On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 10:17 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
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> We use fedora-obsolete-packages to remove packages from end-user systems.
> Users can opt-out of installation of fedora-obsolete-packages and retain
> packages that would be obsoleted [*].
>
> The same mechanism could be used
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 09:02:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:56 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 08:45:49AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 21. 08.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:56 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 08:45:49AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > >
> > > On 21. 08. 20 10:07, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > >> Josh listed some of the ke
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 08:45:49AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > On 21. 08. 20 10:07, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > >> Josh listed some of the key reasons behind default streams: that
> > >> enterprise customers don't like to
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 1:57 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 21. 08. 20 10:07, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >> Josh listed some of the key reasons behind default streams: that
> >> enterprise customers don't like to learn new commands. So default
> >> streams allowed us to package content wi
Dne 20. 08. 20 v 20:17 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
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> However, ELN has a mission to be a bridge to future RHEL and that
> distribution has committed to default streams as a business necessity
> for multiple reasons (among them support lifecycle which is much
> harder to address via non-modular c
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 07:55:57PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 21. 08. 20 10:07, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > Josh listed some of the key reasons behind default streams: that
> > > enterprise customers don't like to learn new commands. So default
> > > streams allowed us to package
On 21. 08. 20 10:07, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Josh listed some of the key reasons behind default streams: that
enterprise customers don't like to learn new commands. So default
streams allowed us to package content with shorter-than-RHEL-lifetime
and still `yum install foo` would instal
On 21. 08. 20 16:38, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 9:41 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
I want a policy for Fedora (and I see ELN as part of Fedora) that says: "Default
streams are not allowed."
We already have that policy. In the IRC meeting line you quoted I expressed my
feeling th
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 9:41 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> I want a policy for Fedora (and I see ELN as part of Fedora) that says:
> "Default
> streams are not allowed."
>
> We already have that policy. In the IRC meeting line you quoted I expressed my
> feeling that the policy also applies (and shoul
On 21. 08. 20 15:29, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:08 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 20. 08. 20 20:17, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Yet despite all this, we got a proposal to allow default modular streams in ELN.
The messaging about this proposal suggests that later, default modul
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:08 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 20. 08. 20 20:17, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >> Yet despite all this, we got a proposal to allow default modular streams
> >> in ELN.
> >> The messaging about this proposal suggests that later, default modular
> >> streams
> >> might be
On 20. 08. 20 20:17, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
Yet despite all this, we got a proposal to allow default modular streams in ELN.
The messaging about this proposal suggests that later, default modular streams
might be proposed for Fedora as well.
It was written that way*at your request*. You speci
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 02:17:09PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > On 05. 08. 20 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
> > > Fedora development list for discussion. Fe
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 2:18 PM Stephen Gallagher
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >
> > On 05. 08. 20 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
... snip
> >
> > I sincerely don't understand the RHEL's need for default modular
> streams, but
> > when I tried to query the m
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM Miro Hrončok wrote:
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> On 05. 08. 20 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
> > Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
> >
> > == Requirements for Default Streams
> > * Default
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 16:45:15 +0200
Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Fedora has experimented with default modular streams for several
> releases and we seemed to be at an agreement that the experiment has
> failed:
>
> See https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2406 which includes links to
> relevant previous discuss
On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:36:53 -0400
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> = Policies Regarding Modules in Fedora, Fedora ELN and EPEL
I find that all the discussion of non-ELN Fedora and EPEL distract
from the subject of ELN. The proposal would be clearer if it
restricted itself to ELN and left non-ELN fedo
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 05. 08. 20 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
> > Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
> >
> > == Requirements for Default Streams
> > * Default
On 05. 08. 20 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
== Requirements for Default Streams
* Default streams are not permitted in Fedora or EPEL 8. Fedora ELN
permits defaults
On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 10:50:59PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 6:17 PM James Cassell
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > * If a stream of a module has build-time-only components, all such
> > > components *MUST* be marked as
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 6:17 PM James Cassell
wrote:
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> As general feedback, the footnotes make it hard to read the rendered version
> of the document, forcing me to scroll up and down.
>
Well, the idea is that the footnotes are additional information
providing justification for the policy. You
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 5:38 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
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> Hi, Stephen.
>
> On Wednesday, 05 August 2020 at 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
> > Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
>
> [.
As general feedback, the footnotes make it hard to read the rendered version of
the document, forcing me to scroll up and down.
More comments below.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> * If a stream of a module has build-time-only components, all such
> components *MUST*
Hi, Stephen.
On Wednesday, 05 August 2020 at 21:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
> Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
[...]
> * The default stream of a module *MUST NOT* change to a different
> stream wit
FESCo has requested that I submit the module policy once more to the
Fedora development list for discussion. Feedback is welcome.
Plainext (asciidoc) below, much more readable HTML at
https://sgallagh.fedorapeople.org/docs/modularity/modularity/policies/
= Policies Regarding Modules in Fedora,
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