Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-19 Thread Vít Ondruch
Thas a great plan Michael. Thank you. Vít Dne 15.3.2016 v 18:47 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a): > Using a side tag seems like a great idea. When folks are brave enough > to test rawhide for us, we should try to avoid breaking their > computers. :) > > A few arbitrary answers: > > On Tue, 2016-03-

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Michael Catanzaro
Using a side tag seems like a great idea. When folks are brave enough to test rawhide for us, we should try to avoid breaking their computers. :) A few arbitrary answers: On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 15:29 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > * Which packages should use this side tag? Let's start by includin

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 16:59, Peter Robinson wrote: > The same packaging and process as is being used for the 3.19.92 mega > update in the f24-gnome side tag. We only use side tags for the later updates (.90, .91, .92, and .0) which are supposed to be API stable. Richard -- devel mailing list devel

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 15 March 2016 at 15:09, Jared K. Smith wrote: >> Would you be willing to at least try it for a couple of iterations >> and see how it goes? > > Three questions: > > * Which packages should use this side tag? > * When *exactly* would we

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 13:06 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> So do you see any solution/improvement for this issue? I repeatedly >> reported the breakages, I made some proposals (as simple as "send an >> email"), which IMO should improve the si

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 13:06 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > So do you see any solution/improvement for this issue? I repeatedly > reported the breakages, I made some proposals (as simple as "send an > email"), which IMO should improve the situation, but it seems that > you > prefer to keep status quo.

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.3.2016 v 16:17 Debarshi Ray napsal(a): > On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:20:51AM +0100, V?t Ondruch wrote: >> IOW some of Gnome developers don't care about sonames, "because it is >> just development version". > I find your repeated use of phrases like "don't care" to be insulting. Sorry, I di

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 15:09, Jared K. Smith wrote: > Would you be willing to at least try it for a couple of iterations > and see how it goes? Three questions: * Which packages should use this side tag? * When *exactly* would we do the push from the side-tag to rawhide? * Who would test rawhide+s

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Debarshi Ray
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 10:20:51AM +0100, V?t Ondruch wrote: > IOW some of Gnome developers don't care about sonames, "because it is > just development version". I find your repeated use of phrases like "don't care" to be insulting. Cheers, Rishi pgpEt91WTzy99.pgp Description: PGP signature -- d

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > I think that would be even more confusing for projects that are not > quite core GNOME, e.g. NetworkManager needing a new glib. We'd have to > get any project depending on the core GNOME stuff to also build in the > side tag for the duratio

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
So do you see any solution/improvement for this issue? I repeatedly reported the breakages, I made some proposals (as simple as "send an email"), which IMO should improve the situation, but it seems that you prefer to keep status quo. Vít Dne 15.3.2016 v 11:18 Richard Hughes napsal(a): > On 15

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 10:00, Vít Ondruch wrote: > So lets say I am using Gnome 3.19.90. The 3.19.91 is released and you > start build, which takes some time (12h? 24h? 2 days? Have no idea). Building all the components in mclazy takes a couple of hours. The issue is that not all GNOME modules relea

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 15 March 2016 at 09:17, Vít Ondruch wrote: >>> I'm somewhat confused where the problem is. >> This is the problem: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CI57RU5TGQZFGVTUJKM6S6WU2NU4VION/ >

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.3.2016 v 10:24 Richard Hughes napsal(a): > On 15 March 2016 at 09:17, Vít Ondruch wrote: >>> I'm somewhat confused where the problem is. >> This is the problem: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CI57RU5TGQZFGVTUJKM6S6WU2NU4VION/ > This

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 09:17, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> I'm somewhat confused where the problem is. > This is the problem: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/CI57RU5TGQZFGVTUJKM6S6WU2NU4VION/ This isn't anything to do with the gnome-shell version being

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.3.2016 v 10:13 Richard Hughes napsal(a): > On 15 March 2016 at 09:06, Tom Hughes wrote: >> If bodhi is in use then you can bundle all the builds into one bodhi update >> to ensure that nobody gets a broken tree. > Why would people get a broken tree if there are no soname bumps? Because

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 15.3.2016 v 10:03 Richard Hughes napsal(a): > On 15 March 2016 at 08:53, Peter Robinson wrote: >> so it would be little extra effort for you to do that same for f25/rawhide. > I'm a bit confused where the problem is, at least my workflow is: > > * build latest release for rawhide This shoul

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 15/03/16 09:13, Richard Hughes wrote: On 15 March 2016 at 09:06, Tom Hughes wrote: If bodhi is in use then you can bundle all the builds into one bodhi update to ensure that nobody gets a broken tree. Why would people get a broken tree if there are no soname bumps? If there is a soname bu

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 09:06, Tom Hughes wrote: > If bodhi is in use then you can bundle all the builds into one bodhi update > to ensure that nobody gets a broken tree. Why would people get a broken tree if there are no soname bumps? If there is a soname bump mclazy won't touch it with a bargepole

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Tom Hughes
On 15/03/16 09:03, Richard Hughes wrote: I'm a bit confused where the problem is, at least my workflow is: * build latest release for rawhide * if gnome-3.19.*, cherry-pick to f24 * if we're using bohdi, build for f24-gnome, else build for f24 That last step is backwards surely? If bodhi is

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 08:53, Peter Robinson wrote: > so it would be little extra effort for you to do that same for f25/rawhide. I'm a bit confused where the problem is, at least my workflow is: * build latest release for rawhide * if gnome-3.19.*, cherry-pick to f24 * if we're using bohdi, build

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 15 March 2016 at 08:04, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> So will it be 3rd time in 3 months you are going to broke my >> Rawhide? > > I think using the F25 packages when F24 alpha hasn't even been > released is probably asking for trouble. Are we s

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Richard Hughes
On 15 March 2016 at 08:04, Vít Ondruch wrote: > So will it be 3rd time in 3 months you are going to broke my > Rawhide? I think using the F25 packages when F24 alpha hasn't even been released is probably asking for trouble. Are we supposed to be maintaining F22, F23, F24, *and* F25 at this point?

Re: GNOME 3.19.92 megaupdate

2016-03-15 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 14.3.2016 v 08:34 Kalev Lember napsal(a): > Hi all, > > It's GNOME 3.19.92 release this week. As we are deep in the Alpha freeze > in Fedora, this will stay in updates-testing for a while until the > freeze is lifted and floodgates open a again. > > We have koji side tag to collect all the bu