Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 07:13 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > A GUI program would not fix your problem. If os-prober isn't finding your > > CentOS install, a GUI boot manager wouldn't either. I suggest filing a bug > > and attaching the following; > > > > In fact when run grub2-mkconfig

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Jean François Martinez
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > > > It is refreshing to see I am not alone. Grub2 has the syndrome of > > "developpers becaming infatuated and not hiving a hoot about erfs err, I > > meant users". >

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > It is refreshing to see I am not alone. Grub2 has the syndrome of > "developpers becaming infatuated and not hiving a hoot about erfs err, I > meant users". In a sense, they're right, because they're making something that user

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-13 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 01/10/2014 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing >>> I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 15:21:16 -0700 Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after > installation Fedora was the only choice. > > Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. > Sort of. Problems: > 1) Fedora wa

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-12 Thread Jean François Martinez
Installer sees the partitions of other Linuxes. But when rebooting after installation Fedora was the only choice. Running grub2-mkconfig fixed it, ie other distribution became available. Sort of. Problems: 1) Fedora was the default and there is no easy way (that is without reading the 150+

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 14:30 +0100, Harald Hoyer wrote: > On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > > me it will be my main

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-09 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing > Grub

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-08 Thread Gene Czarcinski
On 01/07/2014 12:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I recalled that we'd had some kind of issue with the mkconfig/install ordering before while I was writing the patch, indeed, but I couldn't recall if it was mkconfig sometimes requiring install to ha

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-07 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I recalled that > we'd had some kind of issue with the mkconfig/install ordering before > while I was writing the patch, indeed, but I couldn't recall if it was > mkconfig sometimes requiring install to have been run, or the other way > around

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 00:43 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Lin

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > Centos 6 wasn't detected at install time. This is rather vague. Do you mean the installer doesn't see any of the CentOS partitions/LVs? Or CentOS isn't included as a grub menu item after installing Fedora 20? Chris Murphy -- deve

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Jean François Martinez
Centos 6 wasn't detected at install time. On Sun, 05 Jan 2014 22:52:35 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Jean François Martinez
I just want the option of grub installed in the boot partition instead of in the MBR. That is all. For now I want to keep it "subordinate". And I Don't doubt users of other distributions willing to give it a try will want it like that. Do you know how Microsoft did in order to get users movi

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-06 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:48 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I dunno, it's in there for the regular grub2 install so I kept it for > the 'non-install-install' I'm suggesting. Looks optional. Not created by grub anyway. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2013-01/msg00088.html > bootloade

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2014-01-06 at 00:43 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Lin

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 6, 2014, at 12:04 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: >>> I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last >>> thing I would want is a distribution

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:27 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > This is not the problem. THe problem is: a user of another distribution > will not want to touch Fedora with a ten foot pole pnce he discovers Fedora > messe up with his booter setup. And the parttitionner is equally bad. These

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-01-05 at 22:52 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 > > forces on me it will

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 23:32 +0100, Jean François Martinez wrote: > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last > thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 > forces on me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose > between install

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Jean François Martinez
This is not the problem. THe problem is: a user of another distribution will not want to touch Fedora with a ten foot pole pnce he discovers Fedora messe up with his booter setup. And the parttitionner is equally bad. These are two areas a distribution not only in the area of bugs but in the

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-05 Thread Gene Czarcinski
On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing Grub on th