Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Jun 21, 2014 12:26 PM, "Rahul Sundaram" wrote: > > Hi > > > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> what you or i prefer don't matter > > > Sure it does. Otherwise you would not insist that your perspective is the only right one and everyone else who has a different per

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 06/20/2014 09:10 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: Dnf doesn't know anything about your network connection and I'm not even sure it should ... I can imagine a high level orchestration tool for the entire system to do stuff like this but that's out of our scope. I just filed NetworkManager RFE RFE: add a

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Hi On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > what you or i prefer don't matter > Sure it does. Otherwise you would not insist that your perspective is the only right one and everyone else who has a different perspective is always "wrong" in any such discussion. > the ordinar

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: > Also for years Debian supplies short update 'diffs' - so user doesn't have > to download multiple MB sized files - just couple short small files - again > something much nicer then running a daemon to download tens of MB on > background dai

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 21.06.2014 03:03, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: On 20.06.2014 17:55, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: i

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 17:20, schrieb drago01: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't >>> have to fix anyt

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't >> have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are >>

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 16:42, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't > have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are > the ones with the slow WAN and the ones with fast internet

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

HI On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > stop the automatic bandwidth wasting at all and you don't > have to fix anything - don't you realize that this 50% are > the ones with the slow WAN and the ones with fast internet > don't need prefetch of metadata at all? > Even if I ha

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 21.06.2014 03:03, schrieb Dan Williams: > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: >> This is super duper, however if wwan is on the router as Ranhald wrote, you >> can only click your heels three times and repeat, "There's no place like >> home." > > Certainly. But that doesn't mean

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 23:27 +0200, poma wrote: > On 20.06.2014 17:55, Dan Williams wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > >> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > >>> wrote: > > if *that

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20.06.2014 17:55, Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie This is not the only th

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 08:55 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: > >> > >> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > > > > > > This is not the only thing that DNF doe

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Dne 20.6.2014 15:52, Chuck Anderson napsal(a): On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 02:39:25PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: On 20.06.2014 14:11, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.06.2014 14:04, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore mailto:den...@ausil.us>> wrote: In

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 02:39:25PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 20.06.2014 14:11, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 20.06.2014 14:04, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: > >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore >> > wrote: > >> > >> In testing dnf on rawhide I

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20.06.2014 14:11, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 20.06.2014 14:04, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore > > wrote: >> >> In testing dnf on rawhide I nearly always do "dnf clean metadata && dnf >> update" purely because I found most

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 14:04, schrieb Tim Lauridsen: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > > In testing dnf on rawhide I nearly always do "dnf clean metadata && dnf > update" purely because I found most of > the time dnfs metadata was out of date. T

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > In testing dnf on rawhide I nearly always do "dnf clean metadata && dnf > update" purely because I found most of the time dnfs metadata was out of > date. To me dnf fetching the metadata behind the scenes just doesn't work > right. But I'm

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 13:13, schrieb drago01: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> your whole machine has no idea about your WAN connection > > As he said there is a NM API but it is indeed somehow limited as the > example you mentioned shows also it (currently) won't work for

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 13:04, schrieb Mat Booth: > On 20 June 2014 11:50, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > Am 20.06.2014 12:36, schrieb Mat Booth: > > On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald > > > how should it do that? > >

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: >> On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald > > wrote: >> >> Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01: >> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith >> > m

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20 June 2014 12:04, Mat Booth wrote: > On 20 June 2014 11:50, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> >> >> Am 20.06.2014 12:36, schrieb Mat Booth: >> > On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald > h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: >> > > On 20 Ju

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20 June 2014 11:50, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.06.2014 12:36, schrieb Mat Booth: > > On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: > > > On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 12:36, schrieb Mat Booth: > On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > > > Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: > > On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald >

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20. 6. 2014 at 12:29:32, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 20.06.2014 12:23, schrieb Jan Zelený: > > On 20. 6. 2014 at 11:22:15, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> Am 20.06.2014 09:11, schrieb Jan Zelený: > >>> On 19. 6. 2014 at 14:24:39, Jon wrote: > > and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20 June 2014 11:19, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: > > On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote: > > > > Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01: > > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > > > mailto:jsm...@f

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 12:23, schrieb Jan Zelený: > On 20. 6. 2014 at 11:22:15, Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 20.06.2014 09:11, schrieb Jan Zelený: >>> On 19. 6. 2014 at 14:24:39, Jon wrote: > and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide VM but had > *two times* today by type "dnf whatever"

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20. 6. 2014 at 11:22:15, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 20.06.2014 09:11, schrieb Jan Zelený: > > On 19. 6. 2014 at 14:24:39, Jon wrote: > >>> and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide VM but had > >>> *two times* today by type "dnf whatever" the "there is already an > >>> instance, wat

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 11:57, schrieb Mat Booth: > On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01: > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > > mailto:jsm...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 19,

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20 June 2014 10:19, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01: > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > >> wrote: > >> Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum > >>

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 09:11, schrieb Jan Zelený: > On 19. 6. 2014 at 14:24:39, Jon wrote: >>> and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide VM but had >>> *two times* today by type "dnf whatever" the "there is already an >>> instance, wating for PID..." nonsense caused by the background >>> meta

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 20.06.2014 08:55, schrieb drago01: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >> Whether you like it or not, one of the most common complaints about yum >> (especially from people coming from another package managemen

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

> > the "failed to load plugin copr" is also just a bug > > In that case please file it here: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora It is already filed and a fix is on the way: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1104088 Thanks Jan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:55 AM, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> >>> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie >> >> >> This is not the only thing that DNF does differ

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 19. 6. 2014 at 14:24:39, Jon wrote: > > and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide VM but had > > *two times* today by type "dnf whatever" the "there is already an > > instance, wating for PID..." nonsense caused by the background > > metadata refresh > > > > do you *really* think

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 20. 6. 2014 at 08:55:18, drago01 wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith > > wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > > > > wrote: > >> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > > > > This is not the only thing that DNF does diffe

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> >> if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > > > This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make package > installations and updates go

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 8:33 PM, J. Randall Owens < jrowens.fed...@ghiapet.net> wrote: > On a bit of a tangent, per the current yum-3.4.3 man page: > >upgrade > > Is the same as the update command with the --obsoletes > flag set. > > See update for more details.

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 06/19/2014 03:42 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > FYI... update is a deprecated alias for the "upgrade" command​, and has > been for a couple of years. Don't know when they're going to phase it > out, but probably a good idea to switch over to get used to it. On a bit of a tangent, per the current y

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

FYI... update is a deprecated alias for the "upgrade" command​, and has been for a couple of years. Don't know when they're going to phase it out, but probably a good idea to switch over to get used to it. Also, to make the changes more permanent, add the following lines to /etc/dnf/dnf.conf meta

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Adding > alias Update='sudo dnf --refresh update' to your .bashrc will safe you that bit of typing every time you want to do an update ;) -- Regards, Heiko Adams Am Donnerstag, den 19.06.2014, 16:35 -0400 schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 01:47:27PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrot

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 01:47:27PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > In testing dnf on rawhide I nearly always do "dnf clean metadata && dnf > update" purely because I found most of the time dnfs metadata was out of > date. To me dnf fetching the metadata behind the scenes just doesn't work > right. B

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

> and BTW i am not playing around that much on my Rawhide VM but had > *two times* today by type "dnf whatever" the "there is already an > instance, wating for PID..." nonsense caused by the background > metadata refresh > > do you *really* think that's a good user-expierience? > No, that is unfor

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 19.06.2014 21:09, schrieb Reindl Harald: > Am 19.06.2014 20:59, schrieb Jared K. Smith: >> Sure, but you have to understand -- you're a power user. You know enough to >> do this in yum for your particular use >> case, which means you probably know enough to change the DNF settings with >> r

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 19.06.2014 20:59, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > > This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make package > inst

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > if *that* is what is supposed to make DNF faster it's just a lie > This is not the only thing that DNF does differently to try to make package installations and updates go faster (or appear to go faster). Calling the developers liers doesn

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

In testing dnf on rawhide I nearly always do "dnf clean metadata && dnf update" purely because I found most of the time dnfs metadata was out of date. To me dnf fetching the metadata behind the scenes just doesn't work right. But I'm not sure that me or rawhide fits into the experience dnf is tr

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

Am 19.06.2014 19:57, schrieb Jon: > On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: >> that's not the question >> the question is why such traffic wasting *defaults* >> > > I might be way off base here, but in an effort to make DNF go faster > compared to YUM, the idea was made to hav

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On 06/19/2014 07:14 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: why does DNF refresh metadata in background? To quote Aleš Kozumplík from [a previous mail]: | majority of people appreciates having the metadata handy and only a minority worries about the traffic. [a previous mail] https://lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > that's not the question > the question is why such traffic wasting *defaults* > I might be way off base here, but in an effort to make DNF go faster compared to YUM, the idea was made to have it pre-fetch metadata ahead of time, so when DNF

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

You might want to review: http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/user_faq.html It contains information on how to disable the automatic metadata updates... On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > why does DNF refresh metadata in background? > > that has no benefit, increases network tra

Re: DNF: why does it refresh metadata all the time

that's not the question the question is why such traffic wasting *defaults* Am 19.06.2014 19:40, schrieb Gerald B. Cox: > You might want to review: > http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/user_faq.html > > It contains information on how to disable the automatic metadata updates... > > > On Thu, Jun 19,