On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 12:54:36 -0700
Chris Murphy <li...@colorremedies.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Jean François Martinez <jfm...@free.fr> wrote:
> > 
> > It is refreshing to see I am not alone.  Grub2 has the syndrome of 
> > "developpers becaming infatuated and not hiving a hoot about erfs err, I 
> > meant users".  
> 
> In a sense, they're right, because they're making something that users 
> shouldn't have to get involved in or be experts at. You're not going to get a 
> lot of warm fuzzies at that level. They're making something for the 
> distributions to leverage rather than everyone having their own free for all. 
> Boot is difficult to solve because users in F/OSS don't like being told their 
> use case is insane, and that there are maybe a handful of "best practices".
> 
> Fedora maybe should establish a booting committee to come up with sane best 
> practices and make recommendations to anaconda for what to build if it isn't 
> already built; to remove what's nutty; for docs to document alternatives that 
> aren't going to get development attention; and to QA for scope on testing so 
> they know how things are intended to work so they know what's a bug, how bad 
> it is, whether it's a blocker, etc. QA spends shitloads of time dealing with 
> boot related bugs and how things out to work.
> 
> It'd be nice if this could be coordinated with other distros but the reality 
> is they're still way too hungry for eating each other's young. So at best 
> maybe they get their own house in order.
> 
> > 
> >> Is this computer by any chance UEFI firmware based? Or is it BIOS? That 
> >> matters.
> >> 
> > 
> > BIOS.  GPT partitionning.
> 
> That should be rather straightforward, os-prober should find your other OS's 
> and add them to the grub menu. Are you using LUKS for CentOS? I remember 
> recently trying this during Fedora 20 testing where I installed Fedora 20 
> after CentOS in qemu-kvm and I did get a CentOS entry in the grub menu.
> 
> 
> > 
> > In fact I was hinting about the need of a boot configurator in Fedora.  If 
> > user had somethig in the menus named "Boot manager" then the subject would 
> > just be minor annoyance.  But now a user who doesn't know about Grub2 
> > intrincacies just sees he is trapped and there is no way to escape.
> 
> 
> A GUI program would not fix your problem. If os-prober isn't finding your 
> CentOS install, a GUI boot manager wouldn't either. I suggest filing a bug 
> and attaching the following;
> 

In fact when run grub2-mkconfig then os-prober finds other Linux 
ionstallations.  It is the installer that does not finds them.  
Perhaops it does not run os-prober or os-prober fails silently because
it lacks some file it needs or because mount of other partitions fails 
when run under the installer.

> existing grub.cfg
> grub2-install --debug /dev/sda   #this will reinstall GRUB, but produces very 
> verbose output that should be captured to a file and attached
> bash -x grub2-mkconfig     #this will show some light debug output for the 
> script that creates grub.cfg without overwriting the existing grub.cfg
> 
> The results from this script:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
> 
> Run that either in CentOS or Fedora. But whichever one you don't run it it, 
> also separately post the fstab for that system.
> 
> You can file the bug against os-prober for now as that's the most likely 
> culprit and then post the bug URL to this thread.
> 
> Chris Murphy
> 
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