Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-13 Thread inode0
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Greetings. > > I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with > something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a > fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea and see if it can be beaten > into a plan/schedu

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2013 17:02, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> KDE favourites: >> For a spin (or formula) it makes sense that the favourites should >> reflect the spin (or formula) focus. The kickstart updates this >> through /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickoffrc and >> /etc/rc.d/init.d/live

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 January 2013 19:07, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:01:03 + > Ian Malone wrote: > >> KDE favourites: >> For a spin (or formula) it makes sense that the favourites should >> reflect the spin (or formula) focus. The kickstart updates this >> through /etc/skel/.kde/share/confi

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:01:03 + Ian Malone wrote: > Of course in trying to do that what we were really trying to do was > amend the defaults users would get on the installed system. Some of > this we were able to achieve through /etc/skel files, but that's a > non-scaling and fragile solution

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ian Malone wrote: > KDE favourites: > For a spin (or formula) it makes sense that the favourites should > reflect the spin (or formula) focus. The kickstart updates this > through /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/kickoffrc and > /etc/rc.d/init.d/livesys (on the live sytem the installer is a > favourite,

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 10 January 2013 23:51, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Brendan Jones wrote: >> The main problem we have with kickstarts at the moment is that there is >> no way (according to current packaging guidelines) to alter files owned >> by other packages. > > This is just plain impossible anyway (except for conf

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Brendan Jones wrote: > The main problem we have with kickstarts at the moment is that there is > no way (according to current packaging guidelines) to alter files owned > by other packages. This is just plain impossible anyway (except for config files in /etc), no matter what you do (i.e. not jus

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Pete Travis
On Jan 9, 2013 12:32 PM, "Nathanael D. Noblet" wrote: > > On 01/09/2013 12:26 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> One of the big questions to answer is distribution. I can see good arguments on the one hand distributing formulas via RPM and

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Bill Nottingham wrote: Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) said: One of the big questions to answer is distribution. I can see good arguments on the one hand distributing formulas via RPM and on the other having an official Git repository for them. Yep. I am torn her

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) said: > >>One of the big questions to answer is distribution. I can see good > >>arguments on the one hand distributing formulas via RPM and on the > >>other having an official Git repository for them. > > > >Yep. I am torn here too. rpms get us a lot, but ar

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 13:50:31 +0100 Brendan Jones wrote: > On 01/09/2013 01:27 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > > On 9 January 2013 12:23, Ian Malone wrote: > > > > > >> Down-sides, there'd no longer be a live-cd/dvd as a 'demo' system. > >> You could only try out the formula on an installed system. It >

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 01/09/2013 12:26 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Kevin Fenzi wrote: One of the big questions to answer is distribution. I can see good arguments on the one hand distributing formulas via RPM and on the other having an official Git repository for them. Yep. I am torn here too.

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013, Kevin Fenzi wrote: One of the big questions to answer is distribution. I can see good arguments on the one hand distributing formulas via RPM and on the other having an official Git repository for them. Yep. I am torn here too. rpms get us a lot, but are also inflexable

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 08:59:35 -0500 john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: Kevin Fenzi > > Thats not to say perhaps we couldn't think of a clever way to > > somehow generate images based on them, but it would probibly take > > some way to take an existing machine and make a live image from it. > >

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:18:55 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 01:15:29PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Setup a infrastructure/framework around a collection of ansible > > playbooks to allow our users to simply download a formula for what > > they want to do and have a curated

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 09 janvier 2013 à 09:24 -0500, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:36:06AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > >I'm not sure I understand the question, actually. Can you elaborate? > > So you want us in the QA community to go through basically a copy > > concept

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 08:20:58AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > From that response I gather it is something user setup/install after > installing Fedora basically you seem to be then just duplicating and > or trying to come up with a better app installer then already exists > is that the

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:36:06AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > >I'm not sure I understand the question, actually. Can you elaborate? > So you want us in the QA community to go through basically a copy > concept of puppets/chefs and QA any "Formula" that has been > submitted there? I di

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 05:15:02AM +0100, Brendan Jones wrote: > >no way (according to current packaging guidelines) to alter files owned > >by other packages. In the future we might like to choose different > >pulseaudio modules to load, ALSA config based on hardware etc. I don't > This is probabl

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 01:15:29PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Setup a infrastructure/framework around a collection of ansible > playbooks to allow our users to simply download a formula for what they > want to do and have a curated setup made for them using Fedora > packages. I think this is gre

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread John . Florian
> From: Kevin Fenzi > Thats not to say perhaps we couldn't think of a clever way to somehow > generate images based on them, but it would probibly take some way to > take an existing machine and make a live image from it. Not sure how > easy that is to do. I think that's quite straightforward, i

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Brendan Jones
On 01/09/2013 01:27 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 9 January 2013 12:23, Ian Malone wrote: Down-sides, there'd no longer be a live-cd/dvd as a 'demo' system. You could only try out the formula on an installed system. It looks though like people are already suggesting overlaying a formula somehow to

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2013 12:23, Ian Malone wrote: > Down-sides, there'd no longer be a live-cd/dvd as a 'demo' system. You > could only try out the formula on an installed system. It looks though > like people are already suggesting overlaying a formula somehow to > create traditional live images (pres

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2013 04:10, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 01/08/2013 09:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> Greetings. >> >> I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with >> something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a >> fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/09/2013 04:34 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:18:36 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:35PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/08/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, what do folks think? Workable? Crazy? Crazy enough to work? And we are s

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/09/2013 12:18 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:35PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/08/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, what do folks think? Workable? Crazy? Crazy enough to work? And we are supposed to QA this how? Like any software? I'm not sur

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:18:36 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:35PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: > > On 01/08/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >So, what do folks think? Workable? Crazy? Crazy enough to work? > > And we are supposed to QA this how? > > Lik

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 16:18:56 -0800 Mahrud S wrote: > I know that Slax Linux used to have this feature. You could just > choose the modules that you want on the website and download a custom > live iso with those packages! But that feature is disabled > now, perhaps because they use a new module sy

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Brendan Jones
On 01/09/2013 05:10 AM, Brendan Jones wrote: On 01/08/2013 09:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea and see if it can

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Brendan Jones
On 01/08/2013 09:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea and see if it can be beaten into a plan/schedule/feature, or if

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Mahrud S
update: definitely works. It's pretty neat to have a live usb with the exact programs that you like ready in your pocket! How can you create an iso on the fly that fast?! On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Mahrud S wrote: > I know that Slax Linux used to have this feature. You could just choose > t

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Mahrud S
I know that Slax Linux used to have this feature. You could just choose the modules that you want on the website and download a custom live iso with those packages! But that feature is disabled now, perhaps because they use a new module system now. Ah, here: http://old.slax.org/build.php I'm not s

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:17:35PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/08/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >So, what do folks think? Workable? Crazy? Crazy enough to work? > And we are supposed to QA this how? Like any software? I'm not sure I understand the question, actually. Can

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/08/2013 08:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, what do folks think? Workable? Crazy? Crazy enough to work? And we are supposed to QA this how? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Feedback wanted: Fedora Formulas

2013-01-08 Thread John . Florian
> From: Kevin Fenzi > > Greetings. > > I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with > something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a > fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea and see if it can be beaten > into a plan/schedule/feature, or if it's not