Fedora- for default hostname. If I don't care to set a hostname
it would be an ok hostname for my machine. I would however like if the hostname
setting wo
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> I'm not sure is it 100% correct, but my knowledge may be outdated.
> Both macOS and Ubuntu asks for first user during the installation.
> Then both suggest hostname, created by combining entered user name
> and form factor of machine being installed. Ubuntu even incorporate
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 03:33:10PM +1030, Glen Turner wrote:
> > RFC 2606[1] reserves several TLDs that may never be registered for
> > public usage. Out of those, going with
> > Fedora-.localhost
> > seems like the best bet.
>
> The *reason* localhost is a reserved name is to discourage
> RFC 2606[1] reserves several TLDs that may never be registered for
> public usage. Out of those, going with
> Fedora-.localhost
> seems like the best bet.
The *reason* localhost is a reserved name is to discourage its use in
DNS names. Your proposal is the opposite to that intended by
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:13:48PM -, fred...@rambris.com wrote:
> I like Fedora- for default hostname. If I don't care to set a
> hostname it would be an ok hostname for my machine. I would however like if
> the hostname setting would be more prominent in the installer. Possibly
> g
> For as long as I can recall, Fedora has shipped with a default hostname of
> "localhost.localdomain"[1]. This default was "safe" for a very long
> time because
> we also shipped an /etc/hosts entry that routed this hostname to the loopback
> device for the benefit of some older system services (l
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
>> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> > On 11/09/2016 01:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>> >> Having it CAPS doesn't sound very nice ...
>> >>
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:40:23 -0500
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 10 November 2016 at 12:11, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 09:58 -0700, stan wrote:
> >> Or am I missing something?
> >
> > How exactly are you planning to check for collisions with hosts that
> > are shu
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:02:20PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Other operating systems, notably security-focussed ones like ChromeOS,
> go the other way, and try to remove as many identifiers as possible
> that could be used to track users. In fact, at LPC we discussed even
> making /etc/mac
On 10 November 2016 at 15:06, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18:21AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On 10 November 2016 at 09:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> >
>> >>> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here are the items I would like
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:18:21AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 10 November 2016 at 09:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> >>> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
>
> Here are the items I would like to point out:
>
> 1. The TLD name should be something that DNS consider
On 10 November 2016 at 14:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 08.11.16 23:14, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> > > SUSE generate
On Tue, 08.11.16 23:14, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > SUSE generates a random name of the format linux-XX (I'm not sure how
>
On Tue, 08.11.16 16:49, Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) wrote:
> For as long as I can recall, Fedora has shipped with a default hostname of
> "localhost.localdomain"[1]. This default was "safe" for a very long time
> because
> we also shipped an /etc/hosts entry that routed this hostname
On 11/10/2016 8:45 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:17:20AM +0100, Theodore Papadopoulo wrote:
On 11/09/2016 02:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:25:58PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
If the hostname is non-constant, can we also arrange that, by
On 10 November 2016 at 12:11, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 09:58 -0700, stan wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:21:13 -0500
>> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>
>> > So in any case, what I am suggesting is that we make a semi-unique
>> > identifier. It is unique enough that you won't
On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 09:58 -0700, stan wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:21:13 -0500
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
> > So in any case, what I am suggesting is that we make a semi-unique
> > identifier. It is unique enough that you won't get a collision in some
> > 'target' space, but not so uniq
On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 11:21:13 -0500
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> So in any case, what I am suggesting is that we make a semi-unique
> identifier. It is unique enough that you won't get a collision in some
> 'target' space, but not so unique that it stands out like a black dot
> on a white shirt.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:17:20AM +0100, Theodore Papadopoulo wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 02:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:25:58PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> >> If the hostname is non-constant, can we also arrange that, by default,
> >> this hostname is never sent o
On 10 November 2016 at 10:31, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 10:18 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On 10 November 2016 at 09:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here are the items I would like to point out:
>>
>> 1. The TLD
On 11/10/2016 10:18 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 10 November 2016 at 09:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
>
> Here are the items I would like to point out:
>
> 1. The TLD name should be something that DNS considers a known unknown
>
On 10 November 2016 at 09:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
>>> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Here are the items I would like to point out:
1. The TLD name should be something that DNS considers a known unknown
name. With the fact that IANA is allowing top level domains of all
s
On 10/11/16 14:08, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
All lower case, please.
Lower case is the default everywhere in Unix, and the hostname also contains
an Internet related meaning, where only lower case is used.
Agree. I prefer lower cases in a hostname.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 09:01:42AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 11/10/2016 08:53 AM, Radek Vykydal wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 8.11.2016 22:49, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >> For as long as I can recall, Fedora has shipped with a default hostname of
> >> "localhost.localdomain"[1]. This default
On 11/10/2016 09:21 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
>> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> On 11/09/2016 01:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
Having it CAPS doesn't sound very nice ...
>>>
>>> Yeah
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 02:08:48PM +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On 11/09/2016 01:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>
> >> Having it CAPS doesn't sound very nice ...
> >>
> >
> > Yeah, that's fine. I was kind of copying off the windows approac
On 11/10/2016 08:53 AM, Radek Vykydal wrote:
>
>
> On 8.11.2016 22:49, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> For as long as I can recall, Fedora has shipped with a default hostname of
>> "localhost.localdomain"[1]. This default was "safe" for a very long time
>> because
>> we also shipped an /etc/hosts en
On 8.11.2016 22:49, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
For as long as I can recall, Fedora has shipped with a default hostname of
"localhost.localdomain"[1]. This default was "safe" for a very long time because
we also shipped an /etc/hosts entry that routed this hostname to the loopback
device for the b
On 11/09/2016 08:06 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 10:04 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> Speaking in "workstation" context, people might realize it is possible
>> to change, but they don't care. My computer is not my pet, I don't need
>> to name it, I couldn't care less. Honestly, it wo
On 11/09/2016 07:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 01:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> Having it CAPS doesn't sound very nice ...
>>
>
> Yeah, that's fine. I was kind of copying off the windows approach, but I
> really don't care at all whether we present it in lower-case or up
On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:17:20AM +0100, Theodore Papadopoulo wrote:
> Add a checkbox in nm so that users can state whether they are on a
> trusted network or not ??
We have something like this already in Firewall Zones. I think it would
be great to develop that further.
--
Matthew Miller
Fedo
On 11/09/2016 02:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:25:58PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>> If the hostname is non-constant, can we also arrange that, by default,
>> this hostname is never sent over the network? In particular, I think
>> that DHCP requests should *not* in
On Wed, Nov 09, 2016 at 01:44:25PM -0800, Japheth Cleaver wrote:
> If we really don't have a better, persistent, local name for a
> system at install time, then I don't see why reverting to
> /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 is horrible here. VG names should be
> human-readable and exist in a namespace; sh
I think Matthew is right. Maybe we could set a behaviour in Fedora
Server or Cloud and another in Fedora Workstation?
Just an idea, Sylvia
On 09/11/16 14:32, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:25:58PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
If the hostname is non-constant, can we als
On 11/9/2016 1:30 PM, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:58 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
Although this is true, one thing we could do is set a default hostname
that is static ("fedora" or similar is fine), and teach the utilities
used to
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 12:58 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
>
> On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > Although this is true, one thing we could do is set a default
hostname
> > > > that is static ("fedora" or similar is fine), and teach the
utilities
> >
On 11/09/2016 12:58 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> Although this is true, one thing we could do is set a default hostname
>> that is static ("fedora" or similar is fine), and teach the utilities
>> used to join an AD/IPA/etc.. domain to generate a new ra
On 11/09/2016 01:03 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> My proposal is that we should consider changing the default hostname
>> for Fedora 26 to be either FED-XXX or FEDORA-. The
>> former allows for a longer random s
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Mac OS X and Ubuntu both require the user to pick a machine name at install
> time
> explicitly. They do not autogenerate one at all.
Sort of. If you install using the example Ubuntu preseed file then by
default it will have "u
On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
Although this is true, one thing we could do is set a default hostname
that is static ("fedora" or similar is fine), and teach the utilities
used to join an AD/IPA/etc.. domain to generate a new random hostname if
they detect the hostname is the generic "
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:25:58PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> If the hostname is non-constant, can we also arrange that, by default,
> this hostname is never sent over the network? In particular, I think
> that DHCP requests should *not* include this hostname. We're already
> starting to r
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 08:13 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 23:05 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >> On 11/08/2016 06:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8
On 11/09/2016 08:02 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 23:05 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> On 11/08/2016 06:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On T
On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 10:04 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> Dne 9.11.2016 v 00:19 Neal Gompa napsal(a):
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Ste
On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 23:05 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 11/08/2016 06:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew
Dne 9.11.2016 v 00:19 Neal Gompa napsal(a):
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
SUSE generates a random name of the fo
On Tue, 2016-11-08 at 16:49 -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> My proposal is that we should consider changing the default hostname
> for Fedora 26 to be either FED-XXX or FEDORA-. The
> former allows for a longer random string and therefore lower risk of
> collision in large environ
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> Mac OS X and Ubuntu both require the user to pick a machine name at install
> time
> explicitly. They do not autogenerate one at all.
>
I'm not sure is it 100% correct, but my knowledge may be outdated.
Both macOS and Ubunt
On 11/08/2016 06:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthe
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500,
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> > SUSE generates a random name of
On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> > SUSE generates a random name of the format linux-XX (I'm not sure how
>> > many
>> >
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > SUSE generates a random name of the format linux-XX (I'm not sure how
> > many
> > My proposal is that we should consider changing the default hostname for
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> SUSE generates a random name of the format linux-XX (I'm not sure how many
> My proposal is that we should consider changing the default hostname for
> Fedora
> 26 to be either FED-XXX or FEDORA-. The former a
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